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Holy shit, they already gotcha.

Why do you want to?

@ilja Learning by experience is great, but I wouldn’t expect evangelical to by philosophical. From what I’ve experienced it’s similar to Catholicism, in that the underlying point is that church in the authority in regard to the interpretation of the Bible, and therefore morality, etc. Also, did I understand you correctly... one visit and judgment is interpreted as a feeling, and you are glad to feel shame...?

@roopepa Yes! ??

No, it means it’s consciousness. ?

Yes. It’s the default.

That. Is. It. Crazy deep, unthinkably basic, literally One singularity. Here is the greatest teacher of nonduality on earth today... “ I “ is a thought. “ the mind “ is a thought. This is the appearance. It’s this. (Perception) The illusion is that there is a separate self, from believing thoughts like “I”, “me”, “my”, “mine”, etc. Love is what’s appearing as “the thoughts”. Love appears as the thought “ I “ and believes it. How funny is this? (Talking about the bassist, in case that wasn’t obvious) Hell of a user name btw. ?

@OneHandClap If I asked if that fear feels great or not great, you’d say not great. If I asked if that thought feels great or not great, you’d say not great. There is a pointing occurring there, to, that which is Great, the Goodness that Is. The confusion then would be the claim that fear is a feeling. The truth would therefore have to be that fear is a thought, which does not resonate with feeling, which is unconditional love. The conditions of fear, alone, loneliness, and other... are thoughts... not resonating with the very love.

@mandyjw Exactly. As if the light were “making it’s way” to earth.

Yes, exactly. Even more so, love is being, love = being (vs ‘the ground of’), two words pointing to one actuality. The illusion is that there is a separate self which loves, or is loved. The confusion is due to the duality of language. As example, “I love my guitar”. That I, the guitar, and the experience therein, is love. People ‘fall in love’. Does gravity?

Life is the dream. Make a dreamboard. You’ll directly experience the miracle of what’s on your board showing up in reality. Then, for having listened to the nighttime dreams, rather than trying to stop them, you will inevitably no longer experience nighttime dreams at all, let alone nightmares. Not. Two.

If it were true it’d feel amazing, like Truth. Free will is a thought. No free will is a thought. You can focus on either. You can also deny this, experience the discord, the ‘off ness’ in feeling, and insist you’re right nonetheless. You’re free to do that. I’d pick happiness over righteousness, but that’s just me.

No. ‘Breakthrough’ is a thought like ‘God’ is a thought. ‘Breakthrough’ only serves to point to that there are not two. THAT IS HOW FUCKING BRILLIANT YOU ARE. You were right, that did feel really nice.

When focused on what we don’t want, there indeed is an experience in which we very much need something or someway to calm ourselves. Some way of coping with the discord of the actuality of being creators. Some say the solution is focusing on what we do want, but that doesn’t make any sense because of the problem.

@ilja Apparently, yes.

Inspiration.

Creating / believing dualities and conundrums and expecting there to be answers & solutions is like throwing pennies down a wishing well and waiting for something to come back up. Solving just isn’t how the creating well works. The well has nothing to solve. Leave that in meditation, vs taking those conditions on your trips to the unconditional. Psychedelics are great, but they are still an appearance of mind. You can experience the appearance indeed and it can be most helpful for sure, but you can also address mind directly. In a trip, and ‘otherwise’, you can not experience the loss, of what you do not believe is yours. Namely, love. If love is not a possession or product of any duality, what could ever be said to be lost? And then, what is “fear”?

Another approach is to consider the opposite of “how is God deluding itself”. Loosely, the opposite of delusion could be understanding, and the opposite of God deluding itself would be God is not deluding itself. (The opposite being illusion would be fun to explore as well) What if God is not deluding itself at all, that being an assumption, and the delusion is that of possessing understanding... (about God)? God would then believe there is something it doesn’t understand which it needs to understand - so that it isn’t deluding itself - about it being, God. But, everything there could be said to be understood, would already be, God. Then understanding pales to inspecting thought attachment, or, beliefs about there being objects and individuals which are not God. That there is something to understand, and that understanding is a possession... would then be seen as a dualistic belief, (understander and understanding, aka my understanding, my delusion, like my intelligence, or my awareness) and without that belief could there still be delusion? Who or what remains which could be deluded, and by what separate thing, object, self or being, could God be deluded by? I suppose the dilemma is God can sometimes appear to not be able to decipher between itself and experience, yet Truth is the greatest inspector of itself, as it can not begin to inspect itself. But there is nothing wrong (imo) with the experience.

