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Finally a comment from you I would give reputation to. Non of the other nonsense. You don't see in the "Reality is not a dream thread", go back and see who is reacting emotionally. "YOU MDFKR UR NOT HONEST UR WASTING UR TIME OR U WOULD TAKE THE DRUG I RECOMMEND, you unconscious little worm" that's literally your comments towards me. I cannot believe you posted ECKHART TOLLE. LOL. I'm literally his "disciple". Seriously, go to 3:20 of this video and tell me you don't see yourself being described there, and your attitude in this thread and others (the solipsistic one that I disagreed with you and gave you a challenge) .

how do you know you had a dream inside the dream and not just another normal dream following the previous one? I have died in my dreams and it went to the next dream.

So they did not call it dream? You also talked I believe about a video game you can design? Or someone else did (sorry lots of replies), but video game is still not a dream? So we agree that its not a dream? You realise you are jumping through points so wildly, because you have the idea that I am not getting something. This post is specifically for disproving that reality is a dream. Whether reality is a next gen video game or an super AI generated world, that's not part of this thread. Maybe we open another one and discuss! All im saying in this post is that reality is not a dream, and you are literally jumping all over the place, ignoring the original idea of the thread altogether and starting to defeat some stick figure you drew of me with stick figure statements and ideas. I am aware of the double slit experiment! I am aware of a lot of things but WOAH WOAH hold your horses " So that experiment PROVES ABSOLUTE SOLIPSISM...because YOU ARE ALL THERE IS!!!" WOAH!! hold oooon you're JUMPING!!! Conclusions so quickly!!! It most certainly does NOT prove Absolute Solipsism, because you have absolutely 0 clue what consciousness actually is, not even these scientists know that!!! You are aware of your limited mind idea of it and presenting that as absolute... Come on... Did you know the "theory" that even your sink is conscious? Like that consciousness is infinite? In such case there is an infinite observer and reality exists whether the limited you looks at it or not. Are you aware of the Dunning Krueger effect? You should be aware of it. You delve deeper, you will know you don't know, beyond any reasonable doubt you will know that. Your limited self has NOT solved reality and it has NOT solved existence. Its far more paradoxical for you to be able to do that. Solipsism is out the window, kill it with fire, it's a disease.

I have to say I am truly baffled by the way dreams are created! It's so magical, I've had dreams that follow such amazing and exciting "script" that I would never be able to come up with myself, as in a master movie maker has been creating it for me! It's crazy! It is way above my own capabilities for sure, that's why I say subconscious does it, because they say, the conscious mind is like the tip of the iceberg, but the biggest part of the iceberg is beneath the waters! As a child I remember fondly I had the most funny dream, with insanely funny jokes and it was like a cartoon. I can still remember the day after that dream I was telling my sister all the jokes and situations I remembered from the dream and she laughed out loud, it was the funniest dream ever! I cant imagine being so witty at a young age to come up with such jokes myself! I was just recalling my dream, unfortunately I don't remember it anymore, it was a long long time ago, but I know it was one of the craziest things that has happened to me in dreams. (Other than being spider-man which was cool af, but also scary because everyone was after me - both bad guys and police alike! )

With my first post I'm basically saying that blue is blue and trying to disprove you saying that blue is green. I'm saying that 1+1=2 while you're saying that 500+500=2 or w/e else wrong mathematical equation. When you are speaking obvious truths, its not parroting. If I want to disprove 500+500=2, I use 1+1=2 and say lets multiply both sides of equation by 500, we get 500+500 = 1000 which most obviously is not 2. I am using a truth to uncover something false and call it out. That's not parroting, altho I am sure many have used the 1+1=2 equation before! I call out nondual parrots, because I know exactly how they speak and know the types of gurus and books or videos they learnt it from. No one will talk this way if they weren't introduce to nonduality and the information I have seen myself. Someone on this forum once called me "immune to zen devilry" or something of the sort. I like to think that is true. Maybe I called myself that! Doesn't matter. Things that are true on quantum level are not true outside of the quantum level. Don't worry mate your mother exists, she also has awareness and materialises the world around her on a quantum level if you will, without you seeing it or being able to acknowledge it. Same for me. You will just never know what you don't know and your ego has ran away with a deep nondual insight and claims to have the ultimate truth! Snap out of this spiritual ego trap, or at least look further, maybe I am not talking absolute bullsh`t.

