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@Valach Hard to say. Its one of those things that when a girl tells me, will be defined by how I feel about it in the moment. If I had to logically define my parameters though, if she slept with 50 people and she's 25 years old, I'd be like "Yikes.." Im lenient, but I'd say if she's in her mid 20s, a maximum bodycount of 20 is at the high end of what I'd accept. Again, I never ask such things though, so i usually go by how she's behaving.

It depends. I never ask for a woman's body count, but if I stumbled upon a number, it would only affect my impression of her if it's absurdingly high. As long as its within a reasonable range then I don't really care. But as I said, I never ask such a question. All I really care about is how she treats me, our chemistry, compatibility and potential future together.

To add, Owen doesn't do daygame. He is purely a night game guy. Why is that? Because day game deals with sober girls, in their right mind, who are very sensitive to any weirdo behaviour in a man who is approaching them. You need very solid social calibration in the day time vs night time. In a bar or club, where girls are partying and drinking, you dont need to be as sharp because the girls are in a different headspace. If Owen can barely get results at night, you BEST BELIEVE he aint getting none in the day time. The guy cant read social cues too well. He admits this himself in almost all his videos.

@Olaf Bro what? Thats such a cope. Luke and Jeffy were working with RSD at the time. They have no incentive to ruin the reputation of their boss and their company, as a consequence. Plus, the clip was taken from a paid seminar where Luke was teaching the crowd about Social Circle Game. Owen kinda came up randomly while they were riffing. They even mention themselves that Owen himself admits to sucking compared to the other instructors and that he brought them on to learn from them. There even is an infield compilation where Julien is constantly stealing girls from Owen. Wake up dude. There was an ex RSD employee that used to edit Owens infield videos that made a video on YouTube some years ago about his experience working in the company (video has since been deleted but John Anthony Lifestyle covered it on his channel, but I knew about it from waaayyy before). In the video, the guy basically admits that Owen is a better public speaker than he is a PUA and that after watching whole footage of his entire nights out while editing them that there is nothing "special about his game." Those were his exact words. He is just a guy who goes out a shit ton and has a strong work ethic and of course, if you approach 50 girls a night in an overly polarizing fashion, you will get 1-2 at the end of it. Why do you think Owen popularized going out 7 nights a week? Because he has to if he is to get any results cause his game gets him blown out 99% of the time. Dude, as I said, he is great at breaking down social dynamics because of his autism. He is very meticulous and I've learned a lot about dating from him. But his game fucking sucks. There is a difference between knowing how to talk game vs demonstrating it in field.

Guys, Owen Cook is so fuckin overrated. Yes, he is a master at breaking down social dynamics and we all learned a lot from him. But he is still on the spectrum and is a VERY eccentric guy in field. He is also very physically unattractive and exhibits dark triad traits. Can he get results? Sure. But I personally dont consider him an authority. I made a thread a little while ago where RSD Jeffy and Luke exposed that Owens game is terrible. Too polarizing, too over the top and gets him constantly blown out and thrown out of venues because he lacks social calibration.

Deepak Wayne's Conversation Domination and Dating Mastery also have a lot of unique concepts in them that revolutionalized my understanding of game. Deepak is a middle aged, physically unattractive man with a thick indian accent. So you best believe he is using very tight game to get results.

Thats a rare exception. Most naturals arent that extroverted and confident with strangers, especially when there's no social context for the approach -- aka in a cold approach. Most extroverted men date within their social circle or, at the very least, rely on their friends to fuel their confidence when they're out interacting with strangers. The most formiddable guys to emulate are guys who are naturals who also learned some pickup. These ones are a force to be reconned with. Ultimately, though, to be great at this stuff, you need to just fully embody an attractive archetype of man, be willing to deal with social pressure, own your sexuality fully and MASSIVELY SOCIALIZE.

@Miguel1 Vadim has been having an existential crisis for years now. Go watch his videos "Are you aligned" and you will see a hint of that. I wouldnt be surprised if the whole pickup thing ran its course and he has lost passion for it altogether.

