How to be wise

@Nahm Thank you for the turnaround. An example would be Rick Archer. He says that he has been doing transcendental meditation for 25 years without any lasting benefits. I’ve heard Byron Katie talk about people she did The Work with who have been meditating for 30 years prior to this, and they still attach to thoughts. Then there are all the people who go to vippassana retreats and are still not enlightened. I’m not fully sure about this, but that’s how I’ve understood it from these people. If you know differently, please fill me in.

@Nahm But how do you explain the fact that many people have been meditating for thirty years without getting any lasting non-dual insights? Well, at least that’s what I’ve been hearing.

@Leo Gura I’ve watched it many times. Thank you very much. @Serotoninluv Thank you. Yes, I noticed that my shyness came from the fact that I held a story about what the people are thinking and trying to do. Without that story, I would just be loving them. You’re a kind man, serotonin love. ?

I agree that meditation can put you in a space where you’re detached from thoughts, but can it bring it over to your everyday experience? That is the question.

@Aakash The Work of Byron Katie.

@tenta Less that 0.1%, according to the book ‘Spiral Dynamics.’

@Aakash @Serotoninluv @Leo Gura Thank you for sharing

@TheAvatarState you’re right

@ivankiss You’re right. The mind shouldn’t be seen as an enemy.

@Truth Addict Sorry for discrediting the Quran. I was wrong. Btw, the story of Namrud is unrelated with the first story you showed. They happened at different times.

@VictorB02 I see you as a kind man

All of language is an illusion. All words are merely pointers. Discard the pointers. @ivankiss The mind cannot be trusted. Anything that comes out of the mind is automatically false. Keep that in mind!

@Igor82 Thank you for sharing!

@Truth Addict I would suggest that you don’t place too much importance to the Quran. It’s not a very clear guide to enlightenment.

@VictorB02 Thank you for trying to help us.

@ivankiss Is that based on your awareness or your mind?

But isn’t Green also openminded to diverse perspectives? For example, Green intellectuals.

@bejapuskas His body language just shows how confident and loose he is with his body. The problem is that we have been stifled by society and to ‘act normal’ that we have limited our movements to that of a robot. If you let go of all fear to look normal, how would you act? The way you wanted. You would jump around, pounce around the way you felt.

@Bluebird I’m happy for you.

@Shakazulu Yes, if you are doing it without any internal friction, it means you are following your integrity.

@Serotoninluv Thank you

There are six conditions which need to be met before permanent change up the Spiral can happen. They are: 1. Potential: How open are you to new ideas about the next MEME. 2. Solutions: Have you solved the Problems that were raised by your current MEME. Notice that every MEME brings its set of problems that need to be solved before you can move up. 3. Dissonance: You need to feel the limitations of this MEME. You need to see the negative side of this MEME, and to be unsatisfied with it. This cannot be faked. You actually need to learn about all of the problems that this MEME cannot solve, and be aware of it. 4. Insight: Learn that the limitations that you found in the current MEME can only be solved by the ideas of the next MEME. Become aware of this, and learn about how the next MEME can help you. Become encouraged by the next MEME. 5. Barriers: Is there anything stopping you from moving up. Maybe you live in a household where the next MEME’s ideas will not be accepted. Maybe you haven’t felt enough dissonance about your current MEME. Maybe you don’t know enough about the next MEME. Either way, any problem stopping you from moving to the next MEME must be dealt with, or at least neutralised. It cannot carry on being a problem. 6. Consolidation: You will need some time of support when you move to the next MEME. You’re still quite uncertain about the massive change that you just made. You will need somebody to help you when you are new to the MEME. There is every chance that you will slip back to the previous MEME without this consolidation. Moving up the Spiral is a very delicate matter. Those six conditions can really save you a lot of time.

@Krisena Thank you for sharing Yes, you could be right. Don Beck says that if the six conditions are met, change up the spiral may happen. Yes, I don’t understand the GREEN needs. But for example BEIGE needs are food, water, and shelter. PURPLE needs are a safe place to belong. RED needs are self expression. BLUE needs are a higher purpose. ORANGE needs are success. Unless the person at ORANGE obtains some success, he will be unable to move up to GREEN.

@Preetom Thank you my friend!

These days when I am doing The Work, I feel this sense of emptiness when I let go of a ‘story.’ Also my arms and stomach physically hurt when I am in the process of questioning a long held ‘story.’ Has anybody else experienced physical pain/emptiness whilst doing self-inquiry/meditation? How do you deal with it?