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@Thought Art @Alexop Brothers, how are you gonna get a high quality girlfriend? What are you gonna say when you see her? How are you gonna approach her, convey your interest and move things forward? I'm genuinely asking. There seems to be this misconception that pickup is for endless casual hookups, as if girls who are looking for a relationship are somehow a "different breed." And when you acquire this girlfriend, how are you gonna keep her if you dont understand her psychology, her being, her desires? The advice is the same whether you want a one night stand, a relationship, something casual, or what have you. Wake up. You still have to flirt, you still have to differentiate yourself from other men, you still have to convey yourself in an attractive way. You still need game.

Read through the replies on page one and I find that there're a lot of false assumptions there. Are women attracted to confidence, even dysfunctional forms of it? Yes. However, a woman's willingness to date or engage sexually with a man is still a choice she has to make. Men are attracted to beauty, but many men will reject a crazy woman even if she's beautiful especially if they've had a negative experience in the past with crazy. Same goes with women. Immature women may date a narcissistic guy, but after they experience what that is like, they can make the conscious choice not to date a narcissist, even though they might be feeling attracted to them initially.

I feel like so many of you here are missing the point of the thread. This post is about the art of flirting at the highest level. I'm not saying you can't get girls without doing what I outlined. What I am saying is that you will have more CONSISTENTLY positive responses and engagement with the person of your fancy if you apply the above principles. The issue I see here is that a lot of you guys are trying to maintain your sense of being "good enough" that you are unable to see information that challenges your idea of competence. Every guy wants to think that "just being yourself" and keeping it "simple" and "not overthinking it" is the way to go, because it worked for them or someone they knew once or twice in their 30 years of living. That's not good dating advice. What I'm advocating here is the type of flirting and skillset that gets you women consistently. Its the type of skillset that if we were at a bar together, you could instantly apply and get results. But it takes practise. Intelligent practise. But most of you here don't even go out, let alone approach women you genuinely are excited about on a regular basis. Even worse, when you do, you don't treat it as something you can improve on and that keeps you stuck for life. But hey, at least you can feel "good enough."

@Natasha Tori Maru Always a joy to hear a woman's perspective on these topics. We need more of that on this forum. I'll try out the whispering thing, haha. You're responsible for my bail if I end up getting arrested though. 😤

I mean dude.. you are calling women shallow and talking about crushing egos and such. Yes, use preselection but drop all the woman demonization and hateful language.

I agree that Preselection is a powerful tool for attracting women but it doesnt fall under the "flirting unbrella."

Exactly.

This is advanced game for people who actually go out and want to get consistent results, especially with the hottest women. Everything is try hard before you've tried it and become habituated to it.

Thank you so much, everyone! I have time off today to relax a bit, I will go through what eas recommended to me here and see if I find something that resonates!!

Ah yes, SinsTV. He was one of my students. Good to see he has gone on to use my techniques for the good of mankind <.< >.>

Watched the first 15 minutes and I had to turn it off. The first guy, especially, is so toxic, you can tell. Very aggressive, doesnt listen, bulldozes his arguements. Like, buddy, this is why you're not getting laid and you havr a difficult life. Learn to love the world a bit more.

@LordFall Thank you, brother! I will say that part of my shift is moving away from self help content. I appreciate you for sharing though, because it made me aware of this. @enchanted Share one thing that you recently watched/read that peaked your interest and I will watch it too! @Inliytened1 I dont. The point is to just share what you're into and maybe i end up into it too or I find something else adjacent to it that interests me. Or not. Just share, brother, dont overthink it.

Very interesting thread here with lots of intriguing answers. For me, I'd much rather hear that a woman loves me than respects me, since I find that women tend to love men they respect, anyway. Plus, LOVE as a word feels deeper than respect to me -- in fact, respect feels more like a treat for the ego. Of course, that assumes that I deeply care about the woman too. If its someone who I view in a casual way -- which I am no longer interested in, these days -- then respect would be better.

