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“Is there a pre-stage required in life to start seeking Enlightenment ?” Forgetting = Life.

What if there actually is no objective relative reality? What would that mean, relative to aliens?

@Serotoninluv nice! A broad stroke might be that orange is focused on their own situation, head down - ‘getting ahead’, ‘making their mark’, moving beyond / transcending the blue pack - then once they have, doing the self discovery that blue doesn’t realize is possible yet, - then they lift their head up so to speak and start to apply focus to other than themself, the world and society, because they’ve seen part of blue is heavy ideologies & nationalities, etc. They’re inclined to spread awareness about this, which is green. Or another view, blue isn’t satisfied with ‘falling in line’, with blue consciousness, “there must be more” - so the orange adventure begins. Once they’ve become their own orange hero, they start to feel inclined to give & share, to help others. In this way, green is more developed as orange see’s more ‘every man for himself’, and green see’s some futility in that, as ‘we’re all in this together.

@ivankiss Luv ya brother.

Dang, I put too much Wu in it.

@Aaron p ??❤️ Awesome. I’m playin too. I just want ya to discover that love that slaps the words right outta the mouth. I suppose I want everyone to know. ???❤️

@ivankiss Very fun. ?? Imagine super easy oodles of loving just-a-walk-in-the-park effortless contemplation that leads to a paralyzing Truth more horrific than anything humans could ever imagine. It seems we have the opposite situation though. Thank God, right? Light & dark is a duality too. ❤️

@Serotoninluv yes! ???

@Serotoninluv Or a Wuuthie.

@Gneh Onebar Interesting question. Also, it can be extracted to liquid by boiling, Would continuing to boil remove almost all of the water? I would not ‘just try it’ to find out btw. Substances are definitly not all received the same by different orifices.

@Gligorije The answer is the relativity to your own meaning for “more developed”.

This is what’s within? This profanity, this sexual enuendo, this “#reg like”? Keep going.

Or when you already know every word is bs. It makes it much easier to identify and discard what is not even relative (over thinking).

If there is The One, and then a second one (the ego), then The One is not The One. The “ It “ perspective still divides. Can finite be included in infinite? Yes, you are doing this now, by asking. The paradox is you must ask, until you honestly know. What is the nature of something which once understood, was never really there? You could know 3 dimensions from experiencing 2 or 4. Or possibly any number, but 3. (Relativity) You could know there is time, by directly experiencing no time. ”Hollow be thy name” Point to this coding, or decoding, or perception of it for that matter. The cat is not the one. The cat is the one. Ask Schrodinger. To know movement as reality, requires knowing no movement. The ego feels nothing, and nothing feels the ego. This is zooming in, contemplation. Then, zoom out; fun, your highest bliss, alignment in truest desire, fun. Forget the entire contemplation.

@Shin A.05. How much they are sold for together is inconsequential / unrelative. B. Yes. It’s yes wether Lea is married or not. It’s a matter of which ‘looker’.

@Anton Rogachevski What is meant by self control? Who’s controlling, who is being controlled? What processes are directly experienced to support this “division”? Are you one Anton or two Anton? What about avenues of opening up the mind as to what the reality all around you is (to step away from concept), such as quantum mechanics, and or teachers like Bashar, Abaraham Hicks, Jane Roberts, The Law of One, etc? Their teaching’s are nonduality, or, that each is their own reality - keep in mind, only you are hearing what is said. About 1 in 100 people actually comprehend what they are saying, and I have a hunch it might pair with where you’re at quite well. If they sound foreign to you, or “out there”, that might be an indication they’re exactly what is needed at this point in opening the mind up.

Hi, welcome to the forum. There’s no assertion, “requirements” are a meaning you hold; in actuality, it’s always been and is, up to you. Wether you believe what any one person says, is always up to you. A speech course, like Toast Masters, etc, might be a fun way to develop public speaking with others in the same boat. Yes, forget about ‘enlightenment’ and be honest internally to expand understanding of conditioning / mental patterns, understanding emotional reaction, etc. Later, these won’t appear as two different things, but it appears your current definitions reflect meaning for enlightenment which is not helping. Doing proper self inquiry will bring these facets into the light of awareness. Have you considered the Life Purpose course? Sounds like a good fit / good timing. All of these avenues will be, and already are, culminating in unison together, eventually resulting in self actualization. Watch for the trap of “I should develop myself before X”. Often, but not always, X is the very thing you need to do for the “development”, or breakthrough. You can face a fear to transcend it, and you can also self inquiry, uprooting it, and transcending it. Also, look for the distinction between developing what you actually are, vs learning, practicing, and getting experience, enhancing this life / experience / perspective. What you are can not be developed as you are already whole and complete, and have never been separate from anything. There is always room to learn and master what you’re doing in life.

@Pouya Yes, there is a point everything must be dropped. Every thing. Then a lasting all encompassing recontextualization occurs.

