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I’ve no faith in it, just in you. It would be funny for anyone to be skeptical of there being stars, when they could check & see, and live under so much beauty.

Awareness of self talk / inner monologue. Specifically, seeing through thoughts which suggest there is a second entity involved, like the ego, or the I, or a me. Read some of @Faceless posts from his profile. If there are some you don’t get yet, but intuitively feel the hunch there is something there to be recognized, do like you mentioned about this thread...read it a few times, then let it go for a while, then read it again. ??

@Beginner Mind It’s already done.

@Beginner Mind Awesome. Also a nice pointing...’awareness aware of being awareness’

Are you aware? Are you aware, that you are aware? What in this entire world, is also aware? Is there awareness, and I, an ego, and a perceiver? Exactly how is there “the perceiver” in a body and or life? Literally explain that in detail, and you might realize there is only the story about it. It’s a thought story about a ‘me’. That’s what you’re focusing on, doing, and spending time on. There’s no “ego”. (Tough love ?) That’s just thoughts arising. That’s diet related, activity related, too-much-thinking & to-little-creating related. It has nothing whatsoever to do with ‘reality’. Believing the thoughts, there seems to be a ‘you’ “in time”, there seems to be “some other time”, other than now. No thing or event, namely awakening, “occurs once & a while”. That is a thought story - no time or place has ever been experienced but here - now. Anything & everything beyond that - “the past” - “the future”...it’s all thought story, thoughts being believed - about a “you”. You’re aware. Only awareness is aware. No thing else. You must = awareness. If there is a “second you” - write about “it” in detail, to uncover that there is not - it’s just thoughts. Awareness is aware -> of -> thought. There is no “thinking -> awareness”. That is not possible, has never, and will never happen. “You” will not be the first to do it. “You” is a thought, that (actually you) awareness is aware of. Thus, every single thought about yourself (which pretty much all of this thread is) is not, and can not be ‘true’, in the sense that the thought ‘says’ or describes anything about you whatsoever. There is absolutely no need to think about yourself. That is energy for creating the experiences, the ‘life’, that you actually want to create & experience. (Again, tough love, intention is to help ya see). There is no “those awakenings” “in my past”. There is no “separate self” which experienced or experiences “partial awakening”, “full awakening”, etc, etc. That is a thought story. That’s how you keep pretending there’s “an ego”, it has nothing whatsoever to do with - literally - anyone. The ‘thin’ / ‘thick’ ‘reality story’ - you want to feel more, love more, and think less, true? Recognize all of this is thoughts, thought stories, which amount to nothing more that thinking about yourself. You can not think about yourself - you are yourself, awareness. The tongue can not taste itself. The finger can not point to itself. “Trying not to” (sorry, tough love) equal avoiding feeling. Feeling is actually what is wanted. Avoiding feeling is suffering. Let that thought go. It’s the story about “the you”. You’re the awareness of those thoughts, about yourself. The thoughts are a mirage, they’re never actually going to be, about yourself. Believing they are does not make it so..... ....it just suppresses feeling....which is how you create suffering. Suffering is believing the thought stories about yourself, believing you’re in a “past”, will be in a “future”, etc. That is a thought. That is not, you. That is why it feels that way. That feeling is ‘coming from’ you, awareness, love. What you are seeking is feeling, while feeling is always arising, and is never not arising. Reacting to arising thoughts, without pause, is very subtle, yet is ample to keep feeling suppressed.....”while ‘you’ look for ‘it’. “What you seek is seeking you”. - Rumi That’s more thoughts, a thought story, about yourself, as if you were ‘separate’, ‘in time’. You’re nowhere! Now. Here. Now-here. You are the awareness, aware of those thoughts. You’ve never not been aware. You’ve never been anywhere but here. You’ve never been any time but now. What you can do is literally what you want to do......then a thought arises “I’m lost and trapped into this spiritual vicious circle’ arises.....and is believed reactionally, and you actually believe the ‘you’ thought about is actually ‘somewhere’, ‘trapped’. The vicious circle, is believing thoughts about yourself. There is also perception and feeling. It is effortless for awareness to be aware of feeling & perception. Effortless. Yes, feeling will arise, and you will feel, and you will no longer avoid or fear feeling, and much understanding will arise ‘behind’ that arising of feeling. This will require NO effort on your part whatsoever. The effort is all in the avoiding, reacting, suppressing, thought-story-ing, suffering & then trying to make ‘your self’ feel better. You already are yourself. You......can not make.....a “yourself”.....feel better. Good feeling is the default, is ever present. There is only to let go of the thought stories. Effortlessly. Same here. Hope something here is helpful, and not seen as anything else.

@Heaven Make a fist as strongly as you possibly can, and then uncontract the hand and shake it out. Then make a fist as softly as possible. Do it again, way way way softer. Notice there are degrees of contracting, or contraction, muscle wise. Breathe into your stomach, and as you do feel the breath go from the the stomach through out the rest of the body, in the inside of the body. Take a really big breathe into the stomach, as much air as you can. When you think you’ve taken in as much air as you can, continue and double it. Stretch the entire stomach & waistline, feel the air filling downward, front ward, backward, and up ward filling the entire stomach with as much air as possible. Then notice the tension. It’s likely there is a tensing when you do this, felt in the lifting of the shoulders, the back of the neck, the hips, the abs, and the bottom of the feet. When you let out the breathe, do so in a natural slow manor, feeling each of those ares, the entirety of the body, relax, like dropping and sinking into the general pull of gravity. Strong fist body doesn’t last long. Dropped gravity relaxed body can go all day and night. Feeling & thus knowing the difference is the key. Letting go is feeling, not a thought. Relaxation is feeling, not a thought.

