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@Spiral Wizard States only appear to come and go. Meditation is you. You never come & go. You never reach a “state”, anymore than you walk, talk, move, or think.

@wavydude You are literally talking to yourself. About yourself. Convincing yourself. Creating yourself. Truth is so spontaneous, so good - whatever you say and create right now - is always up to you, as there is only this now. You are Being. Being this now.

@wavydude What exactly do you think “things are”?

@VeganAwake That was great man. Clear and to the point. ??

The duality is that the good feeling is coming from people, things, objects, experiences, etc, until it is noticed that it is not. Then it seems rather obvious that it never was.

Deeply beautiful message there. The “problem” is that it’s true, no? Lol. The “problem” is that Truth is “too good to be true”. But it’s The Truth!

You = good. It’s not a matter of ‘good enough’. You are what good is. Feeling, honesty, some inspection, and the willingness to let go of what doesn’t feel good. The answer to that is feeling. When there is the experience of being aware of these thoughts, notice you are aware. No thought could ever describe that which is aware, of the thought. No thought about you could be true, because you are already the awareness, of the thought.

I’ve experienced that a few times as well. The ‘traveling’ aspect has been arbitrary in my experience, but the disappearing of the body mind has been experience many times voluntarily via meditation. I’m not sure if that’s something you’re looking to do. I recommend it, it’s mystical, fun & delightful, ime. Like a ‘full reset’ of reality. In regard to making sense of it, if the materialist paradigm is shattered, and I believe it is, then ‘making sense’ would no longer point to what is logical, rational, computable, deducible, or other facets of “material”. So that it shattered the materialist paradigm, is how it ‘makes sense’. Almost like someone breaking out of prison, and asking how it makes sense, and how it makes sense is that they are no longer in prison. Hopefully that makes sense.

@capriciousduck Sounds like you haven’t considered you can take time for this when you want. Might seem like insights ‘just come’ and you gotta ‘catch em’ while they’re hot, so to speak. But you will find, choice applies, and you can choose, make time for this. You can even pick a topic or subject, and relax, and insights will come. Careful not to make a duality of it though. There’s no issue with using something like voice to text, to ‘capture’ the insights that ‘just come’. Recording & explaining the insights can also deepen understanding, and insights begin to coagulate as epiphanies and revelations arise. The main thing, imo, is enjoy it in any case. Also, btw, every human experiences only one thought at a time. So the thought “my thoughts, or my thinking, is disorganized”, isn’t ‘true’ per se, because it itself, is just one arising, appearing thought.

@Dumuzzi There isn’t anybody thinking here. Totally seems like it, I’ll give ya that. Thinking doesn’t interfere with anything, it’s you. ?

@abrakamowse ♥️?

Nice... but on that one point...wouldn’t that imply two? Brahmin, as it were...and something which could ‘move away’ from ‘it’? Perhaps there is not an understander.

@Dumuzzi The sentiment in the questions was an offering of sorts, a prompt perhaps, that you might inspect and see through the narratives. If you’re interested in seeing the dualities at play (thought), you might contemplate them.... “becoming a God”, “all Gods having a light & dark side”, “Shiva being a manifestation”, “one can not exist without the other”, “ultimate evil”, a “Goddess of war & love” which “ I work with”, that you have ‘comes to terms’ with “your dual nature”, and “grew to accept the Truth”, “like a God”, “my dualities”, “our dualistic nature”, “I became nondual”, that “we are weak as opposed to Gods”, “opposing natures...male-female, good-evil, solar-lunar”, “that happens in Truth”, “both our sides working in unison”, “potential Gods”. “agreed prior to our incarnation in this”....”form”, “higher being”, “god-man”, “with the Gods” “One type of energy - a fusion of opposites” Or not, as well. All the same. ?

@Gadasaa If my wife & I are watching Forrest Gump in the ‘living room’, and I claim there is literally a separate individual present, “Tom Hanks”... and my wife says “no, that’s a screen”, who would you say is ‘more accurate’?

@TheUniverseIsLove Whats the only ‘thing’ you can’t remember? What’s the only ‘thing’ you can’t forget?

@Dumuzzi Ya got a lot goin on there my man. Lot of projection, confusion, and accusation. Again, just asking questions about what you stated (op) no worries.

@Chumbimba Can you see, even if initially or a little, that the feeling is in regard to the thoughts / perspective, rather than the content, or what the thought are about??

@Dumuzzi No not at all, but thank you. Just asking questions about this thread you made. No worries if you’re not interested. Love you. @Aaron p Godspeed.

@Aaron p Any minute now.

The questions were about what you said previously & op. Why do you think I’m trying to find something? Why does structure and meaning come up? How is it there is something behind Oneness? How could I experience an it ? Why does that idea come up? Is that what you think is being said? Wouldn’t illusory imply there are no vibrations? If there are vibrations, would they still be illusory? Why would I think that? What is “everybody else”, other than the thought? ‘That’ is what was being pointed to. In what way is ‘it’ and “outside force”? How is it artificial? How is that different from the gods you mentioned? Are they illusory? Vibrational? Individuals? How you you fit into all this?

@Raptorsin7 All of the time. Notice how you’re already ‘going into’ thought narrative about doing the practice, which is intended to focus on stomach breathing, relaxation, other-than-thinking.

Focused away from stomach breathing, upon thinking... thought narrative about the practice itself is being believed. Then another about how this isn’t good enough for me, I can’t simply be myself, love myself, love my world, and do what I actually want to. That’s how much the stomach breathing meditation works! Soon enough, there is no longer the believing of that thought story, which is what doesn’t feel good. Life unfolds as the story you tell. You stand to change your entire perspective & attitude, and therefore life, by ‘doing’ nothing. The being you’re looking for, to feel better, is ‘doing’ the breathing. Not ‘you’. “Meet” Being at the breath. “Both” of you be conscious of it.”One” of you is actually just thoughts. “One” of you already is ‘that’ consciousness. Tell that story. Switch the theme from it’s definitely not this for sure no doubt this sucks, to, it actually literally is this. You could tell that story all day long. It’ll likely be a pleasant feeling of being conscious, aware, mindful. Stomach breathing meditation works. There is great emotional & tension release in realizing all the narratives one’s been believing and sharing.

What’s separation & distinction, other than thoughts? What’s unity & oneness, other than thoughts? How does mind not equal consciousness, other than thoughts?

What about the apparent dualities above. You becoming God, some thing that requires, I remind myself, some thing I can’t wait for... What’s that other than thought?

Conscious creating vs creating by default.