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@Ampresus nice!

@Charlotte Awesome!

@fewrocker Enjoyed that read very much. Thanks! Here’s a ‘piggy back’... http://m.encyclopedia-of-religion.org/indriya.html http://m.encyclopedia-of-religion.org/chakra.html http://m.encyclopedia-of-religion.org/meridian.html

That’s how you know you’ve stumbled upon a goldmine - what is initially not understood, what seems foreign. Da Vinci had a saying about walking away from it, so upon returning, a broader clarity is present. Maybe take a look at that post tomorrow. Also, maybe give the “filtering” a try, share how far you get. One piece at a time. Or not.

@clouffy Well you’ve got a whole community right here, not mention access to Leo, who’s knowledge and insight is really unsurpassed. You can get many perspectives. Typically, some “click” with someone, and others don’t. It’s an efficient way of finding the person / advice you click with. You can message me anytime you want, if you feel my two cents is helpful. Counseling / therapy can be very helpful for psychological clarity. Reading such books are helpful too. A Master Reiki Teacher / Practitioner can be very helpful with chakras, discovering your meridians, energy alignment, love & healing in general. There are countless spiritual videos on youtube. It’s practically become a “search my specific issue” library. One subject, but a handful of teachers explaining it in their way, culminates to be a more insightful understanding. A couple things that maybe you could look at differently... “I see, I haven’t been thinking about it that deeply”. Consider changing the perspective of “deeply”, to simply “inquiry”, or more simply put, just taking a look at it. “It’s just the sense of presence that I’m longing for” Can you talk a little about “presence”? What is it, to you?

@Anton Rogachevski In your inquiry (post above), in terms of content, there is: seeing, thinking, awareness, love, infinity, appearance (“appears”), conclusion, direct experience, something, not-seeing, equals (“=“), the question “why”, what Nahm can’t see, or what Nahm can see. Just for fun, “filter” each of those. Filter one: In my direct experience. Or. Not in my direct experience. Filter two: What I know. Or. What I will never really know. Filter three: In my direct experience right now, is there an order these are experienced? If so, of the “items” which are still remaining, what order do I experience them in?

@clouffy Are you able to pinpoint, or even generalize, what led you to the thinking that there is “their” spiritual energy, as compared with there just being spiritual energy, or your spiritual energy? Is it possible that is the very teaching they are offering? How do you presume they would respond to human touch, that would be different than how you do? What comes to mind - what you’ve heard, etc - which leads you to think they are more of a conductor of this energy than you yourself? (Not that I am against people seeing guru’s - it’s the “He or she is enlightened, and I am not thinking, that I hope to draw out into the light)

@clouffy Why?

@clouffy Wether an “enlightened person” turned out to have any unique presence or not - what questions would you ask them?

@ShugendoRa Can you elaborate some? At what point do the stares come? Maybe describe the experience of it becoming awkward too.

@ShugendoRa ?? The realization that all thought, knowledge in entirety, is illusionary, is referred to as The Whole or Wholistic Insight. The whole is the self, all there is, is the self. The actuality in realization of the self is, there is nothing to know. In this realization, “no self” was but an illusionary thought, occurring within the self, and in actuality, never occurred at all. Upon this realization is the cessation of thought, the self is known, and the illusion is known as the self, there is no false self, nor a false no-self catalyst of thinking, and therefore no more attempts to resolve truths about self, reality, thought, nor any other separation based perspectives, etc. In this cessation, samadhi, eternal knowing of the actuality of the self, the knower, is revealed; thoughts, trees, & bird chirps ( @Serotoninluv??) are not only illusion, but equal as such. A thing nor a thought was never “mine”, nor “separate”, nor existed. Watch this.....consider, what is so damn funny? And why are they so happy about it? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CwzQJdvFMeI The self, awareness, the knower, infinite self, etc, can be known, right now. The nature of self is an entirely different stratosphere. If that video is not hysterical, just take it as a pointer to more. Accept the pointer and inquire, or don’t. You are the self either way, it is simply nice to know in this illusion. No one gets out alive in any case, All is Well.

The thought that thought is a movement is yet just another sneaky thought. Movement is not actually. When you describe thought as “movement”, see that there is no actual movement. It’s just a linguistic descriptive, another thought. Movement is illusory.

@Anton Rogachevski ? @Roman Edouard “How can you trust your mind?” - Was our ramble helpful for your inquiry?

@SoonHei #5...Nice!...?? @Serotoninluv That’s a beautiful read right there.??

@Anton Rogachevski Right. Who’s asking? ???

@Anton Rogachevski Are you aware?

Thought can not imply. Nor is it any kind of movement. All thought is your illusion, just like any identification, process, or resistance. All is love. To believe otherwise, you must first believe a thought of separation. Time can not be “in movement”, there is no such thing as time, nor movement.

Any insight, or “learning” is you too. Nahm is your illusion.

Consider a sound. Do you have or experience a sound, or do you actually experience the awareness of a sound? The sneakiness is in believing thoughts. Thoughts are things, like trees (illusionary). Thought can be combined, appearing to form new thoughts (illusionary). There is the thought “that sound”. There is the actuality of awareness of. In believing the thought “I am experiencing a sound”, the sound is implied to be a separate thing. But sound was not actually experienced, awareness is. All “separate things” appear as “separate things” by believing the thought “separate things”. (Worth noting, “infinite” is also just a word, a pointer. As, it would not be helpful to say that there is even not awareness, but only, me.)

Thought can’t identify, nor can thought love, it is love. That it can do anything is actually just another thought. Time is also just thought.

This derived from this.... Which derived from this... Do you see the sneakiness? The separate self evades Truth like a ninja. That is it’s function, it’s purpose - the experience of a separate self, for experience sake. Accomplished with the mind bending simplicity of believing thoughts, taking finite thoughts, as infinite or lasting, Truth. In your direct experience, in this moment, look for pieces of awareness. In your direct experience, in this moment, look for pieces of love. There are no pieces of awareness, nor pieces of love. These are infinite, these are The Self, these are You.

@Anton Rogachevski If that thought is true for you, inquire. Godspeed my friend. Thank you. I wish you well also.

@Anton Rogachevski Thoughts can come fast, but never to fast for realizing this. Awareness can not be “outsmarted”, try as you like. Awareness is aware of thoughts, awareness is not a thought. ??. I’m not asking about “meaning”, or “someone”, or “if thoughts are self aware”, “experiencer(s)’, “who’s aware”, or “putting legs on a snake”. Are you aware of those thoughts too?

Are you aware of this thought “assumption”, this thought “rigged”, this thought “dualistic thinking”, this thought “trick”, this thought “absolutely meaningless”, this thought “what the heck is awareness”, this thought “something I have no idea of”, this thought “it appears as if I was aware”, this thought “how does that change anything”, this thought “just appearances”, this thought “closer to the truth”, this thought “I wouldn’t get here unless I questioned it all to death”, this thought “maybe yes, I don’t know”, this thought “Anton Rogachevski”, and this thought “where’s my prize”?

@Privet ♥️??