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@VeganAwake Indeed. Meaning, importance, no meaning no importance, this & that, no this & no that, serious game of life, ‘underneath’, internal, all complete nonsense. All just “thinking”. Apparently. Holon.

I love you @Vision

What about changing attitude, habits, diet, behaviors, by letting go of beliefs, misunderstandings, misidentification and misinterpretations? I was there too, but I found this to be much more satisfying. The ‘juice’ of life you might say. Weird now that I think back on it. Literally didn’t occur to me to try psychedelics for the suffering. So I changed a lot. My diet, relationships, attitude, perspectives, work ethic, money psychology, etc, and it worked. It worked like some kind of miracle. Just went straight into that suffering William Wallace meditation like. Direct experience & the sharing of it wise, was surprised to find the ‘manic depression’ too was just more conditioning. One more label for me from a sleeper. Psychedelics were a hell of an icing on that cake! Good times.

Bless my heart, Bless my soul, I didn't think I make it, To 22 years old. There must be someone up above! Singing, “come on with me!” You gotta come on up! You gotta hold on. Yeah you gotta hold on. So bless my heart, And bless yours too. I don't know were I'm gonna go, Don't know what I'm gonna do. Well must be somebody up above! Saying. “come on with me!” You got to come on up! You gotta hold on. Yeah you gotta hold on. Yeah you gotta wait. Yeah you gotta wait. But I don't wanna wait! I don't wanna wait! So bless my heart. Bless my mind. I got so much I wanna do, and I ain't got much time. So must be somebody up above, Saying, “come on baby girl! You got to get back up!” You gotta hold on! Yeah you gotta hold on! Yeah you got to wait! Yeah you gotta wait! But I don't wanna wait!! No I don't wanna wait!! You've got to hold on When the world ain't treating you good. You gotta hold on When everybody lookin' at you funny. You gotta hold on. You gotta hold on.

Just Breathe. Yes, I understand that every life must end. As we sit alone, I know someday we must go. I'm a lucky man, to count on both hands the ones I love. Some folks just have one, others, they've got none. Stay with me. Let's just breathe. Practiced are my sins, never gonna let me win. Under everything, just another human being. I don't wanna hurt, there's so much in this world to make me bleed. Stay with me. You're all I see. Did I say that I need you? Did I say that I want you? Oh, if I didn't I'm a fool you see. No one knows this more than me. As I come clean, I wonder everyday, as I look upon your face. Everything you gave, and nothing you would take. Nothing you would take. Everything you gave. Did I say that I need you? Oh, did I say that I want you? Oh, if I didn't I'm a fool you see. No one knows this more than me. As I come clean. Nothing you would take. Everything you gave. Hold me 'til I die. Meet you on the other side...

When I walk beside her I am the better man When I look to leave her I always stagger back again ? Once I built an ivory tower So I could worship from above When I climb down to be set free She took me in again ? There’s a big A big hard sun Beating on the big people In a big hard world ? When she comes to greet me She is mercy at my feet And I, I see her inner charm She just throws it back at me ? Once I dug an early grave To find a better land She just smiled and laughed at me And took her rules back again ? There’s a big A big hard sun Beating on the big people In a big hard world ? Oh, there’s a big A big hard sun Beating on the big people In a big hard world ? When I go to cross that river She is comfort by my side When I try to understand She just opens up her hands ? There’s a big A big hard sun Beating on the big people In a big hard world ? Once I stood to lose her When I saw what I had done Bowed down and threw away the hours Of her garden and her sun ? So I tried to warn her I turned to see her weep Forty days and forty nights And it's still coming down on me ? There’s a big A big hard sun Beating on the big people In a big hard world In between the lines. ? In between the thoughts.

@blackchair Figuratively, it makes some sense I suppose. Literally, it makes perfect sense.

@VeganAwake Right, right. Holon.

@The Buddha How does one enlighten others? How do you know for sure reality is not already pure wakefulness? “Games, changes, and fears. When will they go from here? When will they stop? I believe that faith brought us here, and we should be together. But we’re not. I play it off, but I’m dreaming of you. I keep my cool...but I’m feeling.” Macy Gray What if you’re the only, the last holdout? How would you even know? If you woke up in love this morning, how would you know?

