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@AdamR95 Regarding what was ‘seen’ in satori, how many of you are there? The thoughts that don’t feel good, are not about you. They’re about an idea of you, as a separate entity and physical object in time. So they feel, off. One way to go, is ‘oh, that thought feels off because I’m literally more fucking awesome than could be comprehended’. In a loose ‘organization’ sense, I refer to these as ‘self referential thoughts’. Makes it easier to spot them...as the awareness of them.

@goldpower123 There was a belief you need to be different (inner growth) and activity which satisfied it. But the belief in the first place might not have been addressed, and so it seems it came back around again. To add a little structure around the reference, it’s like skipping contentment when using the emotional scale.

@Flowerfaeiry Not adopting a belief is not a denial of what’s believed. That is btw precisely what it means, and not sure what these should’s of teaching is. ?

@Someone here Sorry to hear that man, I really am. Definitely been ‘there’ and I don’t take it lightly on your behalf. It sounds like you’re at or near “rock bottom”, which to me is an indication things are about to change. Op...Why is reality the way it is? It’s for your experience of it. It won’t make sense any other way. How do you feel about your vision of what’s unfolding, what’s to come, where your life is headed? Could you readily rattle of a list of ten things you want to experience? If not, what about twenty things & aspects you don’t want? And do those questions also bring to mind some specific conditions, like ‘yeah but first I have to change x, y and or z.....then I can focus on what I want’. ?

@fopylo It seems the way you keep adding in a perspective to what was said, a perspective which doesn’t feel good to you, is being done consciously, on purpose. If not, reading this thread would be a pretty easy way to become aware of it.

The difference between survival before enlightenment and survival after enlightenment is whatever thought is currently believed to be the difference.

Truth isn’t a problem. Far from it.

I’d say relaxed is about the same as contentment. Continuing on up the scale is up to you. Adding the duality of spiritual and un-spiritual emotion is unnecessary.

@Flowerfaeiry Body & need are thoughts. There’s nobody to poo poo no body.

What is your condition? As in... if I had X, if I was X, if X hadn’t happened, if X would happen, if someone would help me with X, if I realized X, if everyone else would just X, etc. What has to happen, what has to change, for you to be at peace, happy?

You think you do, but if you inspect a bit, you’ll notice you actually don’t. You are yourself. What this is really about, wether acknowledged now or later, is thought attachment and emotional suppression (intense spiritual bypassing). Might sound abrasive admittedly, but might save you years of suffering when you could be creating the life which is the dream within you too. Try to point to where it’s coming from. Wish you the best in any case. If souls, demons, etc is your thing per se, Godspeed brother.

There isn’t even an other side of that wall.

@ThaOreoBoros Other than human imaginings, like books and movies, what is your direct experience of demons? This is probably a much better opportunity to question & inspect direct experience vs abstractions of thought. There aren’t individual entities at all, human, demon, elves, you, me, or otherwise.

@fopylo Look at the scale, and start with the emotion you are currently experiencing. No need to “push thoughts aside”. Just refocus on breath. Don’t expect “effects”. Ecstasy isn’t uncomfortable. Overwhelming is on the scale. Start there.

Beautiful! Welcome to the forum. ??

It’s why you call suffering, suffering. If the true nature weren’t happiness, you won’t feel the discord with it. Explanation won’t do for what is prior, simple, obvious, self inherent. Not. Two. “I” is a thought. How could a thought suffer? Pain is of creation, creation is made of being, pain is love. Suffering is of identification, thoughts, ‘with’ the finite mind. Right. To “you”. Which is not a you, but is a thought. Can’t suggest enough, a deep dive into the work of Rupert Spira. Nothing exists - it’s literally up to you. I am it, and can not define myself. At Godspeed (slow). Inspect what you’re saying, what you’re actually talking about. What is “end”, what is “it”, what does “permanent” mean? More, much more importantly - who gets to tell you what’s possible? Why would you listen.

