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Havent heard of him but based on what otbers have written here, I'm very curious to start! What are your top recommendations?? (Please add a brief description of each so I can decipher which ones are the most relevant to me.)

@oOo @Leo Gura Y'all are forgetting that Owen has been in pickuo for like 20 years. Meaning, casual sex. And when engaging in casual sex and massive socialising, you're gonna get sick. Its inevitable. No matter how good your diet and habits are. Dont think its a genetic thing either considering that he used to get sick before the 15 years, by implication.

I understand that it must be very addictive to seek out dark truths about the world (even though the red pill is rarely accurate to reality, as I stated above) but considering your limited experience with dating, I would advise you to stay away from that shit. All it's gonna achieve is make you jaded and resentful to women over time, if it's not balanced with real world positive experiences with women. If you care to actually attract high quality women in your life then go out and interact with them in person and through trial and error you will learn all that is relevant for you to know. Everything else is just a waste of your time.

Started reading it and got bored not even a quarter into it so I dropped it. All that shit is useless information. Rollo Tomasi himself wasnt some grand player and I guarantee my body count is way higher than his, so I don't know why people hold him so credible. Is some of the red pill stuff true? Sure. But most of it is bullshit, and poisoning your mind with all the BS so you can get a few nuggets of gold is foolish. All I care about is what works down in the field. Fuck all the theories and speculation. What. Actually. Works. If I can't apply it to the field and get positive results, then its irrelevant to me and a lot of the red pill ideology is just that: Ideology.

I can usually feel it, personally, by her vibe. But I also have strategies to fish it out. If valentines day is nearby, ask: "What are you doing on valentines?//Wha have you done for valentines?" If she wears a ring, even if it isn't an engagement or marriage ring, tease her: "Oh my god, you're married?? You're so young!" That'll usually results in some back and forth where she's just joking with you, but then you can shift it to a more "Wait, for real? You're married?" And then she'll give you the real answer. Another one: Ask "My 'friend' the other day told me that she would never move in with a man ever! Apparently most girls think like this, she said. What do you think about that?" If she has a man she might casually mention it here, like "I live with my boyfriend so I disagree lol"

Also, do keep in mind that game varies a lot not only from person to person but also from culture to culture. A lot of typical pickup advice, doesn't work as well in Europe where I'm at. In Europe, being NORMAL is the way to go and a lot of push pulls and DHVs dont get you far. We have a more comfort-centric society here, while in America (and other countries) there's more emphasis on conveying value.

The best Game method is the one you create after years of trying out different models. Game, at its core, is about conveying a high value personality, which is a very personal thing depending in the guy. A good looking chad can approach super direct and get immediate results, while a conventionally physically unattractive man will have to to approach in a more indirect yet engaging fashion that buys him enough time to convey other attractive traits that might not be immediately apparent to the girl. Some guys are very social media savvy, while others arent. Some guys have a stronger personality, while others dont. Some are just horn dogs that want to fuck anything moving, while others are more selective. Who you are and your goals in dating will greatly define how you approach game. I've learned from everyone: Mystery, Todd V, RSD Max, RSD Julien, Madison, Jeffy, Karisma King, Ag Hayden, even fucking JMULV. I've tried out their philosophies, saw what worked for me and discarded the rest and kept doing that until I developed a holistic method that fits me. Learned a shit ton from 'natural' friends as well. My system is as followed: High Value Open Tease/Flirt Build Emotional Investment and Compliance Close Simple. Of course, I've been in this for 10 years, so I could write 10s of pages expanding on the above bullet points.

@VioleGrace Forget about Sasha, there's nothing to emulate there if you're serious about this shit, other than the fact that he's approaching, which is the bare minimum if you want results. This is a huge topic, but basically when you're approaching a woman you should be grounded and unreactive first. Meaning that you speak at your own pace, you have relaxed body language, steady eye contact and a voice coming straight from the diaphragm. If you ever meditated for 20-30 minutes, you'd know the feeling: just extremely present without feeling the need to perform or react to your environment. Every movement, every word, every expression is intentional and deliberate. At the same time, you should ooze a fun sensual vibe. So you're free flowing, self-amused and fun in your expression, but there's also a strong sexual aspect to it, as well. Think of any suave fictional character that you may know of, coupled with a strong dominance, boundaries and unshakableness. This is extremely hard to describe with words, but here are some habits that will help bring that forth: 1. Meditate daily for 20-30 minutes (Groundedness) 2. Cut out porn completely and limit masturbation to once every 1-2 weeks MAX (Sensuality) 3. Approach a lot with the intention of having fun talking to girls rather than to get a result for the first 3-5 interactions in a session. (Fun) 4. Have a list of standards that a girl has to meet for you to pursue her. Those include internal traits as well as how she needs to behave while interacting with you. Read the list daily. (Dominance)