@Endangered-EGO When you talk about yourself, who / what are you even talking about? When you talk about the ego, what are you even talking about? Are these ‘there’, or are you making the story up as you go? Not ‘some other time’, right now - what are you even talking about? What are you trying to accomplish with all this? Are you accomplishing anything? Or are you avoiding something?

You can not be happy and creating, you are happiness-creation-creating. To me it sounds like you have a concept of climbing a mountain, achieving enlightenment, clarity, truth. You were not born with such a concept, you were born of and as happiness-creation-creating. You do not seem to realize ‘it’ is always letting go, deconstructing, seeing through, untangling...vs perpetuating the story of a you and somewhere to get to. (You’re what’s creating that story, and you’re what’s experiencing precisely that.) There is much to let go of. If every time you gave me a dollar, I gave you ten - what percentage of your money would you give me?

No. I’d call it waking up to the actuality, the continuance of that you are creator-creation-creating. You’ve no shortage of curiosity already, and nothing is ever necessary, and there is no getting enlightened, there is no ‘for’ enlightenment. Drop that for what’s right in front of you - that which you are creating right now - that which is your life and all the experiences in it. Create that. Notice that. That isn’t letting go. That is causation, determinism, contingency, expectation, the tit for tat of a you... ‘if’.

@SamueLSD ? In this particular regard, this insight, or, revelation...imo...no. I wouldn’t suggest thinking about it or pursuing it at all. I’d let it go completely. I would be single pointed in the opposite, more foundational sense, with daily morning med, clean diet, aligning thought w feeling, using the dreamboard and co-creating the greatest life you can dream up. Knock your own socks off if you will, with this life as the creator you are.

@UNZARI Beautiful. More speech please.

@fridjonk ✊?

@Thought Art There’d still be infinity more of the love, I meant.

@Thought Art And there would be infinity more.

There really is no you. There really is no form. 5 hours a day of meditation is a potential red flag of life avoidance and could very well be preventing breakthroughs in an underlying self undermining way. Seeing unconscious is equally helpful. An ego sitting for a thousand years is still an ego. Use google and a pad of paper and actively deconstruct what a glass is. It’ll lead to qm’s, deconstructing the senses, emotions, etc. It’s not really about there being no glass, but there being no you. One of the most effective approaches (they culminate) is simply doing what the ego does not want. If ego says ‘I’m going natural’, take a psychedelic, if it says ‘I’m doing this myself’, talk to someone, etc. Arguably, the greater the variety of approaches, the broader the scope & quicker the breakthroughs, the deeper the embodiment, and the fewer pesky blind spots.

I don’t know about ‘too dangerous’ but if I didn’t think it was useful & helpful I wouldn’t be doing the work so to speak. I have talked with many who would have been much better off with some guidance in the front end, no doubt about that. I’ve seen years, lifetimes really, of misunderstanding, anguish & suffering resolved in an hour or so more often than I would have ever guessed. It’s ultimately always a one off, like snowflakes and water, which in large part makes for the difficulty but also the fun.

That is actually mind.

It’s related in the sense the behaviors and actions are not indicative of the entity or actuality of ‘who’ they are. Awareness is aware of awareness, and awareness is one source. ‘Two polarities’ labels rather than looking under the hood so to speak. It might be that if (when) medical insurance companies cover what an insured is experiencing, doctors will no longer need to label them in terms of identity for them to use their insurance coverage. This can be misperceived as problematic, as it is difficult to justify that a company is an individual entity when it is recognized a person it insures is not. Feel the nuanced distinction in terms of compassion...’my friend is bipolar / diagnosed bipolar’...’I am not bipolar’...vs ‘is experiencing bipolarity’...therefore ‘I am experiencing bipolarity’.

@SamueLSD I hear ya & what you’re asking. Rupert explains this perfectly well without contradiction. It is a central theme through all of his work. Similar to contemplation, the answer (and there is an answer) can only arise (or be heard) in the emptiness of letting the question & questioner go. What @arlin said is true. This is literally experiencing all shades of ‘mental illness’ directly and losing your mind. This equates to peace, actual sanity, rather than acquiring a lasting mental illness.

@zeroISinfinity The no bell for no one. ?

When subject object thoughts in regard to consciousness or God arise, like my consciousness, my level, my state...his / her consciousness, level, state...or thoughts generally that there is a me or I and also a source or God.. is there attachment / ego / monkey mind / concepts / theories around and or in addition to these thoughts, vs the apparent / illusory dualistic nature of thought already seen through and thus not even arising? If that is the case, there might simply not be anything missed, just the notion there is.

The speed of light is a mass conspiracy.

Yep.

Recognizing & understanding limiting beliefs of ‘separate selves’’ is expansive, not preventative. There is nothing to understand, much to let go of, and there is no opposition, no opposing force, no one stopping you but, “your self”. Go within rather than going without.

I would give this thread a read, spot what you know you don’t want as to how different facets of your life are now, then spot how the bridge is being identified with it. Notice when the mind go’s to ‘it’s just that I’m like that’, or, ‘it’s fine how it is’, when really it’s not fine to you, hence the thread. I think you’ll realize the dissonance is in thinking, and between thought & feeling, and is being compensated for with sexual activity / bodily pleasure, rather than going deeper within to realize the life changes you want. Write what it is you do want, let go of any limiting beliefs as they surface. Slowing down and contemplating more deeply is definitely key. Daily meditation comes to mind, and open mindedness. I’d really consider a solo retreat / trip & busting some general human paradigms.