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But if i became enlightened, i wouldnt have problem with my job? Its not all that bad, but the thing is it requires me to think and right now im practising not thinking and i just want to sit and do nothing

Wont i die a painful death by hunger? Would be no problem if i could eat sunlight, but i am currently a prisoner of needs. Also i love watermelon ?

But its sexier!

Nice try, but i said go not walk. Also it doesnt only have to mean nothingness. If one is supposedly enlightened and knows that he is everything, there are definitely particles or whatevers that go through walls.

What bout my problem? Me as a human, not as conciousness, want to do nothing and dont enjoy my work, but i need to go to feed myself. I get frustrated that i cant just do nothing and live. Man i wish i was a plant.

Is enlightenment not just the recognition that whatever you are seeing and experiencing is inside of yourself? Rupert gets the listener there so effortlessly through the vortex of the mind. Its like the dog and the human. The bubble inside the dogs head is what he sees feels etc without labeling them. For human, the bubble has become thoughts and labels... So isnt enlightenment seeing for example the street while you are walking and knowing that all this is happening within you. Like having a thought ? bubble containing what you see and not thinking about this or that or about future and past? And realizing all you feel as to sensations and smells are all already within you, hence realizing you are at least a 4d being and not the human you were mistaking yourself for? Asking cause confused ?

Whatever helps you sleep at night man. Im already doing the questioning. Thats exactly what the gurus are saying, or are you blind

Ok if you're not enlightened why are you eben talking. I might need to post my initial question in another thread. It might surprise you, but i wasnt asking only you, but anyone who knows. If you don't, there might be someone else who does. Nice talk PS: The True Goal of Life: http://youtu.be/NTh56DJ2_LQ Is Rupert Spira a new age hippy or are your views somehow wrong? There is no other option im afraid ?

Right on, o enlightened one, you seem a bit jealous about those still able to feel happiness? Maybe one day you will get out of this depression. Go on, commit mass murder, be the next hitler. Dont forget to also kill all the children who are constantly playing and having fun. Because they are trully in the wrong here. Life is definitely not about happiness. I bow to you wise one.

Just to make you aware, that i made an edit to my post, the Ps part. Now this... Empirical, i am doing that. Not taking anything out of my experience for true. I am following my own experience. Why must you judge? You think you have it all figured out, dont you. I am not seeking enlightenment through this, at least not your enlightenment. I dont want to turn into a judgemental forum ghost ? Thats why i later wrote extralightenment. Because i believe that knowing the truth and being happy is better than simply knowing some truth that makes you cranky and defensive

Im sorry if you never felt what i am talking about, because if.you did, you wouldnt be saying this. There are infinite infinities in infinity. Believing you have the ultimate and only truth is disturbing my sentience Ps: i am already aware they are experiences. I am not referimg to the labels but to actual experience, which is real. And if its an experience that doesnt make it meaningless. Thats the entire meaning. Its a song. Every note matters, but you'd prefer if the melody is nice. You cant say you would choose to be painfully tortured rather than be massaged by beautiful naked ladies with a happy finish. Or would you? Weird.

Relax. I mean pleasure, happiness, as opposed to unhappiness and pain. From the point of view of the person i am experiencing. The kind of fullness i get when the person i am experiencing gets high on weed and then smokes a cigarette to ground himself. When i experience my brain as a ball ofexplosion. What im askimg is, is there an extralightened state where you can feel that way whenever you like or always, without the drugs.

Is there a type of enlightenment where one can freely choose how they feel no matter the circumstances? Thats what i initially thought about enlightened state before i started. More like not choose how they feel, but be able to feel pleasurably and full (happiness) no matter their circumstances? I.e. One that can fully control ttheir state, not necessarily one that knows the ultimate truth or whatever.

Your comment brang me more clarity on the matter also, tnx. So our god, human creator is the ego. But that god is a liar, and since we want truth, we are trying to defeat our god - the ego. Remember the story about brahman, vishnu and krishna? And how brahman lied basicly and was cursed? But the creator of this universe was him. But it is in the nature of such a god to lie, because how can you make something out of nothing without lying? Fun stuff to think about for me Oh and also, id like to add: Lying is part of infinity, so it is part of the truth! I am a lot like Brahma, i guess i was made in his image, i dont always say the teuth Ps: a trap is good when it seduces the targets. You catch fish with bait... Just a thought ?

Its simple really. Is he the body? No. Is he the nothingness? Yes. Is nothingness going through a wall right now? (insert anything in place of wall). And there you have it Thats why Sadhguru has said he can go through walls. Like how is it that one can say they are enlightened and then keep identifying as the form they are. I am just saying these things from watching him respond to leos video. He seemed like he has all the knowledge. And yet he still hasnt accepted in reality that he is not the body and that he is limitless.

Naked reality said you cant go through walls, he basically is not conciousness, because he doesn't recognize that he has gone through walls and he is doing it even now. How is he claiming to be enlightened

Ok, so while i was dreaming last night, i experienced absolute nothingness just as you are saying. Everything vanished. It was like my dream self fell into the void. I felt like i was rearranging my dream brain in a certain way to fall into it. Damn i want this to happen in waking too, but my dreams are much more advanced :-D. even tho within my dream i felt the sort of fear as to do i really want to return to that nothingness, or do i want to continue living. Because it seemed like i could basically choose to go there, and it happened twice.. And it felt like... I didnt exist anymore. Btw that dream was for sure induced by this thread so ty. Ps: i guess an experience is an experience, doesnt matter much whether its dream or waking, as Rupert says

did you.. blink?

watch from this point for 30 seconds or so. Leo merged with his lamp!

silence!

So maybe we should all finally agree with Maharshi and conclude that silence is best. lol

Well for sure nobody succeeded to be enlightened or anything else by not being in the now, because they can't not be in the now

Are you saying that you know for a fact that infinite bliss does not exist?

-Do you see God? -I don't -This is a doubt. You are not the doubt. Remove the doubt. -What do you see? Thank you for that, I had the heartiest laugh ever, while watching mooji's laughing buddha videos and this. Genius! hahahah, I already got told to keep quiet, because Im waking up the neighbour

Made this just now. After I started hardcore self enquiry one day, I suddenly decided to take a slightly different path on my way home from work and I stumbled on this beauty! Coincidence!