Thats some mental gymnastics I have to go through just to be able to call reality a dream. Duuuuh it is a dream, but im also dreaming inside the dream and the dream inside the dream does not follow the same logic as the dream outside of the dream... Wait , why am i calling it a dream then, maybe i should think of a different label if its different? If literally it is not like a dream at night, why am I calling it a dream FML. Wait, I have an idea, let's call it re-a-lity, if it is not like a dream at night! Qualified PS: I've literally never had a dream inside of a dream while im actually dreaming at night, how come? You would think if there is a chain, you would have infinite dream inside a dream, but I've literally only ever experienced "Real life dream" (allegedly) and "Dream at night", i've never experienced Dream inside dream at night (which would have even further changed laws within it), why is that?

Who am I parroting? I've literally never seen anyone here write the things I am? Notice you were challenged to debunk my facts about dreams and their inconsistency with this reality and now you're talking to me about awakening as if it is really hard. In dreams at night it is really not that hard to awaken and be lucid. Pick up a book on lucid dreaming if you want the techniques. Try to pick up a book in an actual dream tho, that will be hilarious if I could see you trying to read actual text inside of a dream. LMAO You are helping me with another fact here, lets say you ARE correct and that its really hard to awaken in reality. That is yet another point that differs from actual dreams, disproving yet again the notion that reality is a dream, on actual paper. What more do you need? I am saying reality is not a dream, I am not talking about awakenings per say. Perhaps you have reached some form of deep awakening, but now the ego is running away with ideas that they know it all and placing labels where it is wrong to do so. I do not doubt you have had some deep experiences bro, but reality is still not a dream based on the 8 differences between dreams and reality I have mentioned. Is that so hard to see? Its right in front of your face, on paper. You don't even need drugs to see it, just honesty, so lets not talk about honesty here.

I refer you to the point where fact is: in dreams you cannot read! If this was a dream all words would be jumbled up! They will dance around and move as im reading too! Ive had dreams like that, ive never had a dream where i can read text!

Reality is not a dream, its reality, there's a reason we have 2 different words, 2 different signposts. Saying reality is a dream is a sensationalist bs statement that is not based in reality, but in people's dreams.

Refer to my first post full with 8 facts about dreaming that are not seen in or consistent with real life. Debunking the myth that reality is a dream once and for all .

Well, i dont know! I didnt get the chance to see in that particular dream, because i stepped out of bounds and got kicked out or whatever. But yes why not, ive done many things in lucid dreams, but as I say the most common desire people go for when they lucid dream is to fly! You mightve done it as a kid and dont remember. I dont think you can make the bush disappear but yu can choose what to interact with and if you run to another location it will disappear that way, i wouldnt say you can make it disappear by wishing it, but perhaps its possible!

Snap out of it, you dont have loved ones in a dream. You are confused beynd belief. To have loved ones to bet tis needs to be real you get me? You are betting figments of your imagination, I would never bet the life of my loved ones because I know they are real. Also you have a lot to say in your other comments but al you do is tell me to take drugs and /or link me other peoples videos instead of you yourself debunking those "easly debunkable facts" ive said. I smoke weed my friend. I have experienced a lot of shit. Facts remain facts

Yes, ofcourse! You start choosing what to do rather than unconsciously going through the dream, and you are not limited anymore by the dream. One good example of this is one time i gained lucidity in a dream, i got naked in a public place and decided to see what will happen if i jump in the nearby bushes - spoiler when i did that, the dream broke because it couldn't continue generate the supposed reality because i did something unpredictable. If it was real life i wouldve been very hurt and bruised by the branches and weeds i jumped into, but what happened is, because it was a dream everything just turned black and i lost lucidity after that, i think the dream just ended

If i had a character in my actual dream say this exact same thing i would be able to agree, because i will remember Ah yes, im that guy sleeping and dreaming this, i remember now thanks *gains lucidity*. In this case you're telling me this i wont be able to imagine who is dreaming this (God supposedly) , i cant remember being God and having a life outside of this "dream" . So why is there a difference? Why can I easily recall my life outside a dream when i gain lucidity, but I cant do it here? Should I spell it out? Because its Not A Dream. For a moment you started speaking from direct experience and then reverted back to your nondual belief that you are God dreaming this, as if this makes any sense if you dont remember being God? Its just some belief u picked up that sounded true and you ran with it. I ask again where are my special abilities?