Really question that “achieve” approach / perspective. The thought inherently implies true genuine happiness is not already your true nature, and that there is a you and an it, such that you could obtain it. There is no implication otherwise, of a denial of suffering and pain. This is not a cup -> ☕️. “Cup” is a thought... not perception. The thought “perception” can be peeled away as well. Google, research what Siddhartha had to say about the distinction between pain & suffering. The former is of this place, to a large but not absolute degree, and the latter... one makes up on the fly (thought attachment to ‘me’, ‘my’, ‘mine’ narration) mistaking thoughts for perception, and thus one’s self (so to speak) for a thing or object... which literally do not exist. The only “place” separation is found - is in your (so to speak) thoughts. Notice the shockingly obvious absolute oneness of perception (without thoughts being believed). Reality is ‘the way it is’... because of ‘your’ interpretation. What about without interpretation (thoughts)? Then the true nature begins to reveal itself, and shloads of magic, sense, and what you desire ensues. Don’t believe me though, that’s just another thought. @allislove ?

@Najim ? There is only now. Source appears as the ground meeting the footstep, and the memory arising in mind. Creator creating creation. Focus is pure magic. As it is directed, in kind more is experienced. We are authoring creation with via focus. We are the very unfolding of the universe.

On the pitfalls & traps; delusion, materialism, spiritual ego and blasphemy. "Royals" I've never seen a diamond in the flesh I cut my teeth on wedding rings in the movies And I'm not proud of my address In a torn-up town, no postcode envy But every song's like gold teeth, Grey Goose, trippin' in the bathroom Blood stains, ball gowns, trashin' the hotel room We don't care, we're driving Cadillacs in our dreams But everybody's like Cristal, Maybach, diamonds on your timepiece Jet planes, islands, tigers on a gold leash We don't care, we aren't caught up in your love affair And we'll never be royals (royals) It don't run in our blood That kind of luxe just ain't for us We crave a different kind of buzz Let me be your ruler (ruler) You can call me queen Bee And baby I'll rule, I'll rule, I'll rule, I'll rule Let me live that fantasy My friends and I—we've cracked the code We count our dollars on the train to the party And everyone who knows us knows that we're fine with this We didn't come from money But every song's like gold teeth, Grey Goose, trippin' in the bathroom Blood stains, ball gowns, trashin' the hotel room We don't care, we're driving Cadillacs in our dreams But everybody's like Cristal, Maybach, diamonds on your timepiece Jet planes, islands, tigers on a gold leash We don't care, we aren't caught up in your love affair And we'll never be royals (royals) It don't run in our blood That kind of luxe just ain't for us We crave a different kind of buzz Let me be your ruler (ruler) You can call me queen Bee And baby I'll rule, I'll rule, I'll rule, I'll rule Let me live that fantasy Ooh ooh oh We're bigger than we ever dreamed And I'm in love with being queen Ooh ooh oh Life is great without a care We aren't caught up in your love affair And we'll never be royals (royals) It don't run in our blood That kind of luxe just ain't for us We crave a different kind of buzz Let me be your ruler (ruler) You can call me queen Bee And baby I'll rule, I'll rule, I'll rule, I'll rule Let me live that fantasy

‘Matter’ is a vibrational appearance of you...you literally matter. Nothing. Still thinkin there’s a ‘you’. What matters ‘you’...some ‘not you’? How are you killing thoughts? That doesn’t make sense. Perhaps there thought attachment at play, such that it is believed labelling creates separate things? All of this believing of thoughts just to maintain the facade of the separate self (suffering).

The dissonance is two. There is no control or not-control, there are the thoughts that there is or isn’t, control. ‘Dichotomy’ is the wool for the eyes to believe the dualistic finite mind. One appears as t?.

A belief is a thought repeated.

If all is imagination, dream stuff, clearly there are no separate individual enlightened ones. The experiential difference between belief & truth, is one is the truth. No separate selves = no deaths of no ones.. And no wheres. And no anothers. And no ‘separate things’ ‘held together’ by some other thing. Look at ‘your hand’ for example. Obviously nothing is holding ‘it’ together. An appearance starts and stops just like a mirage. ?

As above so below. The more you know your true nature, the more you see why everything is exactly as it is.

Listen to the cringe, what is it saying about the thought (the one about comparing yourself to others and deriving the idea that you are less smart). Feeling & intuition might be saying oh hell no bruh. You might be on the right track, and those you’re comparing yourself to might be asleep in a clueless slumber of non-inspection & non-inquiry....but you gotta abide in feeling rather than label it. One’s cringe is another’s infinite intelligence, sensational guidance. “Not smart enough” don’t jive with creating & experiencing what you desire to. You’re total fuckin awesomeness Phyllis. Feel the discord of any doubt with that. Feel the alignment with truth too.