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@Meta-Man ?

@WHO IS ⬆️

@Virtually Yes. I want to clarify though, what I’m saying has nothing to do with Leo, Peter, you, nor me. (Also, in case it makes a difference, I didn’t read the article or watch the videos posted. Which admittedly leaves room for miscommunication on my end)

In all my trips I’ve never contemplated. It never occurred to me to look at it that way. It could be said to be bringing a condition to what is without conditions. Maybe I assumed Truth was the teacher and I was the student. Contemplation, imo, is none other than the thoughts which arose, which you utilized to express & type the op of the thread. There is a certain ‘clinging’ to that thought which arose, in ‘utilizing it’, to make the thread. Nothing “wrong” with that at all. Another perspective on it, would be...what if instead of “clinging” to it & “utilizing it”, you simply returned attention to perception & feeling (which indirectly lets the thought go). I suggest, in the clearing of the mind as such, that inevitably another thought would arise, one of more feeling, more of an insight than a thought. And if you let that insight go, another would arise with more feeling. I suggest this is because the source of you is the source of thoughts as well, and is loving you unconditionally, and wanting for you everything you are wanting.

@Virtually Sorry if confusing, it’s kind of the nature of the topic. I meant it in regard to what I quoted, to levels of consciousness. If I am assessing and communicating in regards to your “level of consciousness”, then I am believing there is a you and that there are levels of consciousness, which is to say I am believing there is a me which is experiencing levels of consciousness. But there are not-two, wether that is me & consciousness, or you & consciousness, or a dichotomy of levels of consciousness.

If it’s being described, especially as others and their levels of consciousness, silence, truth, is abandoned, and “that ain’t it”.

@ShivaShakti That sentiment (above) is what that scene actually reveals, in looking past / through the perspective ’the Frenchman schooled Morpheus’.

@Benjamin x Yes!

That is very logical, but I’d wager “it’s” crazy, transcendent of logic. There might be more juice for ya there. Up to you, of course.

That’s an ‘important’ question imo. Notice you’re aware of duality (thinking), but you can not think awareness. @Rilles Much like a magician, if you want to see The Magic, see The Deception.

@Leo Gura ?

Which is it?

Love received is great, no problem at all, receive healing all day long.

What’s the relationship between thinking about how people think about you, and being concerned with explaining insights...and concentration?

Investigation can reveal insufficient evidence. Evidence can reveal insufficient investigation. Misunderstanding begets understanding. Misdirection begets direction. What is found is what is ostracized.

Andres assured me he would not share our video. You humans. ??‍♂️

Enlightenment only points to what is already the case, who you already are, that which is holding beliefs to the contrary. One thinking compulsively is already amply aware of thinking. In directing (focusing, attention, concentrating, shifting, etc) on perception & feeling, thinking indirectly “stops”. You experience more of what you focus on. You’ve been focusing on thoughts. Inspect the relationship between thoughts & feeling in direct experience, now (vs past & future), by writing about how you feel, now, on paper. There is nothing to ‘figure out’, there is much letting go that can be done, and understanding naturally arises in that space. All that can be said to be ‘beyond the ego mind’, you’re creating. Let that belief go as well, experience what is prior to. Write down some of these thoughts, and inspect them one word at a time. You’ll find ‘write offs’, words you’re using which cover up opportunities to inspect the relationship between thought & feeling. You are already the greatest feeling possible. Ruminating thought is thinking which is trying to bring about better feeling. Everything you want, including no mind & enlightenment, is because you believe you’ll feel better once you obtain it. This is the very thinking which is false, and keeps the mind in overdrive. Feeling can never be thought. Feeling can not even be felt. Feeling arises naturally when thought is (indirectly) let go. Misunderstanding makes it difficult to let thinking go, for fear of not feeling better if you don’t ‘figure it out’, but the fear is in thinking & labeling feeling, fear is not feeling. Fear is thoughts about oneself & reality which are false, feeling tells you so. It behooves one to listen to infinite intelligence (the body, feeling, silence). No thought will ever be feeling. No thing will ever feel better than self, as all things are self. Self veils itself with “things”. This is what is meant by misunderstanding.

This isn’t skepticism, it’s cynicism. What you’re talking about is entirely possible, but in actuality, as in for you, or “one mind at a time”. Dis-ease arises in misunderstanding mind, body, self, other & reality. One can’t go ‘out of reality’, nor is it ‘super deep & complex’. It’s surface, nothing is hidden. Perception is precisely as it appears, and so is thought, feeling & emotion. The misunderstanding & confusion arises in assumptions & beliefs pertaining to an ‘outside’ or ‘other than’ direct experience. Real & not real is meaning, and there is already no ‘meaning to everything’ - that is in large part the very misunderstanding which ‘separates’ one from their true nature, unknowingly creating the dis-ease. Telepathy is incredibly useful in this regard, but will never be assertable. One is oneself choice. Were one not, one would have no dis-ease or inquiry about it.

Absolutely not. These are misunderstandings at play; super neurotic people, induce enlightenment, inability to concentrate. Understanding themselves.

It was about T minus 5 weeks in the womb and I remember thinking, this seems like the total opposite of what I’m used to, and yet, I feel like I’ve been here before somehow.

@Derek White RIght on. Write it next to your dream board, so your ‘why’ of letting go is readily available.

Let thoughts about it go and feel it. No.

@Derek White Essentially, yes. The claiming of ‘my’ consciousness would be let go as it’s a thought. Thought is indirectly ‘let go’ by focusing on perception & feeling. Like a phone which has been believing in it’s concept of “my baseline wifi”. It’s just, wifi. It has a source, but it’s the router, not the phone.

Because I don’t see it that way, I never lose ground. That would be let go..previously I would say ‘in meditation’, but now I’d say because I created it in the first place. I’d recommend seeing what baseline consciousness is, when all else is let go.

It’s not a paradox, it’s a misunderstanding of reality, practices & spirituality, which perpetuates the non knowing of oneself.