You have to diversify your teaching sources. Todd V is AMAZING when it comes to frame control, verbal game and understanding the dynamics that are at play in pickup. A lot of my approach and insights in game came from building on the psychologic foundations that I learned from him. However, as someone who also has a lot of Todd's programs and has studied a lot of his material, he does leave a lot on the table when it comes to teaching. I've never seen him merge sets or proactively use preselection and jealousy plotlines in a bar or club -- both of which are super powerful to implement. People like Julien, Max, Derek and Owen, while not being as technical in their game as Todd, do teach a more holistic approach to the game beyond just frame control madness and push pull mindfuckery. One way to get a girl to chase is to withhold validation and blast her with a strong whirlwind of positive and negative emotions, but another way is to just be a very social, fun, outgoing guy who is talking to everyone and whose attention is valuable within the environment. If you establish the latter, girls start coming on to you and it is a lot more reliable of an approach than the push pull method. I've seen a clip of Julien merging sets during the DAY, which was unheard of to me at the time and blew my mind that I never even thought to do that (still havent to be honest). But then again, Julien's verbal game is hard imitate and replicate because its too polarizing and intertwined with who he is as a person. You can learn from all kinds of teachers, but it is foolish to be loyal to one. I've learned from: Alpha Male Strategies Todd V Alex Social Bradicus Max Julien Owen Jeffy Playing with Fire Ultimate Man Project Even fucking Jmulv. Take what works from each one and discard the rest.

This man getting cooked every time he makes a thread lol

Who you are outside of the game is actually more important than who you are when she is in front of you. A lot of men who want to improve their dating lives, neglect this fact. They do the basics: Go out, socialize, read up on game theory and pickup, try to dress (their version of) good, etc. They think going up to a woman and plastering a wide smile on their face and putting on an entertaining enough performance for the woman should produce results. And yeah, sometimes it will. But it will never be consistent and you will never feel like you finally "get it." The truth that I've learned after 10 years in this game of love, sex and dating is that WHO YOU ARE MATTERS. No matter how many smooth lines you have in your arsenal, no matter how fresh your outfit is, no matter how masculine and expensive your cologne is and regardless how fearless you are to approach.. if you're an unconfident, needy, insecure, purposeless guy at the core, women will smell it on you. This is such a mindfuck of a realization because you'd think that going out and approaching a lot will get you results due to the extensive volume of approaches you do, but I discovered the opposite. Actually integrating your approaches in a way that they seamlessly fit into an already purposeful and interesting life is the best way to go about this and will keep your energy at the right frequency to attract a quality woman. If women and dating becomes a big part of your life, it can negatively affect your self esteem because dating is riddled with chaos, rejection, uncertainty and confusion and when you don't have a life to ground you outside of it, then it results into madness, resentment and massive insecurity. If you're a beginner then okay, I get it. Schedule blocks of time for game in your week and go get em, tiger. However, if approaching is no longer an issue, find a way to create a life that puts you in contact with women naturally without you having to go out of your way to find them. For example, my current lifestyle consists of work, gym, GMAT studies and socializing in the weekend (will soon also start latin dance classes). During the week, however, if I don't socialize at all, by the time the weekend comes I have massive negative momentum and my charisma becomes choppy. To fix this, instead of going home to study, or going to the gym nearby my house, I instead pack my lunch in the morning and walk my ass to the library to study after work. On my way there, I make sure to approach at least 1-2 women. Then I go to the library, do my thing, and then head to a nearby gym. On the way there I.. you guessed it.. approach 1-2 women. Same goes for the weekend. I never go out to "game." It's in the back of my mind, sure, but I always go to places that I feel I would genuinely enjoy being in whether women were there or not. This has a much more positive impact on your psychology than going out specifically to meet women. You become a man on his purpose who just naturally meets women as he goes through his day, instead of this hunter whose self esteem gets chipped off little by little with every rejection. You feel good about being on your purpose, doing your thing and making progress on your larger goals that, in comparison, approaching a girl feels absolutely miniscule. It's also much more attractive to the woman. You approach a gorgeous girl and she asks you "what are you up to?" And you respond "I'm on my way to the library to work on some business stuff." Boom, a man on his purpose doing his thing. And its REAL. She can feel the congruence! Cause, sure, you can just lie and say you're doing something other than pickup, but you know you're lying and that does a number on your psychology and self esteem over time because you know you're not being integruous and in alignment with a high value man's lifestyle. The point is: Become a cool guy, for real. Have an interesting life. Don't just work on the pickup stuff. Sign up for a dance class, hang out with cool people, start working on a creative project, get into martial arts. Yes, it makes your time more limited and thus you won't have as much time to game, but your energy will be much more attractive because you're out here actually LIVING A FULL LIFE instead of chasing outside approval. That comes with a vibe that can't be faked. And when you're talking to the girl and you're conveying your authentic self, what you're expressing will be massively more intriguing than if you're not doing the above. (Also, a lot of you guys need to go to therapy, for real. Myself included, honestly.) Again, who you are outside of the game matters! So if you're depressed, angry, sad, lonely, etc. That is going to emanate off of you, no matter how much you try and hide it. If you have no standards amd aren't willing to walk away from a girl because you're desperate and needy, no line or technique can cover that shit up. Same goes if you're a weak people pleasing pussy. Aint no hiding that behind an alpha persona, cause the moment she tests you, you will expose yourself. The self is always shining through. So stop procrastinating on it and actually sit down with yourself to work on your issues. Ask yourself: How does an attractive man live? How doed he spend his time? Who does he keep around him? How does he think? How does he dress? Don't just spout lines and focus on dialing your subcommunications down. That's just performance Become the real deal and everything else will fall in alignment.

