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The apple question is spot on (imo) regarding the first revelation of distinction, but it kind of requires you to contemplate it.... When you eat an apple, when exactly does it stop being an apple, and start being your body?

You weren’t. That’s kinda the ‘point’ with the whole apple thing. @mandyjw Watchu think? That what led to rollin with the apple...relativity, etc?

“What” is a distinction.

@krockerman This is that.

@LucyKid ????

Call me crazy, but what we actually want, is to do the dishes.

@Schahin ‘Free will’ is only a thought. ‘No free will’ is only a thought. They are opposite thoughts, but they are just thoughts. That they are opposite thoughts, is really just another thought. These thoughts, are about you. About wether you have free will or not. A thought about you, can’t be true. Since you’re the awareness of the thoughts, and you, awareness, do not begin nor end, do not come nor go. There are no dualities, no axioms, for awareness - you. Awareness is limitless, infinite (you). But the thoughts you are aware of are two-ness, duality, relative to each other. So no thought can do you justice. So you can just pick a thought, if you want, and also, you don’t even have to pick one. You could just say, “oh, I see, they’re just thoughts. Ok. That’s good to know”. You’re already doing whatever the heck you want. ?? Best to get on purpose, with what you want. Create the life you want. But only if you want to.

@Ibn Sina In-deed.

@Ibn Sina What is the exact point which the seed becomes the tree, when does the tree become the apple? Is this ? an apple? Is apple a thought?

@cetus56 Thanks! Don’t feel a day over six billion honestly.

@cetus56 The “Big Bang”. ??

@Ar_Senses ♥️ Lot going on. Do you guys have individual dream boards, and a together dream board?

@zeroISinfinity ?

@Ibn Sina Right, impressive. I was asking though - when, what, is the exact precise point, which it stops being an apple, and is now your body. Not a general overview, but the exact point.

@ThomasT Cool. Sounds like you’re all set. I think you’re doing great btw. Most people will not experience the consciousness you have in their entire lifetime. I apologize for any projecting.

Right. It’s pure magic, unlimited by your thought about pathways, which itself arises within it. You’re the center of the universe. You’re the magician. You are why this is incomprehensible to you. If you eat an apple, when - precisely, exactly - does it stop being an apple, and start being your body?

There is no direct experience of death, being born, being reborn, afterlife, or randomness. These are limiting beliefs, essentially veiling the living and realizing of the actual perfectIon of life, now. Also just maybe consider, you’re using the word nothingness as if it was something more than your idea of nothingness. Everything you want is wanted because you think you will feel better in the having of it. I’d at least consider the reversal of your paradigm, and consider the fruits of self discovery are far greater than ideals. If a thousand years seclusion with your perfect partner, in a world void of suffering, pollution, etc, were a better life, a better reality, you can bet that’s what there’d be. Consider, you might be missing a higher perfection, a deliciousness, which is right in front of you, a miracle to be revealed. The perfection of the imperfections. Life passes quickly indeed. Not fully living via a holdout for ‘the perfect life’ could be costly & regrettable. Letting go, leads to creating the life you want. Holding out for the ‘getting of the life you want’ - as a contingency for letting go, almost ensures life long suffering.

It sounds a bit like the patterns & repetitions return for lack of proper foundation & inspection of the recreation. Such a gap in consciousness in your relationships, at such a young age, combined with writing off the self inspection as ‘spirituality stuff’ (where the understanding & compassion would come from) could make for a rougher than necessary ride. Time is relative, there’s ample time for the practices and survival. They work ideally hand in hand. I wouldn’t use time as a write off to procrastinate. Also though, for all I now, maybe understanding & awareness of self & in your relationships won’t be important to you. I might be projecting. Just a cautionary tale from meetings with some guys your age who went pretty deep pretty young on the psych’s end, without foundations in theory and recognizing the value of self awareness. Consider the reverse paradigm, the challenge of humbling down, realizing compassion via self inspection.

@krockerman You’re aiming really low.

Sure, but while your’re still alive is the best of both worlds.

For sure. What is the process though?

@dimitri Hard to say much without any context around it. Write down the duality, paradigm, and or paradox, and contemplate it. The clarity will arise, they all collapse.

@saffron Been there. Manic depression, call of duty (my drug of choice was der reise), eating stuff I thought was food, battling the parental, etc. Really wished I had someone to talk to, who made it out. If you wanna just talk man, let me know. It can all get better. @ajasatya ok, officially developing a crush on you. ?? ?

@ActualizedDavid Is that a selection from the autobiography of Captain Marvel?