Salvijus

In mahasamadhi you enter Nirvana. In suicide you reincarnate in a worse place then before. You go to hell basicly. At least that what people say.

I mean this thread has already derailed into unconsciousness but nevermind. I think it's impossible to make a teaching perfect using your mind. Simply if you just raised your baseline level of consciousness from person to presence everything would fall into place by itself. You just have to focus on embodiment more. Then everything you do will become sanctified by grace. Universe will make your choices not your mind. It's an important step. No master allows his studends to start teaching untill they embody higher levels of awareness, except for a few exceptions here and there. Something I think that you should strive for if you want to have a more positive impact on the world. It's an essential requirement for spiritual teachers I think. Without it everything one does is a mistake to some degree. Person is always wrong. Presence is always right. Stay Blessed and Good luck on your Journey ❤️ @Leo Gura

Some spiritual esoteric schools use psychedelic plants to open up the channels in the body but there's always a master who knows exacly what they're doing and is supervising the situation. I heard these masters even infuse their own life energy into the plants and program it to function in a specific way before consuming it. I heard one daoist school in China that still do this practice and they have the whole system of qiqong practices to compliment the path but forgot the name of it right now it's not on the mainstream I'm not an expert but my guess is that psychedelics if not handled properly will definatly create damage in the energy system. And not just energy but physical and mental also. Psychedelics are a very violent thing. It's not a wild prediction. It's pretty obvious I think. Regards ?@Ora

Cool Understandable. But self-inquiry is not a temporary experience or insight you have. Self-inquiry is a way to distance your self from your thoughts little by little. Everyday if you do it it becomes more and more intense to the point where it feels like the head is going to burst open from energy. With self-inquiry you can achieve the same intensity like with any other chemical. It's only a question of time for your self inquiry to reach that level of intensity. It's not a question of effort really. It's a question of time. Human consciousness grows at a certain pace but it is bound to reach its untimate destination nonetheless. Through self-inquiry whatever growth you get it stays. You don't land back where you started. That's what moving existencially forward means. Just jumping on a trampoline of psychedelics won't get you anywhere. (Good for entertainment tho) Because the energy that you use to access those super states come from your own energy reservoirs. Leaving you less radiant then before when you come back. The intense energy people experience during trips don't come from thin air or smth. It comes from your own soul/energy body/Ojas. That's why you can observe some people who do too much psychedelics become like vegetables after some time. That glow and radiance is gone. They have drained themselfs rather then cultivate themselfs. With self-inquiry you are cultivating and increasing your energy and glow. That's why a sage always glows like a God or deity or smth. That radiance and presence is really the mark of ones true growth. I hope you're well ?@The0Self P.S. Not everything I say could be true. I'm just sharing how I see things

Lol bro. My path is literally like yours Self-inquiry, vipassana and primordial awareness of awareness meditation. Got established in a permenant primordial awareness state last year. Only about psychedelics I'm a bit sceptical. You might be the first person who could change my mind about them ?

@Being Frank Yang nice ?

Interesting. I can relate a little. So how did you get this shift into permenant primordial awareness. With psychedelics?

