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@Red-White-Light No thing to worry about, as nothing never becomes anything.

@Alfonsoo There is still much importance given to what you think. You’re wrestling with letting go, and a trip is not the ideal time to do it. In that case, any distraction / change of experience is ideal. Daily morning meditation, working your way up to an hour of letting thoughts go by returning attention to breathing & feeling...along with writing about how you feel now, in regard to anything emotional that arises & empties out...along with a clean diet & some fitness...would ‘clean you right out’. I know those trip thought loops, and believe it or not, what is experienced as quite scary & terrible...becomes so funny you can’t even stand it (in a hilariously pleasant way). Also, the key imo, is not proceeding with the contextualizing it was a “bad” trip. Try to relate / get the message instead.

I think your question / consideration is innocently underhanded. I’d stick to the behaviors & actions at present in being aware of potential predictors of future behaviors. Notice it’s always up to you - is there a past or not? Are you recognizing this is up to each one? Such a fine line between liberation & enabling, given there is no people, past or doer. I would suggest a more important question is how someone is doing with morning meditation, journaling & emotionally expressing, and follow through on ‘sitting with it’, feeling the arising emotions, and not going into a thought story weaving in past, self, other, or future. How someone handles where they’re at, and the extent they are willing to let go, are greater future predictors than the past, so to speak, imo. Oprah is an extreme but true example, if you read her bio a bit. That wouldn’t be up to you. Some people let go, most don’t. Some believe they are, but aren’t.

Amen to that. ??

Relax & contemplate that a bit more. I believe there’s a realization there for you that you’re looking for. If infinite could know finite...wouldn’t that mean, since there is finite...that there isn’t infinite? @Vittorio ?

What is it? (As specifically as you can investigate)

Is awareness infinite or finite? Is body a thing or a thought? What is a thing sans a thought? What is a thought? Is thought infinite or finite? What direct experience have you of this death you speak of? You’ve yet to seriously scrutinize any of this. You’re pretending to, through the filter of holding beliefs first. Let them go, inspect the direct experience of what is right now.

@Red-White-Light Read and contemplate deeper and you’ll find the understanding.

@SQAAD Can infinite know finite?

@SQAAD How does your inquiry / perspective on this change upon the realization there is no individual ‘you’ ?

It’s more reel than real. “Wakefulness” is a thought, which is an activity of mind, ‘itself’ just an assumption of separate individual rather than apparent individuation, as is the claim ‘it’ slept. What can’t and never sleeps believes it sleeps. Humor might ‘cut through’ this one if you hear what “I’m” sayin. This is quite literally a dream of some guy sayin stuff about sleep, rather than a guy who sleeps sayin stuff. Conscious isn’t a property of a thing, like all things it is an appearance, coming & going...or appearing to rather.

@Rasheed Hell ya. I’m with ya. I love boxing. Can’t wait to watch this one. Been a fan of Tyson since the early days. He’s an amazing person imo. Next life, boxing for sure. ? Look out!

@zeroISinfinity ???

Yes. You don’t. You can’t cause it isn’t actual. Why would you want to anyways? Running...vibrational appearance, same for the thought “running”. Sleep - no vibrational appearance, but the thought “sleep” is a vibrational appearance. Yes indeed, and there is no example in experience of anything whatsoever which is not a state of change, because “it” appears to be, “it” is a vibration. It is possible btw “ime” to “be conscious in sleep”, which is to say without the apparent veil of the finite mind. It’s possible there is a linguistic miscommunication happening at my end here, but in having experienced this non-experience of “sleep”, it was crystal clear...so I’m working from the assumption that is not what you’re referring to.

@zeroISinfinity Ball sucker.

@Seed One more thing I thought I’d mention, take it however you will....I have been present at Reiki I classes where people with no experience with practices or psych’s or anything have simple walked in and in their willingness & interest...have mystical healing experiences on their own behalf, so to speak, and through themselves on behalf of others. There’s a phrase or passage in the Bible something like, “where two or more are gathered in my name, there I am”. This is the power, presence, mystical nature and actuality, of love, and denotes the simplicity of intention.

Try explaining sex to a virgin using experience, knowledge and ability. In that regard it communicates nothing. If and when the virgin has sex, then they know what you we’re talking about. There are no words explaining distance energy healing, but it happens. @zeroISinfinity You so funny. Stop looking through me already. Lol. @Loving Radiance I would say so, until experience is no longer known, but is the very same inseparable knowing. Such as the realization that occurs in scrutinizing direct experience for separation between objects, seeing, and knowing.

@Samuel Garcia It’s a phenomena, if we are to agree that the thought “I sleep” is an, albeit apparent, phenomena. There is no actuality whatsoever which that thought points to. “Sleep” is similar to “death” in that perception seems to lead us to an assumption. Another way to say what can’t be said lol...”since I exist, I must have been sleeping when I was not awake”. This assumes there is an I which is awake at times, but there is neither an I, awake, nor time...just as there is no actuality of sleep or death.

@zeroISinfinity @Seed “Illusion”, “maya” are ‘write offs’. Reality known is not illusory at all.

@Seed What illusion?

I can attest to the actuality of this, it is prior to and beyond experience, knowledge and ability.

Because absolute. Stuff is not happening.

Exactly.

@zeroISinfinity ? No hidden message, just appreciating ya.

@Samuel Garcia What about the phenomena of a you sleeping?