Below is an excerpt from a .PDF I've been developing for some time now where I transcribe ALL MY KNOWLEDGE about women, dating and pick-up. This document is being created in order to distill down all my lessons from the last 10 years of doing pick-up, so that in case I get into a serious long-term monogamous relationship for multiple years and then end up breaking up, I will have the most high-consciousness information at my fingertips without having to refer to other pick-up coaches and/or having to re-learn the same lessons again in the field. The document is intended for personal use, therefore the language is in the first-person perspective, so keep in mind that depending on where you are in your journey, this information might not be of much help to you. I have 10 years of pickup experience, so the way that I operate within an interaction might not be transferrable to you as a beginner or intermediate, because I might not have the same mental limitations that you currently do in your journey. However, I thought it valuable to share and hope that it could provide insights to those that are ready for them. Enjoy. THE OPTIMIZED APPROACH – SUBTLETY & INDIVIDUALITY The ideal dynamic within an interaction is one that promotes mystery and provides the woman with a unique experience that feels spontaneous. Furthermore, the best approaches reinforce a narrative in which I am a high value man who is on his purpose, living an awesome life and while doing so, I just happened to run into this woman who peaked my curiosity and, thus, after interacting with her from a place of intrigue and skepticism, she eventually wins me over and sparks more genuine romantic/sexual interest from me. To create this dynamic, a more indirect approach is preferred that’s more focused on drawing her in, because it doesn’t give immediate resolution to the mystery and it allows for the interaction to feel more natural in its progression. Additionally, this type of approach allows for versatility in case the girl doesn’t meet my qualifications and I choose to befriend her instead, or if I decide I want to pursue someone else within her social circle. Another bonus, is that this approach protects me against building a reputation of going around complimenting every girl. Do not confuse this type of approach as hiding my intentions. The girl will view the interaction as a sexual/romantic encounter, no matter if I directly state it or not, as a result of the sex worthy vibe that I’m giving off and the assumed attraction in my behavior, but ideally, I will not overtly communicate that unless it’s through very subtle statements or qualifications that still maintain mystery and a high-value narrative or some form of push-pull that takes her on an emotional journey around whether she’s winning me over or losing me. This type of approach hinges on the fact that “subtlety is key.” That not only includes the man-to-woman nature of the interaction but also the logistics of it. I want to find out whether she has a boyfriend, where she lives, whether she’s with friends or not, what her time availability is, etc, without it being overtly obvious that I have an agenda behind asking these questions. Having that said, while ideally an indirect-direct approach where I’m just a cool sex-worthy guy who is simply sharing some good vibes with this girl and naturally draws her in is better, making my intentions overtly obvious is also a viable strategy, as long as it is paired with a good dose of skepticism on whether or not she’s a good fit for me – in order to inject that tension of “can I have him or not?” – as well as a unique and creative way of building that man-to-woman frame (notice I said frame not intent, more on that later) that highlights my individuality and puts me in my very own category rather than the girl perceiving me like I’m every other guy, using the same lines. Lastly, the ideal approach should be coming from a frame of assumed familiarity, meaning that I believe I’m on the girl’s level, I believe we’re already friends, I assume she’s going to like me and so I approach with a very chill, playful and laid-back demeanor, almost as if we’re already friends. This should come through in my tonality, in the smoothness of the approach and the way I naturally interact with her as if there’re no filters between us. If she feels like she knows me or wonders if we met before, that’s a very good sign.

