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@CARDOZZO I'm a human being with many facets. But, yes, I relate to Todd a lot more than Owen.

It's not about the approaches. It's about your ability to learn from your experiences and think critically about how to improve. I randomly bumped into a guy, last year, who was visiting my city to daygame. Cool dude with a good job and a big brain. But dude has been in the game for 4 years, even took a bootcamp with a pickup company, and his entire game was approaching girls and basically showering them with compliments. Like, 4 years of pickup experience and he approaches like a complete beginner. His vibe was also giving off this total infatuation with the girl. Basically, in his mind, if he shows the girl how much he likes her and is also a little funny, he'll get laid. I had to take him to the side and give him a very harsh reality check. It was hard for him to hear but just going out and approaching thousands of women and doing the exact same shit is totally counter-productive. You're better off approaching 3-5 women a day and then going home and analysing your approaches surgically, as well as using your understanding of the theory of attraction as a basis for critical thinking. If you check my post history, you'll see that I'm not a big fan of direct approaches, which is antithetical to A LOT of pickup advice and practises. How did I come to that conclusion? Deep understanding of the theory, observing social dynamics in real life, critical thinking and experimentation. That's how you figure shit out. Doing thousands of approaches without the above, is just a waste of time.

Real high level pickup gets you laid consistently with very attractive women. People on this forum dont seem to understand that because most of them have never done it, did it very little or did it a lot but somehow still suck at it because they are not intelligent about it. Yes, build a social circle, become valuable to other humans, etc. But anyone here who views pickup as this low level activity where you're basically running around begging girls for pussy and then "get lucky" every once in a while is probably someone who belongs in the above 3 categories listed. If I had the passion that I used to have for it, I could easily be getting laid multiple times a week, with new and repeat girls, easily. Just from pickup, cause I know how to do it properly. The reason I dont do that is cause... fuck that. Theres more important things to do in life.

If it takes you 400 approaches is because you suck at it.

@something_else I appreciate you for sharing brother. To be honest, though, I dont relate with what you described here. While I absolutely have avoidant tendencies in my relationships, this post has nothing to do with that.

@Olaf I'll see you in action tomorrow and give you feedback. Going the douchebag route isn't the way though.

Finally acquired my new passport today, studied Quantitative Reasoning for an hour, heading to the gym in a bit, then gonna update my CV and party it up tonight. Still doesn't feel like a day of winning, but it is.

@LordFall Brother, first of all, what you're doing with these events is amazing! I think you have a bright future ahead of you, and I'm so honored to be a background character in your journey. And I think it's such a blessing that you've had experiences where you've met people in person that were doing great things and that were living large in some way. While I didnt have that, what I do have as an advantage was learning game back in the day and seeing how similar my current journey is to that one. I had a lot of nights where I would just come home and curl up in bed and suffer in silence because I had a very bad night, or because I got harshly rejected, or whatever. I can see now in retrospect how those nights were necessary in order for me to keep pushing, in order to meet my goals and get the skillset that I wanted. So even though now I'm on a different journey and I'm feeling the pain of it and I'm suffering just the same, I am at least able to see the similarities between this and when I was learning pickup. I can see ttht I'm on the right track because I felt this type of suffering before, and I've handled similar emotional challenges. This allows me to see the bigger picture. And I know that I'm going to get to where I need to get to just because I know that this is part of the process of getting there. But I'm so glad to have people by my side here that share the journey.

Messaged you.

@LordFall Thank you for the recommendation, brother. It also brings me a sense of camaraderie knowing there are others out there who are also fighting the fight. And as far as having a spiritual foundation being a helpful hand during these times? Absolutely.

Cash me ousside how bou dat

What happened to your thread?

@Ulax Happy for you.

Agreed. This thread has only stayed alive this long because of the constant shit-posting responses. We need to go back to more serious people seeking actual serious personal development in their dating and social lives. When I first saw this post, I was expecting genuine insight into one person's strategy and insight into the game, which is why I asked actual serious questions. I've been disappointed with everything that's come after. -- Edited to remove singling out people --

Yes, when you're already a confident individual, then it doesn't matter. But most guys that get into pickup are at a deficit when it comes to their social skills, so having these overt labels on various behaviours helps them navigate and understand the social domain better and put their experiences into context. At this point in my journey (10 years deep into pickup), I dont even think about shit tests or push pulls or any of those concepts because my personality has been crystalized and I can respond to these things dynamically and unconsciously. However a guy who doesn't have the social accuity and charisma to deal with banter, to deal with girls pulling back or giving him mixed signals would ABSOLUTELY benefit from understanding the concept. In fact, I would go as far as to say that even if you are confident, understanding these dynamics at a logical level puts you at an advantage. No one feels confident all the time and if you're relying on your unconscious behaviours to attract women then you're basically at the mercy of your state. A guy who has intuitive social accuity but also understands the dynamics at play, logically, can perform much better when he is out of it than a guy who doesnt.

