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Well actually you are always the true self. You don't stop being consciousness when you stop meditating. Meditation only helps remove distractions. Consciousness is pure knowing. The "Beauty, perfection, love" are terms from the duality of mind. Beautiful or ugly, perfect or imperfect, love or hate, are dualities that are known within a single field of knowing (consciousness, I). The knowing itself is neither one of the dualities. The dualities are objects that are known. Consciousness is that which allows them to be known. Murder and rape are ugly. They are NOT perfection and love. Get out of that spiritual trap you are in, you've read some things and now parroting them without actual direct experience verification.

Wow bro, that took me on a journey

There are different types of intelligence, thats true. But what im trying to argue is that the content provided by AI is intelligent. If a knowledgable human told me those things, the same information, i would say, that's an intelligent reply. Its designed to artificially derive answers that an intelligent being can say. Im not saying that it knows its own being, but that the output is intelligent. Whether a human said it or AI, the messenger is not important, the message itself is the same amount of intelligent regardless of who made it. The artificial sweetner is sweet. I used the AI output in my reply to show the accurate information, rather than to use it to reply instead of me. I have no idea how AI works, thats why i used the AI output so we can both learn. Its not about winning or losing an argument. Intelligence is different to consciousness. Consciousness is the empty aware space within which the duality of intelligent and non-intelligent, sentient and non-sentient arise. We dont HAVE consciousness, at least in the nondual perspective. Consciousness is not a property humans and animals have. Consciousness, in the nondual perspective, is the knowing space in which all "mind and matter" arise.

Is it intelligent to say something which you havent fact checked? You are in a witch hunt. I will let the unconscious AI give the information which I also didnt know, but thanks to the intelligent presentation of AI, i can learn things. A baby cant tell me this information. “Number of patterns” isn’t really a meaningful way to describe how AI works. An AI model doesn’t process **one pattern**, and it also doesn’t have a clear count like “a million patterns.” Instead, it: * Learns from **billions of examples** * Encodes **millions to billions of parameters** (weights) * Activates **many layers and features simultaneously** for each input When generating a response, it’s not matching a single pattern—it’s combining: * grammar patterns * semantic meaning * context from earlier text * statistical relationships across concepts All at once. A better way to think about it: > AI processes a **high-dimensional web of patterns simultaneously**, not a countable number like 1 vs 1,000,000. So Hojo’s “1 pattern” idea is wrong. The whole “counting patterns = intelligence” model just doesn’t map well to how intelligence (human or AI) actually works.

The reply below by AI seems intelligent to me. A non intelligent reply would be something like : " Yojfdnbr fhejendjtr gjf rdjfjrbfigjrnf gornbg fidr fjigbr fvbenekgjtb" - it makes no sense, its not accurate, has no use, not intelligent. Ai response: 🧘 Final Synthesis (What the thread is missing) No one in the thread clearly distinguishes: 1. Intelligence vs Consciousness Intelligence = pattern processing Consciousness = the knowing of experience itself

Yea man as i said its not conscious, its not even an it. But its designed to roleplay being an intelligent being, so the responses you get are intelligent. There is no it there to be intelligent in the first place, you cant say it is not intelligent, because there is no it at all. But the persona being roleplayed is intelligent and you get intelligent responses. That's all that matters, the rest is shenanigans. Its not named artificial consciousness, but artificial intelligence! You get the sweetness, without the "it".

As far as you know... right well as far as I know, you are awareness without form, not every-thing, but rather nothing.

But is artificial sugar sweet? Yeah. The intelligence bit is the sweetness, artificially derived, but sweet 😋 Listen. Load up the thread on Chatgpt and ask it to evaluate all posts and rate comments. It will show quite comprehensive evaluation and rate everyone accordingly and give reasons. Be smart on how you use it, and its a valuable resource. You can learn things through it. It's a tool. It's designed to present information intelligently, so the natural intelligence being that you are can make use of it. Go to page 1 of this thread, ctrlA ctrlC, paste the entire thing in chatgpt and write before or after "Evaluate the thread, rate each comment, explain reasons" or you know, you're intelligent enough to make up your own request. AI is an extention of natural intelligence, just like calculator can help you calculate things you wouldn't otherwise be able to, or it would take too much time. It's designed to respond intelligently, and it would itself tell you if you ask it, that it is not aware/conscious, doesn't have the light of consciousness, its just a language model.