I think god realization happens when you push your awareness upwards high enough through self-inquiry. That's what psychedelics do. They unleash lots of energy from the body reservoirs temporarely and that blows their awareness upwards because energy and awareness go together. Like a lightbulp, more voltage you put in brighter it shines. Psychedelics are like overcloking your system 100x temporarely. This doesn't mean you dissolved your ego. You only created huge distance between ego and awareness. That gives you a god realization. What vippasana does is a bit different. They are not focused on creating the distance between ego and awareness. They are interested in dissolving ego. That's why they focus on the body because the location of the ego is in throughout the entire body-system. To fully obliterate the ego, every particle in the body has to become pure energy, no solidity can be left. Their logic is that the less ego you have the higher your vibration and awareness will naturally be because ego is what pulls the awareness down into a shape. So at a certain point when you reach full no-ego state it should be the peak of awareness a human being is capable of because there's nothing pulling him down except the physical body that has its own tax on consciousness. Vippasana and ego dissolution is a longer path with interesting cessation stages. Distancing yourself from ego is a another way and can be done in many ways like psychedelics or self inquiry for example but it doesn't dissolve the ego so much so you still have to go through the process of dissolution anyways to become free from suffering and end the reincarnation cycles. To reach a permenant state of awareness or a primordial sense of being one has to push his energies beyond a certain point of intensity and that's it. That comes with the evolution of soul/energy body. Either you do it with self-inquiry or vipassana, both ways you are bound to reach a point where when you sit your entire body vibrates with energy, then you reach an effortless acid state of permenant present moment awareness. Psychedelics give you a glimpse of this intense energy but it has a cost of draining the soul/energy body. Psychedelics can be used occasionally to open up certain possibilities and channels in human consciousness but overusing them will result in backwards growth. Ideally you want to cultivate energy into a higher and higher states with spiritual practices not drain it by recklessly abusing substances. Even if you do self-inquiry or vipassana in about 1-2years of daily practice a person would start feeling subtle energy vibrating in the body usually in the belly. This energy then intensifies and spreads across the body with practice. Depends on how intense your vibration is, that intense your awareness and evolution is. Interesting topic. I don't know how much truth there is in what I wrote. But these are nice thoughts for pondering I think Nice to see a legend here ? @Being Frank Yang

@BipolarGrowth ?

Lol, finnaly I can agree with you on something Now if you just realized that being angry, obnoxious and arrogant has nothing to do with authenticity, it's just a result of ego and low awareness, that would be fantastic Regards ?

Haha made me think actually, idk. All I know is that if you perform action from Love, it will have good consiquences. And if you perform action from ego it will bear bad consiquences. Actualized.org is unfortunately an expression of ego... sorry, that's just how it is. ?

It's inevitable that actualized.org will cause negative influance. Because it's a manifestation of unconsciousness. It's not a manifestation of Love. You can't teach Love by taking about it, you have radiate it. Godbless everyone ? Godbless @SoonHei?

God be with you.

+1. Can relate to this. Once you make a statement for or against something publicly, the pain of admitting you were wrong is 100x. Depends on how public your statements are. So usually unconscious mind does everything in its power to twist and turn the logic to defend its position and not to go through the pain of admitting you were wrong. Only a very very conscious person would have the power to do that. That implies lots of consciousness work which Leo still lacks. @Plabs I think the same. And I experienced myself what anger does to my health. Generating anger 10 times a day for years like Leo will have its consiquences for health. It's inevitable.

Hi @RMQualtrough Thank you for your comment. I hope you're well. I can't think of anything to reply to you right now, sorry. Stay Blessed ❤️ @Leo Gura Touché...

Haha, you got me But honestly, I'm not ignoring anything I just can't see much positive change in you in terms of embodiment and daily life. Maybe a video about your benefits from psychedelics would help. To be honest, what I see in you is just a normal amount of growth somebody would get after doing 6-7years of consciousness work which is what you are at. I think you're still growing at the same pace like everyone else. Your claims that psychedelics will shortcut dacades of consciousness work in a few years doesn't ring true to me. I can't see decades worth of growth in you. I think if you lost your memory of all the trips you had you'd be just an avarege angry person on a street maybe a bit better then avarage. But nothing special really. That's the difference with a real sage and someone who just had a temporary experience or an intelectual understanding. A sage woudnt lose his compassion and love and awareness even if his memory got all wiped out. The atmosphere around him would be charged and radiant with love. It shows that one man has gone somewhere existencially and another man is just jumping on a trampoline not getting anywhere really. --- About the "no technique can be fool proof" yes it is true but true spiritual teachers who engage in teaching others take lots of precaution to protect anyone from harming themselfs. If the process is dangerous they only do things with close supervision to ensure a students safety. They take their studends life very seriously as if it was there own. You on the other hand, very careless. You just inspire newbies to take psychedelics as if it's the highest, fastest way. And if somebody gets metally mad or gets his life ruined it's their own problem, lol. That's not how conscious beings would behave. There're also karmic consiquences from giving bad advice to people. Almost everything you say is just an opinion that you currently have and that is always changing as you grow. Dangerous game you're playing. Unless a person is able to take full responsibility of his advice, he should not do it. Giving advice left and right without understanding the subject fully in not what conscious beings do. Okey, Love to you and good luck ❤️

