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@Angelite Maybe start with the basics... Have you undertaken any practices, meditation, yoga? Have you looked into science to cognitively dispel “physicality”? My guru says you can die before you die(physically). When I say death, it's literal. Physical death. Your guru is on par. You’re adding to it unnecessarily, in misunderstanding what he / she said. That answer is not found in a book. But I see, you are not seeking, you are right. Why the guru then, I wonder?

@Truth Addict ??♥️

@BlessedLion Doesn’t sound like there’s any suffering on the park bench...but...what about back to life and all it’s trappings? Seemingly unnoticeable - dualities arise in the mind, sensations occur, and suffering is recreated. @tsuki Did we just Ponch & John this thread? Lol

You do, but this question is from the perspective of the separate self. It is a fantastic question which few are courageous enough to genuinely ask. The question is however, asked from the standpoint or assumption, that there is a separate being, and that it made or makes a determination. Upon being uncovered, the true self is all things, is known to be all things, and all things are known to be the very same knowing - unconditional, without duality, without the knowing of a thing...and thoughts, are things. Understanding is itself, Being, so the true self, Being, can not be understood - but rather only known, in the very same sense that you know you are you. Imagine a thought, a comment, even an emphatic speech - which could be so engrossing and moving - that it convinces you that you are not you. See the silliness of that example? You are you, nothing could take a primary order of that - because whatever that is - it is still ultimately just some thing - known by you. It is what is, without determination, without thought. It might be helpful to say that rather than determination, there is intention, but still ‘intention’ only points to what has inevitably sprung from the very, very best, of you yourself. All of the above, and also through learning, experiencing, expanding understanding. Only for the sake of communication, perhaps the word ‘deconstruction’ has more “use”. When all is inspected, thoroughly, all is revealed to be dualities of thought & beliefs, paradigms & paradox of “identity”, ultimately arising at the duality of self & other. I feel it is only fair and honest to add, that in addition to what’s been expressed here... there is a meta, there’s no word for it, but to use one, maybe a non-dualistic- realm. Then, beyond that, there is the meta-actuality, the meta-how if you will, which is visible in the mind, yet inexpressibly “more real” than anything outside of it. It could be said that there is the collapsing of dualities of mind, and therefore the calming of the mind. Then there is the inquiry of the self, of the “ I “, and the true knowing, or “unification” (was never really two) of separate self, and true self. Then..there is the seeing of the “how” of the “ I “ and “ I ‘ s”, essentially, how One can by a limitless many, and how the many can appear so convincingly to be in one objective reality. Then there is the void & The Light, and “the tongue can not taste itself”. Is the top portion of your picture, the moon?

Oh yes you can. There is solace in understanding there is inspection work to be done. Even if it is shelved for the future, for a time that is right for you, the acknowledgement & understanding there is much more scrutiny of direct experience ‘on the bone’, is reassuring.

You are reading it, understanding it - but missing that you are believing it. You aren’t scrutinizing your own believing, so you aren’t realizing what beliefs are. By default, you are not ‘letting beliefs go’, aka, self discovering - seeing what remains when all beliefs are surrendered. You are mistaking them for - being right. Again, in innocence. Realizing one has been ‘being right’, certainly does not make one “wrong”. It is one who wants to know the truth about themself, above and beyond all beliefs. Given the choice between a belief & nothing - consider seeing what nothing is first before choosing. In such a case, the outcome is such that, there is and was, no choice.

This is a surface level result of a surface level investigation. One must believe the thought “I am not enlightened”, to experience it falsely as the actuality. Same with “I am a soul in a body”. This is an a priori, un-inspected, belief. You have absolutely zero direct evidence of this, regardless of how long you have repeated it, and believed it. This is the root of all suffering - the separate self. “I will leave this body” - again, no direct experience. This is a belief. “You’re still alive Nahm” is riddled with beliefs about yourself as alive, and separate. I am not Nahm, I am not alive, and I am not separate. I am pretty dang still though. “My body” is identification via belief, beliefs via identification... “will leave me” this is an inherent belief in the duality of yourself, but you have never experienced being two. This also reveals beliefs in space and time as actuality - that there is “somewhere else” to go, “somewhere” to leave....”when it”...again, dualistic belief...all you know in genuine, honest scrutiny of direct experience, is the knowing - not an actual separation of knowing and a separate “thing” known...in not inspecting your beliefs, you perpetuate this (suffering), and thus believe in “death”...which again, you have zero direct experience of any kind whatsoever with - it is a belief, about yourself, but because you continue to avoid the inspection, you don’t understand how “death” is actually the infinite, true self (you)......”physically” then entirely collapses and is recognized, hilariously, and loving, as a believe you yourself created, in sheer innocence.

@Angelite Who says them? What is the “my”...? (Literal is a duality, a movement of thought) Who knows this movement? Who / what knows “my” ?

What, if not in thought? Who, if not the activity of the mind? @zeroISinfinity ♥️

@Ibn Sina https://youtu.be/CwzQJdvFMeI

@ajasatya ??♥️? ”shut your mind” priceless advice.

@Ibn Sina Right on. (Minus the “time”) ?♥️??

If they all hatched, so there’s now only chickens, no remaining eggs - then how does that play out?

@pluto Excellent! Just as an aside, I get the impression Matt creates a duality, in so creates blame, just in some sense. Does he acknowledge and explain that infinite & infinite is no-experience (the ‘forgetting’ & it’s “role”)? To the contrary, just as an example and analogy of the duality being imposed, 1000w’s of Bulls on Parade, or Testify, or maybe Fucking Hostile - at a volume that shatters - I am filled with Self - Source / Love, is viscerally drawn upon. “My” nervous system relishes the madness & chaos.

Why aren’t all the eggs, chickens?

@Rasheed That’s beautiful right there. ??♥️

All change is illusory, the actuality is pure unconditional blissful consciousness, so perfect, it’s taken to be changing ‘things’, to itself.

No one is “being a Buddha”. It means enlightened, one knowing the truth of one’s self as infinite being. One who doesn’t know could do just about anything they want life purpose wise, and so could one who does know. One can marry one or many perspectives however, which appear to limit what one can do.

There’s no need to identify. You are already a creator. Write what you want on a dry erase board. Pick thoughts which feel good, relative to it. That’s it. Take it slow & easy, and have fun, while the universe becomes it. The same way. Dry erase boards, chalk painted wall, feeling amazing, infinite momentum. https://youtu.be/UygnXqoKrC4 It sure seems like you are “in” reality, but it is created unidirectionally from within you. Meditation, every morning.

@Ibn Sina John Hagelin comes to mind. I believe he’s a physicist with a PhD in consciousness. He seems woke well ahead of his time to me. There’s a few S.A.N.D. videos of his presentations on YouTube. I get what you’re saying now, there’s a couple perspectives to it and I was a bit stuck in the other. What are you thinking / meaning by “enlightened”? I know it’s a loaded question, but defining, or really, expressing how you currently see it, would probably lead to seeing there are more than you’re thinking.

@Ibn Sina Is the conflict between the two actual or conceptual? Sincerely asking because I don’t understand what you’re saying.

Gotta ignore the entire forum for that one. Infinite within infinite is still nothing in the consciousness of infinite - no experience. Yet, here we are, so.... This is arguably the most fundamental realization, and stands to change everything, entirely.