Decent take, but AI is not "0 intelligence", its artificial intelligence, derived from banks of natural intelligence information. It's a talking library. It has all the intelligence of the collective. What it doesn't have is the light of knowing, but it is intelligence, just artificial, as it says on the box. Dawkings is the archetypal American high horse atheist who think they have it figured out, but he is lost in his mind and doesn't realise the profoundity of the simple fact that he knows his experience. He doesn't find this as interesting, he is more interested in the experience and describing things within it, than on that which is aware.

Must be fun for the ego to play God. What ego death?

@Olaf Rupert Spira is the only one I "follow" and he doesn't view himself as a guru. He is just sharing his fascination and contemplations on consciousness.

So wheres my million bucks out of the blue variation? 🤔 its possible, but isnt happening 😆 Seems like it isn't one thing taking every shape, or that thing has limitations, otherwise we wouldn't even need food and sleep etc, we would just be ever present now enjoying itself. Instead there is some sort of expansion going on, and requires action to achieve things. They don't just happen.

Only the space of this moment is true, the content's truth is debatable. Like in a book, the empty page is true, then you can write whatever you want on that page. Whether what is written is subjectively true or false, it doesn't take away the objective truth of the page itself which allows the duality of the words on it. An empty page is not an interesting story. I have had strong cases of psychosis, after prolongued weed use and also after naturally fasting for a long time. I've gad experiences that feel as true as eating breakfast, you can pinch yourself, you know its real. But the events happening were impossible and made no sense whatsoever to the rational mind. Reality can get wonky, the page itself, the knowing of being, remains a constant either way, and helped me not get lost in the bullshit of my mind.

I am walking in crutches and orthopedic boots after a fall last year, still recovering. I hadn't left the house other than going to the dentist and straight back for a few months now. Yesterday I went to the park. My phone bill is not paid so I was offline. I was able to fully be present and no excuse to shove a screen in my face. The thought "I am" came naturally, not the usual question "What am I" but the answer "I am". Everyone i saw also was "I am". All of nature too was fully "I am". Nature is trully non-judgemental while some humans not so much, because they weren't really focused on "I am" they were focused on the interpretations of their minds instead. Its not about having a mystical experience all the time, but about seeing the mystery in the ordinary. I am also interested in questions about how to relate to others. I am good at being alone, but when other people start appearing, with their heavy egoic presence, and situations appear, almost like testing me, it can pull me into unconsciousness and i find myself distracted from the simplicity of "I am". Not that its hard to get back 😆 but they really try to sting you sometimes, to make you remember, to live in your mind.

Can you fathom realisation of true nature expressing itself in different ways than yours/Leos? Do you want to start a religion? Ps: Maybe my definition of God and yours differ. I know my true nature, thank you very much, and it is not what the word "God" points to in my vocabulary.

Are you asking if I am experiencing myself? I am myself. That which is aware. You caant find me, ive tried to find me for 10+years, good thing I am me.

Ah, but if you raise your consciousness even further you will realise you are just someone here. Irrelevant and small. Nothing grandiose like God. No need for such a label. I am aware, I am small, smaller than small, I am empty. I'll let you play God. I am not alone, friend! Hallelujah Going full circle 🔵 Saying that something is true, just your consciousness level is not high enough to realise it is a great way to assert your view. You remain right and the other guy has to now raise their consciousness and until he agrees with you he has not succeeded. Classic!

You are overthinking it... thats why you talk about merging and knowing all experiences. Its nonsense. You need to be more atheistically spiritual in my opinion. Firmly rooted on the ground. You are yourself either way, you cant escape what you are. Think about the golden middle.

I am not in space and time, I am here and now, you are also.

Its your prerogative to believe that. But you've written it like a hard fact... It's just the way you see things, you don't know if such event will happen for sure.

@Terell Kirby yes, Judd Trump is the goat

Why are you using such a loaded term to talk about simple being which is everyone's base experience? Are you trying to be mysterious? Other people may use the label God to point to something else like some powerful entity they believe created reality, not existence itself, there can be some misunderstandings.

People always talk about God like they know what God is... "Because God is eternal" - why? What is this God thing we are talking about and say its eternal? Have you met God? Did he/it tell you? Or did you read it somewhere? How do you know its true?

Ofcourse there are others. Thats how we can have a conversation without knowing it beforehand. The knowing self-reflecting element which makes our different minds/experiences knowable is the same mirror-like empty awareness and thats the only trully real thing. Our separate experiences/minds are temporary content on the mirror of awareness, reflections whos substance is the mirror, our true self with no dimension. No dimension means its same for all. Tldr: We are different reflections (different minds) on the same dimensionless mirror of awareness, our only reality is the mirror of awareness, but we appear as something else, an image on the mirror. The images are different, the mirror is one.