I actually cant, I dont usually choose what I dream and always if yu gain lucidity you can break the laws of physics that were in place before that. Show me someone claiming to be lucid fly without external help and i will be onboard! Waiting

Not at all, I welcome the conversation, I asked for it! I know where you're coming from and saying the things you're saying, im here to claim this is all because of a belief and not direct experience. You are saying I am awareness and not the bodymind organism! Ive been there. Ive witnessed and said things similar to you! Things are happening and there is no doer of them. But lets examine, if you forget about nonduality speech and what you've learnt from others, do you get thirsty now and then and drink water? Also, If you say you imagine drinking water, dont you need to have experienced something for real before you can imagine its taste and feeling? What im saying is , can you imagine (correctly) what it would taste like to eat something you've never actually eaten? Where is the basis of what youre imagining? How convenient is it that in my imagination im imagining a world that can completely be explained by laws of physics rather than being crazy impossible like people flying at will and transforming to whatever they like whenever they feel like it? How come not even a single hour of my life i havent imagined and gone through a wall? Please endulge me.

Do you drink water? Lets put the bs aside and go to the point please, do you drink water? Or do you imagine drinking water?

Can you do it at will, or it has happened a few times without your attempt? You revisited the same dream after you woke up from it - ok have you revisited this reality after you woke up from it? If I become lucid inside my dream I can think about my real self that is sleeping in bed, how come right now I cant even imagine the "sleeping in bed" character that is dreaming this dream? You sound very sensationalist, exactly the type of person my thread wants to target. How wise it sounds that reality is a dream, you must be a guru!

Im feelin sleepy right now i might go for a nap! 😲

If I speak with a dream character inside a dream and they tell me im dreaming I'd probably gain lucidity and be able to wake up from the dream easily. The opposite of stuck. Why is this a dream again? Same rules dont apply.

Well i didn't really research, I have always been fascinated by dreams and in fact the first spiritual book I read was Charlie Morlie's book "Dreams of awakening" which opened me up to lucid dreaming and he has written the book to be a mix between lucid dreaming and eastern spirituality. He talks a lot about befriending your fears and using lucid dreaming for conscious meditation inside the dream and supercharging your practice

Thanks, how do I dream the opposite? Instructions not clear

I give a damn about you. It's easier to see the faults in others than in yourself. Sometimes someone else has to step in and help you. You think you are helping me? What if I am helping you? Or are you beyond that. You believe you have figured it all out and now you are going to preach? Why, because you took a drug and had a strong experience? Now all of a sudden everyone who hasn't taken the drug is beneath you and you are their teacher? If they don't accept your teaching at face value they are ignorant? Please, you don't have to answer me, just be true to yourself when reading this.

Nope, you are assuming things about me which are not true. I do NOT believe consciousness is within my brain. You seem to be arguing with your idea of me and not me, wherever have I said consciousness is within my mind, jeez, you really put me as some absolute newbie here... And the way you say it like you know who I am and what I believe and practice? Where you get tripped up is that you equate consciousness with a bigger Mind. As mentioned in a previous comment, consciousness is Not mind, it is the empty canvas for all minds to be able to exist. It is not an object and not a self. It is not an "it". You cannot point to it, you cannot put it inside the small box and call it I. That's the mind. My mind is one of many, your mind is one of many, you have painted with a broad brush and placed your assumption that consciousness is mind and now present it as truth. I have been doing self inquiry for a long long looooong time, it is my one and only practice, if you can call it a practice, because it is a natural process. Am I really seeing this, am I seeing you recommending self inquiry to me? Well gee... You have to see that you're just giving me your belief, you're telling me things "how they are". Where have I seen that before? Only every single religion that exists. Very pretentious ending to your comment as well. You basically said "If you don't believe me, you're wrong, Im not gonna "beat you over the head with it" but you're wrong... End of story no backsies!" From Razzard I get only strong Spiritual ego vibes with even stronger cognitive dissonance, he's probably not even reading my replies to him, because he feels threatened, its not something new! His very identity feels threated by anyone who disagrees with him and that's not nice. All my points are valid and I am seeing no attempt by him to clarify his stance. As for your statement, that you need to be at higher level of consciousness to see it, I can come here and say "Everything is pink" "if you don't believe me, you're just not seeing it, you need higher level of consciousness" - mate you will never be able to see everything as pink, but you will never know it, because what if you're just not at high enough level of consciousness yet? In an infinite game there can always be higher. Think about that for a second when your sole argument against someone disagreeing with you is that they are low consciousness.

Not knowing is the ultimate enlightened state as far as I am concerned. Your friend is on the money. Doesn't sound great to the ego, the ego wants to figure it out - "this is the answer, i got it", "I have now completed the game, easy!" Becomes especially strong when it is a spiritual ego and they actually are fully certain they reached the endgame, by means of some crazy spiritual experience where they merge with the Absolute. It's not sexy to say, I dont know. It doesn't sell books! For financial enlightenment, you need to have something something for the buyer you get me