Yes, so connected in fact there’s no such thing as separation. Nothing’s necessary.

@r0ckyreed Great specific examples. There have been times I’ve wondered this as well. Anyone have any specific insights (as compared to ‘the final analysis’) in this regard? Like how was COVID actually created? How is that people do get poisoned? Could be productive or helpful in regard to progressive mutations, or an altogether ‘next covid’.

Important holon of the “puzzle”.

@Breakingthewall Right on. Hope it doesn’t sound as if I’m against psyche’s. It can take a while to let beliefs and conditioning go, no doubt. It’s a process and psyche’s are an out of this world tool. The want to know is easier going than the belief in the need to know. Discovery is more fun in this light.

How long does spiritual purification take? How long does thought attachment take? Examples...ego, ego backlash, I’m fucked up, my neurosis, I could become authentic (am not authentically me already), I could say that I am myself (already are thus it can’t be said), surfaces, identity, ego is robbing Happiness, you guys and your ego (not two), I could feel ok with a myself, problem, lack, self worth (you are not measurable), low self esteem (a thought & interpretation of yourself which doesn’t resonate but is believed anyways, thus missing you are yourself - not what the thought is about), that there is an I which could feel awesomeness (you = awesomeness). Why? Nothing’s wrong with you already. ? Inspect thoughts which feel like poop, rather than believing them about yourself thus misinterpreting feeling. Bring an end to the suffering. Motivation is thinking, it’s the avoidance of unwanted. Consider feeling - inspiration - the natural experience of focusing upon wanted and expanding this Love, that you are. The desire for hope is really un-checked thoughts of pessimism about your future. Thoughts which don’t resonate with the Being sought. Thoughts which can be let go, by no longer focusing upon them. Sounds boring, but actually liberates God.... Which Is this place, this reality, now. Without focus on a thought about myself, a past or a future, presence remains. Presence = contentment. The willingness to let go of what doesn’t resonate = being content with whatever is, right now, and only right now. Being non-condition focused, not-judging-anything focused, is contentment, which feels much better than pessimism. In the good feeling of contentment...perspective automatically changes. The source of perspectives is pure Goodness. Let a poop perspective go, God feeds you Goodness. You can not get it, or earn it. It’s unconditional and ever available, always. Which can rightfully be said to feel hopeful, which feels way better than contentment. In feeling hopeful, Good perspectives arise about your future, and you begin to believe them. You begin to feel optimistic. You begin to actually expect the future will unfold in a manor in accordance, in alignment, with how you feel. When you feel amazing, you’re un-mother-fucking-stoppable. And that is invigorating. That is knock-the-doors-off-this-place-nothing-can-stop-me awesomeness of you. That is passion. Before you now it, you start loving this whole “creating” “attracting” dealy. And that is joy. That is ‘why you came’. That is freedom. You are the creator of your reality. The tool for a creator is The Emotional Scale. After using it maybe, 10 to 20 times, the body mind does it on autopilot. “It” likes, and wants, the love & bliss too.

If it’s helpful, it’s helpful, if it’s “triggering” shoot me and or ignore. I suggest you can understand. That you must, or you’ll keep veiling yourself of yourself without recognizing how this is occurring. (I say this in the intention & sentiment of liberation, not judgment.) Because thought is un inspected, a thought arises that you need 5meo. By all means, of course, experience psychedelics. But also do yourself the solid of inspecting. As you do consider the wanting of the experience of psychedelics. No implication here, no ‘swaying’ either way. It’s yo bizness, respectfully. Each of us veils ourself now, or not at all. What is unveiled, is clarity. The veil, is thoughts. Only thoughts, thought attachment. Thought which is double negative is doubly confusing, for that which is pure goodness (you). This can be self spotted, and the spotting of it is the liberation of it. Then the “it” (subject object thought) can be spotted. When a memory is just a thought, experienced now, and is not believed (thought attachment) there is no longer the belief that there is an “it”. “It” is then clearly, a thought. Not a thought about you. A thought you (awareness, presence, now) are aware of. Then self referential thinking can be spotted. Then it seems silly to believe you could remember yourself...and you are awareness ever-present now. You are yourself. And thus can not think (or remember) yourself.

@Mosess “I do not know what power shapes my way, but my feet are set upon a road that I must follow.” - Moses ? ?