@Jirh I felt the brutality of that approach just by reading about it lol Not all approaches go like that though, so dont let that form a primary impression of how cold approaching unfolds. A lot of girls will talk to you. You just got unlucky or your vibe was too tense and low status for her to engage with, which is something you can improve on.

I was never the type to have too many friends. I've gone through phases where I had a massive social circle for dating prospect acquisition reasons but as time went on I started to burn out from that. Massive friend groups seem so fucking fake to me and lacking in real depth. Additionally, I tend to be a very disciplined person so I dont typically enjoy being around people too much unless there's a purpose behind the hangout that will benefit me in some other way or I just REALLY enjoy hanging out with them. -- Me being a natural introvert is also a factor -- But then I go online and see people hanging out with extensive friend groups, going camping, playing sports, travelling together etc and I sometimes get envious of it. I do have some really solid friends but most are either living in other countries or other cities and thus we see each other a couple times a year (maybe). In my current city I may have 1-3 at any given time. Normally I'd be okay with that but there was a time when I went to therapy -- years ago -- and my therapist alluded to the fact that me not having a lot of friends was somehow a problem and I guess that stuck with me because an "authority" figure proposed it. Furthermore, after being in pickup for so many years and learning the power of pre-selection and social proof, it does make me feel like it might signal something deficient in me if I don't have more people in my life who I have healthy friendships with. Or is it the Green Stage of the Spiral emerging more and more from me and inspiring me to seek more of a community? Who knows. Curious to know your thoughts.

