Dodo

When you're having sex with your girlfriend, are you having sex with a thought? There is a tangible human being which is not a thought. It's oversimplifying things to claim that human is just a thought!! All yor girlfriends are imaginary?

By the human that is not a thought.

I wouldnt be identifying with pissing my pants, I would just be doing it like an animal. See a tree and go piss. No waiting for a toilet, because you need to identify as human for that...

There is no thought of hunger, there is just the feeling/sensation of hunger which is irrelevant to my thoughts. I could be thinking I am a clown living on mars, but hunger would still appear if I do not eat. I am a human irrelevant to what I think I am also. I was a human as a baby, even though I wasn't thinking I am a human. This problem of thinking does not apply to me, I can become free of thought by paying attention to the spaces between thoughts. This does not stop hunger. And I need to be identified with the body in order for the body to act as a unit and go do something about it. Sitting there expecting God to magically poof you a bowl of soup and spoon feed you is useless as it has never happened before and will never happen. You are either going to be saved by your own identification with the body or by another person's identification with body. If noone identified as a body, the body would die - period. You are saying to yourself you are not identified with the body and yet let me ask you a simple question: Do you have hands? If you do, then you are not awareness, but a human body. Let me remind you that awareness does not have hands. The simplicity of this fact is probably what makes it so hard for you to grasp!! You are human bro!!

I am pretty sure that the body without a sense of self will just be like a baby - that type of person would need to be cared for by the others (more egoic) individuals, because such an entity that does not care for its existence cannot survive. The Buddha was staying under a tree not eating for many many days (allegedly), until an identified being came to him and forced him to eat. He was becoming insane. He needed some sanity. Then he started eating and all was well. He understood that being empty awareness alone is throwing the baby with the bath water. Identification with body IS NEEDED.

I am a human being and a human being has needs such as hunger, thirst etcetera which need to be met. If they arent met, the life that a human is will fade.and i have no evidence of life apart from this one human life ai am experiencing. This life as pure awareness that doesnt need anything is just a sales pitch that is given to a human being in suffering so as to make the human confused. It doesnt solve the humans problems. It is my experience that I am an alive human being and there is something magical about trusting your experience. Part of that magic is not dropping dead from hunger and thirst because you are identified as an empty space of awareness. The space is there, yes, but it is not me, the space of awareness is God!! The creator, the one that allows the human to exist.

I am never identified as 'hungry'. That is just misunderstanding. Ofcourse my identity is not "Hungry". But I am feeling hungry!! You are over simplifying things because you read some Ramana Maharshi or Eckhart Tolle. Ofcourse I am not the hunger, but I still need to put food in my stomach or i will suffer, no matter how much I manipulate myself into believing I am not hungry, the feeling of hunger doesnt care what my identity is. Perhaps your suggestion is a fast track to anorexia. I dont want that.

I don't want to seek Truth. It's dumb to seek Truth. Truth is always here now,why should I seek it? It's only logical to seek that which you do not have. If I already have it I do not need to seek it. That's why I seek money.

I just need a million bucks to drop from somewhere and I'll show you how I can embody that idea. It's easy ti make money when you have money.

once you deconstruct the self its time to deconstruct the no self

I would be jealous if he had 1 million in the bank that's true. Sue me. I want to live an abundant life. I am not jealous of delusions

Exactly!! LOA is pure bullshit!!! Never had any magical results!! I only ever got money from my work! They say "You have to believe for it to work" lololol and how to believe if there are no results to make me believe?? :D:D omg LOA is one of the most annoying shits!!! Its full proof!! There is no way to prove LOA wrong, because if you try to do so, they will start jumping you saying "Its not working bcuz u dont believeeeeeeeeeeee" "you gotta beeeeeeeeliiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeve" Wow. Well I believe enough to listen to those hour long binaural beats sessions daily and meditate to them!! And no results. Just the interest on my loans growing bigger!! It seems that those LOA videos are working for the banks instead!! The house always wins they say

Money excites me. It promises me freedom and opportunity. I am trying to follow money... but it just keeps going out of my pocket instead!!! How can I follow it when it runs away???

I also had a fart today I want to congratulate YOU that YOU realised that there is no YOU. What a load of bollocks!!!

