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@4201 Thought is sneakier than you’re yet imagined.

@Dario1995

@allislove Ha yes! No one escapes this love!

@Someone here Examine more closely with more scrutiny who is interested in a way out of suffering, and precisely why. List the reasons on a per in front of you, so to speak, rather than ‘in the head’ / thinking. Electrobeam was rather spot on and all that he shared with you was rather blown off. One thing missed that might be ‘graspable’ sooner than later, is that the intellect which has been apparently utilized to arrive at what has previously been referred to as “Truth”, is “itself” only an appearance. That one has arrived at a realization via negation is a facade. Look enough, and there is nothing ‘there’. Any & every thought, concept, explanation, every notion, is only an appearance. What stands to be fully realized (by no one) is ‘you’ are what is appearing. You’re looking for a way out of what you are simultaneously creating. It won’t ‘work’. Thoughts about this won’t do, because they are nonexistent, only apparent. Get in touch with feeling, more than you ever have, more than you’ve ever even considered...and feeling sorts all the nonsense out ‘for you’. It always has and always will. Listen, rather than talking, labeling, etc (feeling). Open your mind to the possibility that you’ve been believing you’ve felt, experienced feeling...but have actually never yet.

@Someone here Me too.

I’d really scrutinize direct experience. Body, mind & I are only really thoughts. To say I or you will experience multiple lifetimes isn’t actually correct. Likewise, it’s not actually possible your experience is that of a human who feels trapped. Examine with more detail precisely what you’re thinking / talking about. Be clear on what you are saying & believing a human is, and be very literal in examination of exactly how you’re trapped. You’ll find these are only thoughts, about a you, but there isn’t one. The feeling likewise labeled to cover this up, “fear”, is you, and it’s being, love. If self as unconditional love is not realized and the 24/7 actuality, don’t watch triggering videos, watch liberating videos. When it is clearly realized a you wasn’t ever born, it’s impossible to fear, and to fear being born.

Have you made a dreamboard? From one perspective it could be said that relationship, job, etc, are how & what they are only due to thought & feeling.

@Someone here Some weird ideas on love there man.

@wavydude What is the actuality of life you’re referring to?

@Rajneeshpuram How would those not work for you? What does non-superficial look like for you? What does ‘most suitable for me’ mean or relate to? What is it which you desire to change? What’s the most ideal outcome?

@actualizing25 Understand why you don’t feel amazing, at each & every occurrence.

What is too basic about it? Can you be more specific about that, and about what you mean by the ‘more advanced material’ you’re seeking?

@Eren Eeager Thanks. You too. ??

What understanding or distinctions do you have or make, between suffering, and pain? In terms of pain, I meant can you isolate it and communicate specifically where in the body the actual pain is. If you can not, you might begin to consider that it is not pain, but rather, suffering. Then, you might look into information as to the fundamental nature of suffering for understanding. No = these are thoughts about an experience, but are not the experience. Similarly, if I asked if you have had a pumpkin spice latte from star bucks...there might be an inclination to replay “No...but...”. Everything that follows the “but” would be thoughts about the experience of drinking a pumpkin spice latte, which would not be indicative of the actual experience of drinking one. Likewise, with the dreamboard. Thoughts about it, are not at all related to what the actual experience is. As you said, “no success”. My intention is looking at your current approach, sifting out what isn’t working & why, in hopes you are willing to let some things go and try a different approach. How does this approach / perspective you are currently utilizing feel? I am deducing it does not feel good. Is there willingness to let it go, and adopt an approach which is rooted in, and entirely based on, feeling better?

@Eren Eeager I wish you the best. Hoping you are letting misunderstanding go and realizing much understanding, and continuing to feel better and better for it. I have much respect to you for being on the path of well being and sorting through these things.

What is left as to description without mind? Infinity. Nothing. Upon transcendence of the mind, there is no ‘coming back to the collective’. That’s a perspective being projected or applied rather than the actuality recognized. There’s definitely no more believing in individualism.

As you are certain the congested energy is caused by the disorders...can you explain that a little? Can you describe what you’re witnessing by which you’ve arrived at that certainty?

Can you isolate, point to, and share specifically where the pain is being experienced? Have you made a dreamboard...written what you do want in life on it...let go of limiting beliefs..? Curious if you’ve done this yourself, and directly experienced it, vs thought or read about it. Can you describe the one who is separate from God, making the references? Can you articulate specific properties, and describe the actual separation? (Asking with an intention to help, as all ‘things’ amply inspected disappear. If it’s too triggering or off putting, of course just ignore and move on )

If you’re comfortable sharing, what psychedelic & what dose did you take prior to each of those experiences? Also, I appreciate the sharing, but I was asking what mania & psychosis is more so than what behaviors and actions are attributed to it.

The belief is the thought, the duality of alive & dead, that you come & go. Find a separation in knowing. Between knowing & experience, and knowing & belief. If a separation can’t be found, then a distinction can’t be made, and there is not a duality of knowing & not knowing. And also then, there is. But only because there isn’t. Since there is.

@allislove Infinite yes to all that. Beautiful man.

Think feeling. Feel thinking. What do you experience?

‘Why’ is an apparent finite thought. There is direct knowing of the thought. The thought is about perception. There is direct knowing of perception. There is no perceiving a thought, and there is no thinking perception. There is direct knowing of thought & of perception. There is no separation between knowing, thought, and perception. The knowing is the mirage. Infinite can not know finite.

Meditate for an hour every morning. Keep returning attention to breathing from the stomach. Days add up to a disciplined mind. All suppressed emotions will empty. It will be realized there never was a problem, just the believing of thoughts that didn’t feel good. A simpler way to say that is there is presently little to no focus. It could be said to be trained, by letting thoughts go, by focusing on breathing from the stomach and relaxing. Down the road so to speak, that explanation will eat itself. ’The mind’ goes to such great lengths to avoid this, ultimately rooted in the fear of death, or nothingness. In hindsight, you’ll see humor in having been afraid, of nothing. Before letting go though, people typically weave more thought stories, continuing to believe thinking leads to feeling. Alas, it is clearly seen that feeling can not be thought.

@Dodo Sure. Joke’s on you then. ?