A flashlight is believing it is it’s light on the wall. How can the flashlight know it is the flashlight? There’s nothing to remember, it is natural to breathe and let thought go! On Krypton, Superman is nothing special, on earth he is a superhero. In a world of overthinkers, the stomach breather is unbound, limitless, and appears as “more”, but in actuality, is far far less, whole, fullfilled; satisfied in being. Has awareness, not the thought “awareness”, been present in meditations yet? Is Love known? Is Love known more deeply within you than any thought could touch? Is even single thought needed, really? Will it bring you closer to Love, honestly? Wouldn’t you need to limit Love to see it, to hear it? Is Love omnipresent and limitless, regardless of thought? Do you already know the infinite nature of Love? Has it not purified your doubt & fear when you have surrendered to it? Is it not your home? Unseen, unheard; as it IS - without limit, it IS everywhere & everything, it IS the connection of everywhere & everything & everyone, always, allowing you. It rests eternally. It will wait even beyond this life, it has no reason to infringe, to impose limit, to undermine for any limelight ; it knows itself as infinite. How are you missing the love for the lamp? Has it not been dark enough for you yet? How are you missing your love for alignment? Have you not suffered enough yet? Because you’ve been thinking depreciating thoughts of self. Those are just thoughts, untrue & wrong. Let those go now. Now, is when you begin loving. In an illusion of pieces, you can never find the whole. You must let go. You are the whole. Your infinitude is so loving, I would not put it past you to create a universe and appear within it, as Ivan. Oh ya? How do you know that is true? See the counterintuitive; no power is needed, nothing to resist, thoughts are not yours. Millions of people exit The Tretyakov, without claiming it as theirs. Such are thoughts. They are of the museum, not of the admirers. The work is letting go. What is a somebody, what is a nobody - what would you even need such answers for? Will they take you somewhere else? Do you think there is somewhere more beautiful than being Ivan? Look at your hand. You can explain nothing! You can’t explain nothing! You can’t explain the first thing about how that is possible. Yet, you get to be it! Perhaps the magnitude of a miracle is that it appears ordinary. But the moment you stop taking it all for granted. Now. Do you create at all? Decide, Ivan. If you did not know English, nor me Russian, it would be really hard to come to know each other. Look at creating as a language. A nice way to wake up, is to make your dreams come true.

You’re in the middle, the confusion, like static between radio stations. This is good, all is well. You made a trap of: If there is “them”, everything is ok. If there is not “them”, everything is not ok. The brain does that “duality”. The heart doesn’t care about duality, rather, it wants only to know, to experience, and to express love more deeply. Just look around the room, and have a good laugh when you notice this is just thinking, and you are fine ‘either way’. Practices will certainly expedite through the middle. Inquire into it, learn from it - when it doesn’t feel good, notice it’s your thinking, you’re applying duality, dividing, separating. Find perspectives of unity, harmony, inclusion. When a ‘concern’ arises, when life gives you lemons, when situations ‘blow up’, that is the call for your self discovery, your expansion. There is nothing sweeter nor more satisfying than the experiencing of rising to that challenge, that calling. Except, maybe, the knowing that such challenges in life are the means to the greatness of life experience - when the come. You know? Being in the storm, knowing you are the calm, appreciating the storm.

@Charlotte Nice! Food is mood, mood is thoughts, thoughts are choice, ...choice of food. Important cycle to be aware of. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/09/your-gut-directly-connected-your-brain-newly-discovered-neuron-circuit

Totally loving where you’re at with these questions. You’ve been rockin the contemplation.

@Ampresus Nice. Even if you do give it purpose, still. ?

@andyjohnsonman Believing and attaching to thoughts, awareness convinces itself there is a separate being, so there then is automatically an illusion of other than you. With only the emptiness, it is clear there never was either. The emptiness is often first experienced as the ‘space inbetween the thoughts’, with attention kept on stomach breathing; deeply in meditation and as a practice 24/7 - instead of unconscious involuntarily lung breathing & over thinking. Practices! Because thinking will not resolve / transcend thinking. Thinking will merely convince awareness that you have transcended thinking, so there’s still a ‘you’, thinking, in actuality, rather than awareness of actuality (awareness / being). Are you aware yet thought is linear - one at a time? Why would this be the case, that not one of us can hold two thoughts at the same time? (Should arouse suspicion at the least, no?) Can you see how there is no such thing as a new thought? &. That there is no such thing as a thing? If there are no things, is there a calling for thoughts? What are words, without thought? Does meaning remain, or cease? What are words, without meaning? Does thinking cease? What is the first, absolute word, which all other words are based on? What is the first, absolute thought, which all other thoughts are based on? How do you make a spoon disappear with your mind? When being appears. If there is “no direct experience because all experience is conditioned by past experience”; which are you actually experiencing in your direct awareness right now, “past conditioning”, or a thought about there being past conditioning, right now?

@Ampresus Read them now, and then again every two years or so. It really reveals how perspective has expanded, which later on I think you’ll agree, is very valuable in self realization.