Imagine vr a few hundred years from now. No screen, just the goggles, and poof, you’re a sim in the game. Maybe a year or two, hard to say.

I completely absolutely understand you. I don’t understand you at all. What difference was made? Other examples of infinite being being thoughts... me...understanding...you...I.

It is not just a word game. “It doesn’t really matter if you call reality ‘reality’ or ‘illusion’”...already assumes there is a reality, which is and is being called this or that, something, everything, physical, etc. It’s also just a word game. Awareness hides right under the thoughts about awareness.

Try physically pointing to the ego which seems to have come back again. Also look for it in feeling. Bring clarity to that this isn’t actual. It’s thoughts about it being actual. Inspect the validity of thoughts like “I reached this enlightened state”. That implies duality, twoness, that there is an enlightened separate self. That’s understandable and common given the path you mentioned. Add thought inspection. Byron Katie is a great resource. Also search the forum for @faceless and read his profile / comments. It’s very helpful in seeing these ‘movements’ of thought which become beliefs, which become the veil you’re referring to. When you know what you don’t want you know what you do want. There’s an art to being swift in changing focus to what you do want. Sometimes we dwell in what we don’t want, focusing on what does not feel good or inspiring. Inevitably we shift to focusing on what we do want. Often this is a years long, months long, weeks long, days long, hours long, minutes long learning curve of feeling discord & alignment, until it is a conscious seconds long shift of focus. Motivation runs out as its based on self image, or, how you’re seen (the motive). Inspiration never runs out, as it’s based on experiencing what you want, not what you think you want, or what you think other people want. Yes, that ‘what is right’ is thoughts about what other people think. It can’t pan out since you never experience what other people think. You’re at the ‘tree of the knowledge of good & evil, right & wrong’. You’re feeling the burn. Go to the tree of life, of focusing on and creating what you want. There is ultimately no ‘method of setting my head straight’. That is like using a hammer of psychology and doing, when only no mind will ‘do’. Thought detachment can not be thought. Self referential thoughts which are thoroughly inspected no longer arise. “Bit by bit”, the busied ruminating mind becomes silent, or more specifically, the silence was being the rumination. Rumination is fueled by uninspected & yet understood emotion. Understanding emotions experienced is no longer identifying as and the self referential thinking dissipates and fizzles out. It seems like it’s about the content of thought, the ‘boringness’ of the job, the challenge and work of ‘your own business’...but it’s not. It’s about the attachment with thought. Getting away for a few days would be ideal. Out of your typical environment, surroundings, interested, and patterns. Just you and only you will do, not the thoughts and activities believed to be yours, or define or reflect you. Youness naturally rises whenever not being the busy activity of thought, as there are not two. The perspective, in it’s discord with feeling, zaps the energy. Zoom out and see the bigger picture. This is not a waste of time to get to that, this is directly the way to that, this is that already unfolding. The point is the experience. Making present experience a means to an end sucks the joy out of present experience. This is fine. That is fine. Don’t believe this is lessor than that, and you feel fine. Sometimes it’s just good to flat out call oneself out on one’s excuses and bs. No offense. I mean that in that you’ll benefit from recognizing thought attachment, self referential beliefs. Nothing’s been taken away. What’s experienced imo, is what’s being added, in terms of thoughts, which could be let go. Yes, it’s the belief you need to do anything at all. That isn’t true. It’s a belief. You’re so free to do what you want, that you’re missing that is already the case. Remember... you chose all this. Remember why. Again, getting away for a few days is most ideal. There are no ‘problems’. We sometimes get too zoomed in, and develop an apparent reluctance to zoom out. Zoom out though. Put things down for a few days. Goodness always arises like a cork which is no longer held underwater. Letting go is directly experiencing this. Inspiration. As sure as there is the experience of gravity, it is intrinsically the true nature to rise. Don’t think it, feel it. Feel the gravity right now. Sink into it. Let your worries go into it. Relax so deeply that you let your body and thoughts dissolve into it, such that there is no longer apparent, or notions of separation. I hope this word is taken as helpful and not used as a way of beating up on yourself...but... welcome to arrogance and pride. It’s a bitch, but only if you resist the truth, which is that you never had shit, and you thus never lost shit. You’re believing these thoughts now... about experiencing the gaining and losing... but you are not actually experiencing any gaining or losing. Yes. Again, there is no substitute for thought detachment. All which seems to be is just more thoughts. There is a thought story, a narrative, to be inspected, about you and your enlightenment. You’ve never moved, literally. It’s all a thought story about yourself, getting enlightenment, which doesn’t exist. You = existence. Thinking of a you which sometimes is and sometimes is not enlightened, is just thinking there’s a you and an enlightenment. There wasn’t an object or state had... there was an entirely different relationship so to speak, in regard to alignment of feeling, thought, and focus. Psychedelics didn’t change this, but you thought & think, they do. Mind always wins. Now always wins. Stories about you & a past never win. Win = presence, now, here, not in a thought story about your enlightened self. Yes. Stop believing there’s “a subconscious”. That’s believing there’s ‘this other thing’ which you’re not conscious of. Align thought with feeling. Never attempt to align feeling to thought. “Subconscious” is a cover story when attempting to align feeling to thought, as if it worked that way. It’s already the case, and also there is a thought narrative about yourself veiling. Instead of focusing indirectly on thoughts of yourself, your story, and what you want... recognize what you want is feeling. These ‘two’ are the same. What you want, you want, because of how it feels. There’s no use, need, or practicality to thinking about yourself. Feeling is not coming from anything you’re experiencing, but you sometimes believe it is. Like, ‘when I have x, when I achieve y, when I obtain z... then I’ll be happy, feel better’. The cosmic joke. Physically point to the source of feeling to get the punchline. ? Watch The Wizard Of Oz. For real. Take the time to watch it. Then watch Hoosiers. Contemplate the deep messages of these movies.