I want to hear from the women here mostly, but also from the men who have successfully attracted a high quantity and quality of women in their lives. For many years, I believed the mantra "Looks and Money don't matter as long as you have good game," which was popularized by dating companies such as RSD back in the day. While that was a great delusional belief to get me started on approaching women and getting busy, over 10 years ago now, I have since learned that that wasn't entirely true. My results with women have definitely dramatically increased since taking care of my appearance more (grooming, fitness, fashion) and as I worked on other areas of my life too. Yet even then, I still bought into a lot of pickup artist concepts, such as being a Lover (the fun, short term, dominant, masculine guy that women have quick meaningless sex with) over a Provider (the boyfriend, the stable and secure type of guy with a good job) and as a result never cared too much about having a lot of money in relation to dating. However, now, I'm at a weird place in my life. Casual relationships are no longer doing it for me and I have decided to pursue the highest quality of women that I can in order to settle down with one and live happily ever after. These women are glamorous, have good jobs, very pretty, are posted on instagram with Louis Vuiton bags and Gucci and Versace. Of course, not all of them are like this, but I have noticed that the most beautiful women do seem to have their lives very well together. And, naturally, this aroused a lot of insecurity in me as of late. I'm not super secure financially -- dont even have a drivers license -- which is something that I'm actively working on. This has never been a concern for me before, as mentioned, but now that Im actually interested in a long term relationship, it's starting to weigh in on my confidence. I've dated VERY attractive women before, women of high status in my city and even attracted local celebrities, so i know it's possible but I still feel insecure about it. This is magnified further cause a woman I've been seeing lately started being slow to respond to my texts after coming over to my place for the first time (we always went to hers until then), and my mind is constructing this narrative around her losing interest because she realized I'm not financially more abundant than her. Who knows, though. I know some will say "dont worry about women now and just focus on your finances" but I don't want to reject myself and, to be honest, I want to prove to myself that I can do it regardless. So my question is as follows: How does money influence a man's attractiveness in a woman's eyes? Especially now that women seem to be way more financially secure than most men?

Non conformity is also conformity. The only way out is to do what one wants to do just cause one wants to. I do agree with the goldeb rule you shared though.

Nah. Not yet. Im still young. I will try to find an all around 10 first. If that doesnt work out then I'll see about your advice.

Uh, I actually do care that my friends are top tier as well. I don't hang around men I don't deeply respect on some regard. And yeah, my experience dating top tier women has also been that they suck at being in a relationship. They expect the world but suck at reciprocating. But in my experience, that can be "trained" in them. These women are not used to being told no or being put in their place, so when you do that as a man, it hits them 10x harder and will fight to keep you as you're such a rarity to them

I dont host events with hotter girls. I fuck hotter girls.

Brother, I didnt say they ugly. I said they're not 10s in my book. I can get girls like this easily through a session of daygame or nightgame, so it doesn't justify me going through all the shit you have to go through to build a "high value social circle" if this is the quality im getting. But then again, thats my opinion. You are entitled to yours.

Good for him. The rest of us will just sit here getting actual results while he does that.

Brother I have 10 years of pickup experience. If there's one thing that I understand very well is attraction and women. Yeah, having fun and being loose is PART of being attractive. But that has to be balanced with grounded masculinity and sensuality and dominance. Sasha comes across as an ungrounded, weird, man child that is trying waaayyy too hard. There's no tension in his interactions, no dominance, no sense that he's dangerous or preselected in any way.

Pickup isnt about comedy. Its about results. The results are being an attractive man that women gravitate to. The infield that you shared is his most well known one and he sucks in it. None of the women are attracted to him. They view him as a nuicance at worst, a clown at best. Sure, he may be teaching you how to bring the fun back in pickup, but that doesnt make him a master. Not even close Is someone teaching you how to make fitness fun a master of fitness? No. The guy who gets you the body that you want in a reasonable amount of time and who is very knowledgeable on the subject is. Sashas game is beginner level at best. Wouldnt even call him an intermediate.

@Valach I dont necessarily want a materialistic woman. I've dated one before and was perpetually annoyed by her. Just because a woman is well put together and wears designer things doesnt mean she's materialistic necessarily (although it definitely is a symptom). What I do want, is a top tier girl who I would feel represents the culmination of all the work I've put into myself. I could not be with an average in attractiveness girl, without feeling like I'm settling when I know I can attract better.