I've gone through a similar journey at my peak in PUA where I glorified polyamory and engaged with it pretty successfully for a few years, but as I matured as a person, I've come to appreciate monogamy more. There's a few reasons for this: 1 - More women are open to polyamory than most men think, as long as you're resolute and honest about it. It has to be "who you are" for the woman to accept it. However, I find that the highest quality women, the most feminine and most loving, will want to feel special to you in some way and that's hard to pull off when you view her as one of many. Sure, you can lie about it and just tell her she's special but your integrity will take a hit from that. Evem during my poly years, I always had 1 girl that was a cut above the others and who I treated with extra reverance. Ignoring this means you're just operating from Ego and you don't actually care about the women you're dating. 2 - In my experience, women who are fully for Polyamory without needing to feel special like the girl in the above point are just.. low value. They are not that attractive, feminine or interesting to be around and they usually have other issues as well that allow them to live that lifestyle perpetually. 3 - This one is more esoteric, but I personally noticed that I feel "cheapened" when I dip my pen in multiple inks. I don't enjoy having sex with a lot of women at the same time. There's something inherently disrespectful (to myself) about it that leaves me feeling dirty, sometimes even for weeks. 4 - Life has so much more to offer than romance and relationships and we have limited time to explore it. Spending a significant chunk of your time managing your romantic relationships is such a waste of time. I gotta work, spend time with friends, hit the gym, introspect, travel, engage with hobbies, etc. Dealing with one girl is already enough of a time commitment, any more and your life goes off balance, in my opinion. 5 - I understand the arguement about having children raised in a community or tribe of sorts, but I'm actually not quite sure i want any, so I care little about building a little polycube for them. That said, having close friends in your life also serves that purpose. You dont have to be sleeping with the people in your community for them to care enough about you to help you out.

@something_else That's what I'm told, but I'm conflicted on this.. I genuinely dont enjoy most people's company. Few people I feel like I truly relate to. Plus I value my alone time so much. Im conscious enough to realize that my avoidant side might also be rationalizing all the above in order to avoid change.

@Miguel1 I also saw on your gram that you do hang out with a lot of dancers. You actually seem pretty extroverted on social media.

Keep going and definitely keep us updated with how the game is treating you. Little advice can be given just from one field report, so if you keep us updated we can then identify behavioural patterns and steer you in the right direction. For now, though, keep fucking going, my man!

Brother, what you're experiencing is a result of you being attached to the outcome rather than the process. Let's talk facts: If you interacted with a 100 attractive women in a direct, flirtatious manner, at the very least a couple of them would reciprocate. That is a fact. So you can find love in the process of going out there and sifting through to find those girls or you can get attached to little crushes and get crushed. And believe me, brother, there is a deep love that you can find for the number's game of dating. Im a veteran in this shit so I am indifferent to it now, but I can remember how I felt about it back in the day.. There's a beauty in going out there, interacting with various women, expressing yourself to them, connecting with them, handling lack of compatibility, the texting, the lessons, the grit that the process puts you through at times, etc. I used to have a deep love for that shit and if you trust the process and believe in your ability to get amazing results at the end of it all, then it might spark a love for it in you too. Good luck out there.

@Emerald Oh shit! Welcome back!

I live in the Netherlands too, broski

Lowkey kinda same here.

Hello all. In short, I have transcended my old identity. There is a gap there that needs to be filled. The content I used to watch online doesnt resonate anymore. I don't know what will, but recommend me some interesting youtube channels, instagram accounts, shows, books, etc that YOU find especially fascinating, no matter how niche, and I will check it out and see if I connect with it, too. Thank you.

I disagree. The more internal work I do on myself the more laid back I become. A lot of times when I'm out and meet someone who is really weird, it actually comes across as tryhard to me. Like, they're expending so much energy to maintain a self concept of themselves to other people instead of just being "normal" aka chill.

In this video, RSD Jeffy and Luke share how Owen's autism limits his game and hint at him not being an authority on the subject of cold approaching AT ALL. What Jeffy basically alludes to in the video is that Owen, because he is on the spectrum, lacks the emotional insight to be able to calibrate in real time. He doesn't have that "emotional sensitivity" the same way someone neurotypical like Jeffy does -- although, stories I heard about Jeffy do point to the fact that he has other issues. Therefore, Tyler relies on very polarizing approaches that completely alienate 99% of women, on the hopes of striking gold with the odd girl who views him favourably because of his overly polarizing behaviours. He lacks social awareness, which is why he can clear out a bar in 10 minutes, get kicked out and not even realize it, which is a function of his asperger's. Tyler is definitely very smart and motivated. He has a lot of knowledge and wisdom around social dynamics and I've learned a lot from him, however he clearly isn't as good "infield" as RSD would have had you believe. Thoughts? WATCH FROM 3:43 TO 6:14

You're killing it, man! Keep going 💪🏾