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@arlin It might be helpful to look at this like duality is not in the mind, but in the body. In the sense, there is one body, and it knows it is one, and it feels the dualities within it and is always naturally allowing them out. This can help with attention on feeling, rather than thinking, and allowing rather than ‘figuring it out’, connecting with intuition. What the body is organically releasing, the mind can tend to ‘hold onto’, using “i have to understand it” as a way to not really see it, not allowing the release. You might see it like the duality in the body only wants to have attention from you, it just wants to be seen. Once it is, it parts ways very naturally. Seeing that duality is in the body, positions the mind to simply observe & witness the departing, rather than analyzing it - which is a ‘holding’ on to it (with the attention). This also begins to reframe the biggest picture of relating to life, realizing the body is always in a state of naturally healing. (That there is a source of that healing). Meditation could be seen as simply setting aside time for this natural purification, without any need to ‘face anything’. Just being with the universe so to speak, and the creating & loving order of it. Also, it can be really helpful to write a perspective down, and write the opposite perspective next to it. Then label them by writing how each perspective feels, using one word. Getting it ‘out of the head’ and in front of the eyes can make it much easier to see that there is some truth in each perspective, but there is one clearly preferred in terms of how it feels to you. All dualities to be released are unique to you, and your feelings.

@Fede83 You might say one sheds the surface level interests along with the surface level self, in meditation. Then there is a ‘flat’ stage, where one isn’t as reactionary, and isn’t motivated by or interested in the things of old like they previously were. Like cleaning the slate, so that the new can now come, and the deeper, richer, sweeter, more meaningful living begins. That ‘more meaningful’, means more specifically meaningful to you. A departure from what previously motivated you, and an entry to what authentically, naturally, inspires you.

Forgetting and remembering there is nothing you’re forgetting.

If only it were that easy. It is readily seen that you are not understanding what was said, and spinning another duality, as your focus shifts to comments about ‘my oneness’ etc. I pointed out a duality you’re holding of you and ‘life’. As incomprehensible as it may seem, that too is you. When one leaves the topic, for personal ‘oneness’ attacks there is no communion or potential for understanding. All that was uncovered was an ulterior motive. When you take a conversation to linguistics and language itself as the shield, well, it’s clear there’s no use in any more words.

@Shaun Let me preface this with - I love you, you know I do....my wife is sitting, reading. She doesn’t share your concern. No offense, but she doesn’t give two shits about any of what you are worried about. Why is that?

It was more in the vein of loosing up your perspective, seeing that you are the ‘connector’ of creative & analytical, if you will. No, I wouldn’t equate creativity to anything, more so everything. There are people who go on vacation, and after a day or so, feel a lot more relaxed, lighter, light hearted, energized, zest for life returns - and in that feeling, ideas flow more readily, creativity abounds relative to the more limited contracted state of “at work“. I’m suggesting this zooming in & out is not a product of where one is, or what one is doing, but that one can themself zoom in & out. It might be helpful in more of an exercise sense. An example might be, zoom out and new creative idea flow, zoom in and creative way to apply them flow. Zoom ‘out of the head and into the room’ and an outside the box idea arises, zoom in on a pencil on the desk, and a new creative application for an old thing, or a creative way of combining two things into, etc, arises. I’m not doing a great job explaining this, sorry, but the point is to discover you can “zoom in & out” in a huge way, and you can do this at will by letting go and shifting, trying out (for now) many ways of perceiving.

@Nickyy You’re misconstruing what was said, and projecting & accusing quite a bit. Go back and read again if you like, or not. ??

@Nickyy Not sure why the blankness. Just do a regular copy and paste (vs ‘quote’ function).

@Nickyy Perhaps there’s a message in it’s blankness. ? ??

@Shaun If this isn’t interesting, sorry for the hijack.

You as the observer, life as the object which you as the subject, are observing. Or observer (subject), life (object). Once identification has ceased and life reveals itself as impersonal and therefore benign that is enlightenment. To say that there is duality inherent in that state is a misunderstanding of duality. The comment wasn’t in regards to a state. Again, we might be saying the same thing here, and this might be linguistic. Perhaps because actual duality has not been seen and transcended? ? Actual duality can’t be seen or transcended ultimately, because duality is not actual. It's easy to speculate what enlightenment would be like, but until you have had an actual experience of what reality really is, then you could be mistakenly assume that duality is actually real. Nor can one actually experience what reality really is. That again would be subject (you) and experience of object (reality). It's very simple, all that has to happen is disidentification, then duality is no longer the case. Just saying again, this could be ‘talking over each other’ / linguistic, but there isn’t a subject which disidentifys with an object.

@Nickyy I’m with you in sentiment for sure. However, there is a duality present in life living by itself, with me as the observer. Life being separate from potential ‘interference from the egoic identity”. There is a collapse of the duality of personal & impersonal.

@Nickyy I’m not sure if you’re just sharing that or there is an implied question or something...?

The happiness & peace are the truth. There is no mental breakdown to fear, that is conditioning talking. The significant nuance in the “my life” is the my. Life continues, but life is not ‘yours’, you are what life is. A thought about perception isn’t direct experience of perception. It’s perception and a thought about perception. Would you rather be the one hit with the sandwhich, or the one who threw it? Notice there is some connection there with regard to feeling. It might be subtle, or undetectable currently. Meditation, every morning, and it won’t be too subtle for too long. There is the movie, or appearance level of the sensation of the sand which hitting the body, and there is the screen, being, sensation for having thrown something at someone.

@Inliytened1 ♥️ “The knowing is the known”.

Indeed. If death is not final, it’s only an idea of a finality, which means reincarnation, is also an idea.

America, Italy, Canada, Being...a hundred years ago this moment would have been dubbed impossible. Love you guys. Really love where being is headed with all this.

Peace, love, and understanding is our infinite being. @arlin Emptiness is far from empty.

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@Nahm Now take away the words...”pure consciousness”, “pure awareness”. And replace them with...me. Now take away the word, the label, the definition, the term... “me”. And now there’s, nothing. So take away the word, “nothing”. There’s no self reference. And now take away the term, the meaning, etc, “self reference”. @zeroISinfinity The only thing I am right about, is hippie chick is well on her way. You best be ready cause she’s a bigger trip than me.

@Wisebaxter I hear ya. I’ve often thought, wouldn’t it be great, if someone wrote a book that goes beyond the practices of law of attraction, so I could simply see that it is the actuality, that it is already the case.

Pure consciousness, from the relative thought based perspective, is “nothingness”. It’s not that the I is an illusion, it’s that the I is real, pure consciousness. It’s not that experience is illusory, it’s that experience is real, pure consciousness. A thought about an I, is a thought about an I. Awareness of the thought, is awareness of the thought. The pure consciousness, pure awareness...vibrates, to form itself, as the form we call, a thought. The same pure consciousness, pure awareness, because it is pure consciousness pure awareness, is also aware of the thought, conscious of the thought. You are what is aware of, conscious of, the thought. And, you are the thought. Why can’t that “click”, why can’t that “make sense”? Because you’d first have to believe the thought, is not you, but a separate thing, called a thought. Then, you’d have to believe the thought - is about you. Now, in this position of believing the thought is about you, you forget that you are the awareness of the thought and the thought, and you believe the content or implication of the thought, is you. But wait just a dang second here...I am this body thought! I have a past, and that makes me who I am!! I can’t be my thoughts, because they are MY thoughts!!! (Those are examples of thoughts one might believe) ...and it mother f’ing does MAKE SENSE...because “Makes sense” = Makes Sens-ation, makes feeling. “Makes Sense” does not equal “Makes more thoughts”, nor “Makes Understanding”.