Push Pull. My man's still got it.

Bruh, the discourse here completely ill-defines what shit tests are. Most shit tests are unconscious and are not exclusive to women. Men shit test too. All a shit test is, is a a subconscious test of another person's confidence and self perceived social status. Everytime you meet someone new, you subconsciously shit test them and they test you back without you even being aware of it. We all know a guy who no one fucks with and we all know another guy who is basically a clown. The difference between the first guy and the second is that the 1st conveyed dominance and strength when people around him playfully tested him and they quickly learned "oh, this guy isn't to be messed with," while the 2nd guy caved. Something as simple as someone making a joke at your expense, or holding silent eye contact for a second too long, or showing up late to plans are shit tests and depending on how you respond to these determines your character and your social status in their eyes. Very few people deliberately test you. It's all unconscious primal behaviour. A girl I pulled on Saturday would constantly make little jokes about me not being a man because I don't have a driver's license, she would pretend to walk away from me after I disagreed with something she said and, even back at her place, kept saying that she doesn't like hooking up quickly with random guys and that she preferred if we just drank tea and then went to bed. I'm sure in her conscious mind she was being playful and sincere in those moments, but those were unconscious shit tests. If I didnt handle them the way I did, the girl would feel less attracted to me and wouldn't even know why. People do this to each other all the time. You have friends with which you're always on time when you have plans, and others who you're not. You know people that you wouldn't dare make a joke at their expense and others who you would. You know people who you respect more than others. The reason being is that when you first started getting to know each other, you subconsciously tested them and through their response you determined that they were high status individuals on a primal level. You tested their boundaries, their groundedness, their reactivity and frame control without you even being aware and they have proven to you, unconsciously, on a primal level, that they're to be respected. Thats what a shit test is.

I am going to create a whole post about my process at some point, but basically most of my game is centered around investment, aka getting the girl to buy in as much as possible. That includes getting her to qualify herself, explain herself, creating a lot of unresolved tension, creating opportunities for her to make decisions in my favour, leading her, connecting with her on an emotional level, getting her to open up to me, etc.

@Inliytened1 Do you go out alone or with friends to bars?

If you wanted to get laid this weekend, what would be your full strategy and approach to make that happen? Where do you typically meet women? Were you always good with women or did you have to learn? What is some advice that you have that is totally original to you and you haven't heard anyone else repeat?

Yesterday I awoke from the numb, unconscious, auto-pilot mode that I've been operating from the last week or so, after smoking a joint to relax and unwind from life's recent stresses. Now, I'm able to look at the world around me and marvel at its beauty. I'm open to receiving love from the people around me instead of being annoyed by their attempts to connect with me. I'm calm and inspired by the present moment and the potential of its future manifestations. Things feel easy, aligned and divine. That bubblegum haze hit different. I genuinely feel like I awoke from a fog. Like, I've been on autopilot, executing, taking action.. mindless action, but not really being present with it all. Yesterday's awakening gave me the insight to always have a book with me to read instead of doomscrolling when I get bored. It also got me to see that dating apps numb genuine human connection, which prompted me to delete them all and just focus on real life interaction instead. It's been such a gift so far and it hasn't even been 12 hours. How can I stay in this state? How can I maintain it? What habits? I eat fairly healthy; eggs in the morning, followed by a fruit smoothie with creatine a few hours later, then lunch and a very nutritional dinner. I down 2 magnesium tablets with a chamomile tea before bed and use a sleeping mask for maximum sleep quality. I weight lift and regularly bike. What else can I do?

Ideally you want the girl to be talking and investing more in conversation, while you sit back and be fun, mysterious and focused on moving things forward. I do the bare minimum to make that happen.

@Olaf I know everything.

@Olaf Thats because he's bullshitting.

@D2sage how often do girls approach you and under what circumstances?