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(Here speaks the heretic:) Customize the course. Maybe the question list you got stuck on is not the right exercise for you. You've had motivation to work on your values, maybe you'll have motivation to find your zone of genius too. Try doing as much as the course as you can right now, because otherwise you'll end up in the trap described by Moreira. Try doing the course and find something you can do on your own, without an employer. Try doing the course and find out if you're studying the right thing. (Is your studies genuinely the most meaningful? Only you can know). Try finishing the course so that you know how you want to contribute, what change you want to achieve. Then start going in that direction. It will be harder once you work 9-5.

Byron Katie writes in her book how she went to prisons. It seems that worked a bit.

Indeed (now one solid orange). I wonder if the polarized description of stages is off-putting for people so they don't like to identify with the stages. It's also natural that everybody has both collectivist and individual sides. With orange... nobody will know and admit their relationships are shallow - you only see that in hindsight. Also all of us are at least slightly aware of the world's problems - does that move everybody into green a bit? Probably not. I'm sure there are orange people resonating with Leo's yellow content here. With green, well, it doesn't sound appealing from the description ... or maybe they genuinely don't resonate with Leo. Or maybe everybody wants to see themselves as transitioning and not stuck?

The thing is ... a I believe @Nahm was saying ... as you grow you will both see the things that could bring change in a very different light, AND become more able to lead by example. It is great that you post these questions in your opening post. Most people have given up mostly, and/or are delusional about what's truly the best arrangement. Whatever answers you may have, keep questioning them, checking how realistic they are and improving them, and even as you do a lot of it, realize that you still can't have the whole perspective. I started a similar topic a while ago. I also didn't get many answers, but I understood that there's better chances in being more specific about what I want to change. Leo's video on marketing also answered some of my questions. It talks about why winning people's attention is so difficult, it was rather eye-opening. Try to look around for people who are open-minded and also realize that their idea of "progress" or "self-actualization" could be very different (from yours and Leo's point of view) and get open-minded yourself. Are you in a big city? Go to different places, talk people and mention your ideas now and then to see if anyone resonates. As an idea, try visiting a local sci-fi fanclub. The people there will be mostly orange and delusional, but every now and then a person that resonates with real big picture thinking is to be found, a writer or a community activist perhaps. Plus, we are all weird

Right, I mean, the "Unknown" is a joke, not the quote.

Yeah, likely, it's a joke @Leo Gura I love the way you illustrate "the greatest levels of human development" on Star Wars and Star Treck What do you think of Ester Hicks? She's confusing to me because the "law of attraction" certainly seems to deny reality, but she does have an uncommon level of emotional mastery and understanding the human.

Yeah, trying to apply the model on my mom actually makes me doubt it a lot

@DocHoliday Huh, why would you put in four shades of blue and no orange-green mixture? Biased? My parents are hard to peg. My dad is a scientist. Not being in reaction against the other tier-one stages, he's the best kind of orange -- sadly not aware enough of his own emotional world to move to real green. I'd say my mom is blue-green mostly, having green compassion but lacking spirituality, with an orange rational world-view but in heavy reaction against orange libertarianism and marketing, with some blue limiting ideas about how life is supposed to be. Their shared values would be a stable love for each other, work and responsibility, pragmatism, an ethics that includes solidarity with others. So it's a real mixture of all colors.

I posted her in the Green thread. I do think she as a person is beyond green, but her teaching seems to target green people.

I just came across a video by Shinzen Young about depersonalization/derealization in meditators, I wonder if it's relevant to you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zIKQCwDXsA

@Leo Gura Leo, how does it also map individual development then? Should we really, as individual people, try to get to the next stage? I've been observing quite a bit and it doesn't seem to fit. Yeah, sometimes someone is a typical example of a set of cultural values of a stage. But a good theory of individual development should be valid across cultures and ages. Spiral dynamics is clearly only valid in our time. And quite a lot of people don't fit it at all, because they combine all the influences. I thought I had my blue-orange transition at age 24, then I remembered how I've had had green values at the age of 9. There are no clear stages in people.

Go learn to speak in a captivating way like Jordan Petterson, telling a handful of stories every three minutes and making stuff relevant to your audience while showing genuine care. (And also, be a uni professor.) You'll get the following no matter how flawed your teaching. Until that, stop bragging. He's a great speaker, that's what he is. And he's got a firm grasp on a few things. It's hard to distinguish bullshit from truth in a charismatic speaker.