@sleep Godspeed. Yes, love to hear back from ya. ?

@Mosess Coulda just led with that you know.

@LastThursday What a refreshing thread man. Can I say that without it being validating, or taken to be implied as intended to be validating? ? I don’t know but it doesn’t seem so. But that’s just on me. Lol! Or reversed, and projected ‘back onto me’ that it is said for sake of self image inflation, for ego to be stroked as it is an “astute” or “genuine” or “insightful” ploy of a comment, and thus it can only be a seeking of validation? Is it arrogant on my part to even have used the quotations on... ‘back onto me’? L.m.a.o. Seems simple, like, “great thread, vulnerable comes to mind, from the heart, cutting the shit so to speak, a thread of a place of ‘real’ expression”. ....But then there is also the experience right now of realizing there isn’t even a clear knowing of what those emoji’s mean, or are intended to imply, if they even are intended to convey anything. Lol! What do emoji’s imply lol! I don’t know! I commonly think so but I don’t really have any idea. It initially seems like an extremely light shame oriented triple emoji, sort of eye roll like ‘get over yourself’, or ‘here he goes milking even the vulnerable thread’. Can’t stop laughing! Literally no idea what’s going on. Not adding an emoji now in an attempt to convey this laughter is lighthearted and that that isn’t in any disagreement or dissonance with having used the least popular word on earth, shame, in the explanation. But now I’ve said it twice! Lol! And now I’ve accused someone of “shaming”, the antithetical of the holy grail the format is made for!!!! The peace that surpasses all understanding, and yet doesn’t stop the show at all. Great thread dude.

The ‘better’ half of my posts are a vague rambling void of any actual insight or utilization. More an opportunity than a flaw, but accurate nonetheless.

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That question is like the original question. These can’t be answered, but only because the premise is an assumption. (That there are humans, and that there is already evil). Without the thoughts, in the clouds in the sky sense, the clear sky is readily absolute certainty. Knowing there is no evil is really more acutely knowing the love. Delusion naturally falls away and becomes light, and funny. Where then, is the evil, other than in thought? And what is not convinced? Right on. Stick with direct experience. Nothing is hidden. Reality is the Self, ‘it’s’ self evident. Sans only thoughts to the contrary. Reality can’t of course be found. Thoughts can be let go. True nature does what ‘it’ does. Fills ya up. Right on. Keep inspecting assumptions. Thought experiments are very helpful for shaken em out of the bushes. ??

There isn’t a separate self, there are self referencing thoughts. Thoughts which go unnoticed, “me”, “my”, “I”, “mine”, etc. This is thought attachment, or attachment to finite thoughts which identify, or, the finite mind. When these thoughts are inspected and seen through, it is nothingness, infinite intelligence, which see’s through. The trap at hand is the dualistic nature of the self referential thought attachment, combined with the narrative about said separate self “being nothing” and “being made” infinite intelligence. That is what’s already the very awareness of these un-inspected thoughts. “It” is actually you, and as such “it” is uncovered, by you. This is the greatest joy in all of life. TLDR: Without the thoughts to the contrary..... there’s just that which you’re asking about. This is reality, as in pointing to what is actual right now. No one could tell you what “these” are, because it’s you. If interested, meditation. ?

@Brandon Nankivell 1. Obviously there would need to be people first. This is self evident. 2. Also seems obvious. ?

It’d be most helpful imo to be aware of thought’s about a you going into nondual awareness.... ...the off shoot is believing thoughts about there being a “duality”, and a you identified with it. Paying attention, inspecting these thoughts, unravels the pattern, and uncovers “the now”, or presence, being. That veiling narrative happens literally one single thought at a time, always in the exact same now. Noticing it is effortless. “Body” is only the thought “body”. There’s no “ghost” in “a body” attached somehow. It’s thought attachment. Meditate daily, first thing in the morning. Again in the afternoon. Try telling the story of when “you first attached to the body”. Have a laugh. ? It’s a funny story when inspected, and having a laugh when spotted, it breaks the chain. Who’s that all about there? In a literal sense, who are you even thinking about? There’s no chest moving in & out of stuff. Nonduality isn’t some kind of haunting. Right now, awareness is aware. Inspect thoughts about yourself, about time, about nonduality & duality ?.