You can desire to know the truth, like you know the English language. Once the English language is known, you could move on to desiring to know Spanish, French, etc. But you can also desire to know what desire is, which in a sense would be the opposite direction, in regard to ‘knowing’ ‘stuff’. Thoughts can also be inspected. Specifically in regard to believing, thinking, and speaking, as if there were two of you and also a truth. Nirvana is in the details. Inspecting thoughts of subject object relating, is bursting bubbles of goodness, of the oneness that you are. This is (so to speak) a movement away from experience is like, and experiencing as... this & that’s, this way & that way’s... desire is this or that...and toward pure liquidity, poisitionlessness, true nature, desire itself. Believing desire is separate of you is never going to pan out. There is a reaction and projection that is sometimes experienced. As an example, the experience of someone who is not beating up on themself inner monologue wise. The reaction & projection might be ‘they have good genes’, ‘they’re enlightened’, ‘they’re lucky’, ‘they’re gifted’, ‘they’re talented’, or a million other potential ‘they are’s’. When one finger is pointing at they, three are pointing at the creator, and at what the thought is really about. The response though, imo, is understanding emotion and the true nature, and jealousy, and would be more ‘what I want is ______’, and then just keep filling in that blank. Don’t try to be without desire, it only separates and leads to getting stuck in self referential thinking (the ‘one’ with or without desire’). You are the greatest creator of all time. Look at the sky, listen to the birds. Desire is not an experience, desire is not created. Desire is creation, is experience, is life. In aligning thought with feeling, you can know some things about your true nature (imo)... you favor creating, experiencing, being, togetherness, and life.

Inquiry / inspecting what is.

Realizing your preference, your work is done. No more thinking, like what is significant or insignificant is needed. Let expectations go, as they limit interpretation. A wide open curious, interested, enthusiastic mindset is ideal. Raise your vibration in closer proximity to that which appears as what you’re focusing on.