@CARDOZZO The moment you put Sasha daygame as a master, you lost all credibility.

What the fuck are "condoms"? Huh?

You're in the wrong paradigm brother. You see people in relationships everyday when you walk down the street. You think all these men in healthy, happy relationships with attractive women are doing all this bullshit to keep her entertained and around? Fuck no. Listen bro, I've been in the game for 10 years and I'm telling you the highest form of game doesnt rely on push pulls, negs, spikes, dopamine, or whatever else you said. It relies on who you are as a man. It's about your vibe, your values, your subtle dominance, the way you carry yourself through life, your masculinity, your humour, your WAY OF BEING! All pickup techniques are pointing you in this direction. The goal isnt to become the world best manipulator. It's to become a cool guy. Thats what pickup techniques are emulating: Cool Guys. They're a vehicle -- training wheels -- to get you there, not the destination itself. Once you reach that point, game becomes super easy. You show up as a self loving strong man and the right women get drawn in and are hooked for life. They dont need you to keep DOING shit for them to stay. They're deeply attracted to you. To your ESSENCE. Game is just a tool to get you there bro. And I understand this might be too high level for you. A lot of guys have to go through the journey before they finally realize they're enough, because they come from such a low place and have such a low perception of themselves that the only way they could picture a girl liking them is by DOING something more than just showing up. It doesn't compute that they can just BE. "I was being myself my whole life and no girl ever wanted me, so this is BS advice! Teach me the game, tell me how to do or become something MORE than what I am, because who I am is inherently not enough!" And that's because who you currently are is insecure, lacking self respect, supplicative, negative, unloving, bitter, resentful. The journey of pickup will eventually strip that all away by first giving you technique as a band aid solution until you slowly realize how your internal world is holding you back and finally make the decision to fucking LOVE YOURSELF. Then everything becomes easy. Good luck on your journey brother.

Random question, Leo. Did you actually care about these questions or did you ask that because you sensed that he wanted someone to ask him questions, as an act of empathy and love? Asking cause i want to be more loving myself. Although you prob wont admit it here where he can read it if thats the case lol

I agree with everything except this part. Owen clearly has issues with supplicating to women. He is a major softy at heart. That's why he popularizes terms such as Poison Dripping and is so concerned with frame control and all that shit. Because his natural self is so soft to the point where the women he dates typically step all over him. The persona he projects in his videos is him over correcting to those past experiences.

Of course everyone has relationship issues, dude. What is peculiar about Owen though is his extensive pickup and dating experience You'd think after nearly 30 years in the game, he would have figured shit out already. Pickup does have its traps when it comes to relationships, but most mentally healthy (and neurotypical) men eventually realize this and make the necessary changes. RSD Julien is married, Todd is settled down with a child and a girlfriend, Jeffy is settled with a girlfriend too, same with Max. The only ones still struggling are the neurodivergent ones such as Mystery, Jmulv (if the rumours about his relationship are true), Owen Cook etc..

Guys, I feel like a lot of what is said here is completely disregarding the fact that OWEN IS LITERALLY ON THE SPECTRUM. There are people who have met him who have said that when Owen isn't actively gaming, his autism is VERY obvious. Game for him is his lifeline to being cool, which is a big desire for him due to his childhood wounds. Couple that with his autistic obsession with status, social dynamics and influence and voilá! The reason Owen can't keep a woman is BECAUSE of his autism. He can't relate to women normally, so he has to rely on status and game tactics to attract and keep them. In his program Hot Seat at Home, he literally admits that women such as strippers naturally gravitate to him because he is good at playing the "pimp role" as he calls it. Social manipulation is how Owen relates to the world. His empathy is performative. Jeffy said so himself in RSD Luke's social circle program. He revealed that Owen has TERRIBLE social calibration because he lacks the emotional sensitivity to other people's emotions, so his whole "game" hinges on doing approaches that are SUPER STRONG - like, picking the girl up as an opener - which ends up massively polarizing the girls so much that if he meets a girl who is down then she's DOWN, but every other girl (probably 99.9999% of girls) just harshly reject him. Rsd Luke and Jeffy even mentioned that Owen regularly gets kicked out of bars and doesnt even REALIZE that he's been kicked out. He is that socially unaware because of his autism! Here is a video of another PUA coach who also noticed the peculiarities of Owen's psychology: https://youtu.be/P_lNGuuJtAo?is=efVnLFwKNLAjwrsJ