Another thing I'd add, is that a lot of confidence is less about you recognizing somethinf in yourself or adding something to your being and more about letting go of beliefs that tell you otherwise. Your default setting as an organism is Loving Yourself. That's the DEFAULT. Thats how you were as a child. You just expressed yourself with absolutely no filter and just were loving life, being playful, demanding things, dreaming big, pursuing your genuine interests, being shameless, etc. But through the necessary process of socialization, certain aspects of you got clouded in shame and thus you formed negative beliefs about specific forms of your authentic expression and labelled them as bad. The way to accomplish REAL confidence isnt through affirmation or reading a page of all your accomplishments each day -- doing those things help but the con is that you become dependent on them rather than being truly internally confident. The real path is addressing all the beliefs that tell you that you're somehow deficient and interrogating the parts of you that buy in on those beliefs until you get to the root cause of WHY and HOW those beliefs were formed and then proactively taking steps to challenge them and eventually release them.

Beautiful message but I disagree with this part here. Social skills are like a muscle you have to continually engage. Doesnt matter how much you love yourself and how confident you are, if you havent done something with a lot of momentum your fluency in it is going to atrophy. Same goes for dancing, speaking a language, working out, etc. You have to keep the momentum going by regularly using the skill. As an artist, even when I draw I usually have to start by sketching a little bit first just to get into the flow of things. This doesnt mean that im not confident in my ability to draw, it just means that my wrist and motor functions need some waking up to towards the task that im about to undertake. A lot of guys think they're too good for warming up when out socializing and you know what happens as a result of that? Nothing. They just sit around looking cool, while the guys who were humble enough to warm up a bit and talk to some people who they have no real interest in are crushing it with the most attractive people in the social arena. I've seen this happen too many times.

Ah fair enough. Well, I honestly dont care to interact with those. I dont do quick number/instagram closes since I want to get a taste of the girl's personality first and if she's clearly in a hurry, then that goes against my standards of a solid approach. Plus, I believe in offering value when I approach women and if a girl is clearly on a mission, I view it as taking value from her and not respecting her agenda by approaching her in that context.

@Miguel1 Example: 1 - Did some day time approaching yesterday. I see a girl looking intently at her phone and I walk in front of her and say "Excuse me" in a very authoritative manner and she immediately jerks up, "Yes!" I start teasing her that I triggered one of her past lives that enrolled in the army with the way she jerked up. We had an awesome convo for like 15 minutes and exchanged info. 2 - Saw another girl yesterday towards the end of the session with a flowy dress floating in the wind. I open with "Damn, you look spiritual as hell. Bet you've been meditating for over a thousand years." She snort-giggles and we continue vibing and talking about spirituality and meditation and all that. She had a boyfriend but our vibe was very sensual and our eyes were locked the entire time. 3 - I opened another girl earlier with "If Nicki Minaj was 20 years younger, she'd look like you." Etc etc Basically, observational stuff and friendly stuff. I dont do looking for direction openers personally, but I prefer these more friendly, ambiguous opens that allow versatility.

I dont fully agree with this. Approaching indirect can work as long either: a) you transition effectively into a more direct approach later on, or b) your subcommunications are clearly displaying a sensual sexy vibe The later has actually become a problem for me since even when im trying to make friends with girls they often feel like im flirting even though im not because my vibe is naturally sensual, fun and dominant. So i have to explicitly make it known that im not looking for anything. Going in indirect works better than full direct from the start cause it buys you some time to showcase some personality first before the girl is put in a position where she has to make a decision.

Im curious, do you still go out at all? Cause based on your activity on the forum, you seem quite interested in male to female dynamics still.

@Joseph Maynor Brother, if it was that simple, guys would be getting laid all over. What are your results like, dating-wise? Do you actually have real world, extensive pick up experience? Or do you just sit on this forum day in and out, theorizing what you THINK should work?

Both. Since most men, generally speaking, have been indoctrinated into people pleasing and being ashamed of their sexuality and dominance, it is better to develop those traits first and foremost. Once you have a sufficient dose of those and you can attract women with them, then it makes sense to focus on your softer side as well (although, in my experience, those softer traits develop naturally the longer you spend around women who you have a deep bond to.)

Much better, thank you for asking, man!

@Hayato My conclusion after is all said and done is that she lied to me. And yes, learned a lot

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