Yes you're right. Psychedelics have been used for spiritual work. But I don't think they were able to shortcut the journey much. They still had to go through gradual awakening and embodiment like everyone else using meditation and whatnot. If used right psychedelics can assist the process of awakening but there's a difference between how a shaman is using the substance and a random dmt hippy. One may benefit and the other may ruin his life. Or a drunkard-sex addict and a occult tantric yogi. Both do the same things but the result is very different. I just think the way you approach spirituality won't lead to a good future and good results. At least I can't see any evidence of it yet. I'm still rooting for you to blossom someday with this method of yours. Maybe then I will change my mind about it. Regards ? @Leo Gura

@The Mystical Man I think similar to you If psychedelics could cut dacades of practice short then spiritual traditions would've done that looong time ago. Why would anyone meditate for years to reach happyness when you can pop some pills and be in extasy without doing anything? It's because it reduces human life for worse in the long run and doesn't bring about the fulfilment that human life is truly longing for. Evolution of consciousness takes a certain time. A tree has it's pace of growing, body has it's pace of growing, awareness and soul has it's own pace of growing. You don't expect a tree or an infant to reach it's full growth in one day by doing some chemical engineering. All life has to move through every stage of growth organically step by step, the way nature intended. And if you're in tune with a natural way of doing things then a spiritual path becomes a joy every day. Just rising your consciousness 1mm everyday makes you so fulfilled. Everyday is better then before. Enlightenment is not a sprint, it's a marathon. End goal is not even important. Living a fulfilling life that moves you constantly in a higher and higher state is a more sensible way to live I think.

Tau Malachi.

I heard that some cultivators go into the dark for long periods of time to see these lights and then they use them for their spiritual growth. There's a whole science and technology behind it along with initiations. These lights can be used for many things if you know what you're doing.

Mooji ?

Haha. Well sayed actually just be careful. There's a very thin line between not caring what people think genuinely because of one's awareness and being an asshole who doesn't give a fuck about anyone which comes out of bitterness and frustration ? they look similar Being straight and no bullshit is very good. But you use that often as an excuse to lash out on people your discontent which is not intentional but still has a destructive effect which happens rather too often unfortunately.. I think it's something to be aware of ? All the best ? P.s. To be inconsiderate has nothing to do with authenticity and consciousness also ? To say that being a jerk is my authentic persona is a... bit of a delusion No offence meant ?

@Leo Gura it's not about politeness Your volition in everything that you say carries a deep rooted pattern of aggressiveness and anger in it. This volition will not bear positive fruit for you or others even if you say all the right things. Unless you start functioning from higher state of consciousness of peace and harmony, everything you do will be destructive. I'm sure everybody knows and heard it 1000s times but still many fall into the same trap over and over again You still have a long way to go bro to rise your baseline consciousness and take away those deep rooted vasanas if you care about making a positive impact on the world. The language of god is vibration, not the concepts. ? Sorry if this hits the nerve ? But reflect on it ? Good luck ?

It's hard to speak about this without triggering anyone It's nice that you brought it up tho. I think many people noticed it. It's something I've been dealing with aswell personally. It's like even if try to say something positive it comes out with an old pattern of violent volition, violent vibration. You just can't help it. And then this violent vibration triggers others who have that similar vasana and then it multiplies. Important thing is not what you say but your state of consciousness from which you speak. What kind of vibration do you emanate makes all the difference. Leo speaks big truths on a conceptual level but from energetic level it's a very low vibration of conflict and ego and criticism usually. And that always breeds only more conflict unfortunately. With all due respect I don't mean to offend in any way ? just a constructive observation I made. Something to reflect upon for many ? Regards ?

Try massaging your testicals and pelvic area on a daily basis I heard Mantak Chia say that all toxins naturally go down to the sexual organ. If you don't massage it, problems may arise. We sit too long, blood is not circulating well and that area gathers most toxins. That's why it's important. In my own case I experienced spasm in my testicals after going for 4months on semen retention. That's when I learnt that massaging is important it worked wonders for me. You can learn more about it on youtube from Mantak Chia Good luck ?