Maybe the point is ... they are not as clearly separated for a lot of women (and a lot of men who are in touch with emotions, no doubt). To get a "I want to fuck" feeling based only on looks ... yeah... that's quite rare for me. And even if I do, if I than see the guy do something disrespectful ... the attraction will just vanish *poof*. That quick. On the other hand, I can go on fantasizing about a guy because he's clever. Or some average dude suddenly becomes attractive to me because he's handled a situation in an admirable way. See, I can't separate sexual and romantic attraction clearly. Somewhat, yeah. I can't speak for all women obviously. Nor am I the woman these guys are after when they seek casual sex. So feel free to disregard, just please make a mental note "oh, for some people there's no such thing as looks=attraction sex drive".

I "converted" one excited friend who already was into PD to deal with his panic attacks. He went on listening to Leo's guided meditaitons. I shared the very first spiral dynamics video on my facebook recently. A few people seemed mildly interested (someone pointed me to Haidt moral foundations theory for comparison), one of them debated stage green with me and said I might have helped him in finding the purpose of life, so that was kinda a success One said he can't listen to that guy (asked about reading material), a few said it's bullshit. A dear friend of mine went to great lengths to (say it's shit in an elaborate way) argue spiral dynamics. He had real good counterarguments. I've shared the "Do nothing" meditation in the past, because it was breakthrough for me. I got almost no reactions. My more sceptical friends will say Leo is shit, not intellectually rigorous enough (I tried sharing the video where he explains the web of beliefs with some people I wanted to "get it"). They're kinda right but also miss the point (unless it's us who's missing their point). Generally, most people won't go on listening to all of Leo , but they might be interested in a topic or two. And a lot of them will be annoyed by the form rather than the content, which is ok, really. I'm annoyed by a lot of other (more new-agey, less smart) teachers too.

Teal Swan had some comments on this that resonated with me, I wonder if they might resonate with you too. Some of them appeared on this Prague video. Watch the last person, starting at 1:31:-- ... (maybe just the first 10min or so). Is that you?

Maybe ... sit with the feeling of being triggered? Leo may be above you. Or, he may in fact be wrong about this. Or, you may have misunderstood what he's saying and actually you're not in much of a disagreement. Or, you are in a disagreement regardless of your levels, because your choice of values is largely arbitrary. Why is any of this particularly triggery? If you follow the feeling, where does it lead you? A belief? An emotional wound? It's an opportunity for exploration.

Entertaining activities with friends, that do not involve (much) alcohol. I like singing best. Does any kind of socializing work for you?

It's complicated. I may be yellow intellectually, but my life reflects orange-green in values.

For example, investigative reporters seem to be pretty adventurous people. But I don't get the sense you're after something really dangerous.

I've just finished reading Mark Manson's book, and I think it's like a textbook for the yellow way to make values and meaning. He's stressing how everyone is choosing their values themselves. It's hard to find a yellow video because he's marketing to orange people (see bellow), but here's his blogpost on self-awareness , which seems quite yellow to me. Manson (to me) seems like yellow with some remnants of orange and kinda skipping green (though I'm sure that he's lived a lot of cultural relativism while traveling). He mentions a lot of examples in his writing of how he used to be stage orange and how he's transcended that kind of thinking, but does not write much about green. I wonder about that - is he like a yellow intellectual with some other pats of his psyche stuck in the orange-green place, or is that just the chameleon thing? I resonate with @molosku's question a lot, and I think being intellectually somewhere else then emotionally may be a partial answer. What I observe in a lot of my friends is, that in our society it's quite easy to have access to yellow thoughts and become a nuanced thinker if you're university-educated and value learning. What's not so easy is getting a handle on your emotions, the necessary self-awareness, being in touch with spirituality, really feeling compassion/unity deep into the core of your being, abandoning the pursuits of success and social status. This is all part of embodying green and yellow. So then we get a lot of people who are up-to-date with their yellow intellect, but at various degree of ignorance in the rest of their personalities. I don't know either if you have to go out and actually try to change the world in an activist's way to fully realize the limitations of green, though (To get a taste, after watching the videos I now peg myself yellow intellectually, ~ green in my emotionality and kinda bumping my head against the limitations of orange with my career and lifestyle.)

Well... you'll likely also not very sensitive to the requirements made on you, or you've found a niche where these are minimal. I'm doing a phd and I'm like really bothered by the grant system, the pretense you have to put up writing a motivation letter (my today's task) and such.

I love pointing out blind spots (Most fascinatingly it sometimes works even if I haven't quite figured out that area of myself yet :)) I don't know if it's your solution, just see where that thought takes you.

What does the rainbow symbol mean for turkish people? Is she lesbian?

So... maybe don't seek passion, and seek contribution instead. And excellence and beauty. Would that fly?

The work might... work Also, check out Teal Swan. I link a fragmentation video, and, search for completion process examples