Shin

There is a post every 2 weeks saying the same thing in the first section of the forum. I don't see the point of spamming the forum with those. It's realistic to hope that Leo change his behavior with threads like those, but the entire forum ? Every people who comes here ? That's wishful thinking (at best)

One of the best ld I ever had I was talking to a girl. This girl was both me, not me, literally everything and also nothing. It was like talking to myself, and the sentience of that girl transcended the duality real/not real.

I know what you're talking about, but that doesn't prove there is no free will. Nothing can prove that untill you have a leap in consciousness and realize the contrary, and even then, maybe you still didn't realize everything there is to realize My humble and useless assumption, is that free will and no free will are limited experiences, and that God transcends both, and is therefore impossible to communicate

I can do that, even longer, doesn't prove anything except lots of concentration meditation

Only flew as a spaceship in outer space so far, would be cool to be an owl

See the problem here ?

What if that fear is exactly what would make you more conscious ?

In my experience the only way to not fear something is to go through the fear and do exactly what you fear. If you have any other way to hack that, good, but imo you're fooling yourself. You're just stalling the inevitable with clever excuses ?

If you can logic the answer out of that question then good for you From my point of view that's a huge waste of time though

It's an illusion for you, not for us. You're trying to explain what colors are like to blind people and are pissed because we don't understand

Better arguments wouldn't really answer the question. It doesn't do anything if you changed your mind about that, it wouldn't change even if you were extremely open minded to the idea. It's the kind of thing that can only be understood through direct experience, not rationalization and logic.

Do it, it's amazing Opens your mind so much too

Sure does feel like it from here

I could argue that it's your need to feel in control that is at play, which comes from an emotion. We can go on all day with this

What if I told you you think you need to do that in order to not awaken right now ?

What do you think you have to do, or change about yourself to deserve it ?

Debunking is felt as a way to give justice to the people who are mislead by people who abuse other people. What those people don't understand, is that they are putting everyone in the same basket, fake guru and real, because they can't fathom that spirituality is something that is real, and way above their rational thinking. It's the same ego mechanism that a blue fundamentalist will use to demonize an orange person (and vice versa), and green demonize orange (and vice versa). Instead of seeing that they are at a different stage of consciousness, they see them as crazy, stupid and manipulative, whether they are below or above in the consciousness evolution process. You can only clearly see this (and stop doing it yourself) when you are yellow and above.

You said those points are "ridiculous" and easy to disprove. Hence you already have your opinion about them.

If you're really open minded, you actually don't know if this is true or not Be more open minded

That should help.

The horror

It's not gonna do any of the things you mentioned. You really need to go deep to get those kind of things. You'll go there only if you want to, or if you are careless and go way deeper than you can handle. Once you open the pandora box there is no turning back though, so you're right to be cautious.

So you're not even moving, it's like the Worlds moves in You, and you in it.

Because you imagine space