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@tashawoodfall You’ll never be able to enjoy it. So that motive won’t work. That’s why there is nothing to give.

@Emerald You can do this tomorrow morning. Get a good night’s sleep, wake up and meditate, returning your focus to stomach breathing, over and over. You know that is the work to be done. Wether you entertain 1 more thought, or 1 million more thoughts, before doing this work, that’s up to you. When I was there I had a family & I was the only income producer (wife at home with 2 babies). I had to be at work at 9am. So I got up at 4am, for many months, instead of 7am. Eventually you will not have thoughts. Consider how in holding a problem, inherent;y, the solution will seem foreign. Thought will discredit everything to perpetuate more thinking. Effort & desire, and human will are much stronger than thought, especially when you consider what you’re up against is one thought, not all of them, just the one. If you can’t pinpoint why it is you don’t care for me, this could be it.

@SuchIsLife Notice a thought in the direction of what you want, and notice a self defeating thought, which pulls you towards unwanted. Apply aware you’re doing this. Awareness alone is curative. Consider, “why would I think about myself, and my forthcoming life, in a way that doesn’t feel good - to me?” It is a ridiculous thing to do, no?

@MM1988 When you’ve had enough of your self imposed suffering, you’ll start to make changes. The littlest change, changes the entire trajectory. But no one can suffer enough for you. By self imposed, I mean; sleep, diet, exercise, meditation, yoga, how you think & talk to yourself & others. Soon, it will just click, that you are choosing to do the things which make you suffer. Then you’ll start making different choices.

How did you do that? What did you find, ultimately?

@Shakazulu Could you imagine something which looks like things on earth?

@non_nothing @Jack RiverWhat would you say enlightenment is? (This thing you advise against seeking).

“Ox” represents something which is unimaginable. You could read a thousand books about it, but when you see it, It’s as if you never heard about it once.

@Genghis Khan Really happy for you. Sounds like you lost things most would be happy to lose. What do you mean by the responsibility, what about that is giving you trouble?

What do you really want? What’s the ‘right direction’ look like to you?

@Gligorije Honest & whole / complete clarity in distinction between belief / thought & the actuality of your own, ordinary, experience. That’s it. Aka enlightenment, or at the least, a very close precursor.

@Serotoninluv That’s the sweetest thing I’ve heard in a while man. ????❤️ God bless the teachers, seriously.

@Arthur Me too. I see there are some masters, of masters, of marketing. We’ll see though. Maybe.

@Mikael89 Yes. You?

@Mikael89 That reality is subjective, and you aren’t aware of that, is exactly what would prevent that. ❤️

@Anton Rogachevski Ok, I hear you. After around 20 years of meditation, one misc day, sat down to meditate and boom, no self happened in an instant - I was a blubbering blissful fool for a week, and was never that previous ‘guy’ again. My eyes were opened, I was all ears - spirituality was real. Reality, life, was so much different, so clear, so connected - I had to know and experience everything there was to this spirituality once that happened. So I researched quantum physics, religions, etc, etc..then I came accross Leo on Youtube. Then this forum. I read about psychedelics. I had no idea man. Hugely eye opening for me. I had tried a little shrooms 20 years prior, basically as a kid, I had no idea there was a connection to spirituality. I had thought of them as just another ‘drug’. But I listened, and I got it though, and started the adventure. About 15 - 20 incrementally wise, diligently prepared trips later - BOOOOOM - first nondual seeing. Saw what I am. The actual Self, The One. Actual Reality. Infinity. No one could have told me what psychedelics really were. No one could have told me what I really am. Never would I have had any understanding of what the word “enlightenment” was actually pointing to. Never. No chance whatsoever. I thought it was ‘something about the buddha’, cause he was wise & giving. Lol. TLDR: Psychedelics. asap. Responsibly. Do not spend 20 years only meditating like I did. Why, is not communicable. You’ll only know “why”, after. You are more than ready. Fear, self doubt, any sense of lack, over thinking, anxiety, depresssion - suffering: gone. I don’t remember them.

Music is poetry & melody.

If there’s an objective alien, then subjectively, to the alien, you are an alien. But then if you’re an alien, then obviously aliens exist. Unless of course, “exist” is entirely subjective. If reality is subjective, are there ‘other’ animals, humans, etc? Wouldn’t an ‘other’, whatever it is, require reality to be objective? If reality is subjective, it’s really not “reality” anymore. It’s you. If it’s entirely subjective, then it is only subjective, to you. This would mean everything seen & heard, is somehow you. But if everything seen & heard is you, then you must not only be a person, as it seems. But if you’re not a person, because reality is subjective, you’d have to be everything seen & heard. But if you’re everything, to experience every thing, you would have to be no thing, which of course means there would have to be no thing. If there’s no thing, then what is seen & heard? @Strikr Could pure magic even be a belief though? Isn’t it the same as “I don’t know”, or “I can’t know”? Like, as a descriptive term, “magic” is like saying, “I have no knowledge which accounts for this experience, I don’t even have beliefs which “explain” it, even if I acknowledge it’s a belief”. I agree with both of you though.

“Is there a pre-stage required in life to start seeking Enlightenment ?” Forgetting = Life.

What if there actually is no objective relative reality? What would that mean, relative to aliens?

@Serotoninluv nice! A broad stroke might be that orange is focused on their own situation, head down - ‘getting ahead’, ‘making their mark’, moving beyond / transcending the blue pack - then once they have, doing the self discovery that blue doesn’t realize is possible yet, - then they lift their head up so to speak and start to apply focus to other than themself, the world and society, because they’ve seen part of blue is heavy ideologies & nationalities, etc. They’re inclined to spread awareness about this, which is green. Or another view, blue isn’t satisfied with ‘falling in line’, with blue consciousness, “there must be more” - so the orange adventure begins. Once they’ve become their own orange hero, they start to feel inclined to give & share, to help others. In this way, green is more developed as orange see’s more ‘every man for himself’, and green see’s some futility in that, as ‘we’re all in this together.

Dang, I put too much Wu in it.

@Aaron p ??❤️ Awesome. I’m playin too. I just want ya to discover that love that slaps the words right outta the mouth. I suppose I want everyone to know. ???❤️

@Serotoninluv yes! ???

@Serotoninluv Or a Wuuthie.