Well u said it, Bashar said it, many have said it - follow what excites you. I really want to have money. I dont have looks, I dont have smarts, I want to have SOMETHING ffs!! Self inquiry is pretty much there most the time - from the frantic WHO AM I questioning, to the silent recognition that I am the observer and not the observed which makes me feel falsely happy and safe (like a drug high for a while). Then I snap back to reality and realise I gotta pay the rent and now need to go slave myself to milk some money from the system to survive. Oh shoot!!

Its true tho, I've listened to 1000s of hours of LOA / Abundance / Wealth binaural beats and meditations!! I am currently at 10k+ in debt. Nice going!! Most these videos said "100% results" Oh I see!! Tell me more!!

I know that it will give me happiness. I would be able to get my favourite takeaway every day. I would be able to go to Amsterdam and enjoy true FREEDOM!! My man!! I am a prisoner of society :))) The alternative is to cut my throat and seek happiness in the beyond.. Dropping the "false body"... Im pretty sure I will get there after a "long and prosperous" life anyway! Better have some fun in the meantime.... no?? But now to make the millions... This is the hard part!! Unless I get lucky with my investments. Law of attraction failing me daily... Never seen it working, unless I do the working!! Me- the body!!!!

Yes this is all good stuff!! But how practical is it... Ofcourse Rupert Spira is the best and I have heard all of those and followed those pointings.. I always return to being a body that needs to have food, needs to sleep, needs comfort and many other things like money to be alive, healthy and happy. In deep sleep I do not need those things and I do not crave anything, I do not identify as anything but I also do not experience happiness. I experience nothingness - I want to be happy, to EXPERIENCE happiness. I want to be rich and be able to afford good food, travelling, to be able to build a family and live "The dream". If I were Jane's infinite mind, I would never want Mary to suffer. Who cares if Mary thinks she is Mary and not Jane. Jane is so infinite it shouldn't be a problem for Jane to give Mary the BEST life she can possibly have. If I really am the creator of my own reality, why am I making this body suffer? It doesn't seem right. I would NEVER do that. I am not a sadistic fuck like Jane's infinite mind. Must be my humanity speaking.

Oh you're not fair with that dream stuff. Ofcourse in my dreams I get identified as another body. I've even been a flying toy car in my dreams that I was identified as. But there is no other "I" there. Awareness is God, not me. I do not make the dreams, I am just the egoic entity inside. I am the flying car, I am the dream body, I am the waking body. I am not God.

Look I think we are on about different things. You are talking about some intangible "I". I am talking about what the word I refers to. One of the most tangible and obvious things in our existence. The body. The body is the biological system you are talking about. This is the I, I think the title was quite simple.. Perhaps this is too simple to grasp (wink). Ok let me for a moment agree with you as if I was speaking about this esoteric intangible I you are talking about. The I is redundant- ok - to whom is it redundant? From your comment the answer would be - to the biological system. Well so forget about this redundant I, the I is obviously the biological system, not that redundant I thought that takes credit. The biological system is I. The body is I. Hence the title of my post - I refers to the body.... I knoooow in this community we are forced to believe that saying "I am the body" is blasphemous!!! But it is just my experience. If I truly was PURE AWARENESS - what is all this going to the toilet business? Lets work with simple things here, simple things!! Toilet!!

Ok, but there is a problem here which I dont think you can easily see. This is like the kid laughing at the naked king. You are made to see the king as having clothes, because this is what spirituality teaches. First of all, the self referencial is a feature rather than a bug. It is the way in which we are able to act in a way that is not only based on animalistic instincts. Yes animals do pretty well without an I thought, but they sure still do act as if they are their bodies and follow their body's desires for food sex and etcetera. One can say they are even more identified, just cannot think it or express it. This Gart Weber you are referring to... Are you referring to his enlightened identity as empty awareness or as the bodymind that wrote a statement about itself and its life? Yeah, the latter indeed... The king without clothes. Its obvious to those not indoctrinated.

To be Enlightened means to be yourself. I'm pretty sure everyone is themselves, no other option!!! Congrats!!

Enlightenment stereotypes be like... Facepalm! Emptiness is neither humble nor not humble. Enjoy your life and drop this heavy stuff... This forum has become too heavy. There was a time where we shared love to each other - what is important.

Everyone is enlightened

Yes, awareness cannot be known as an object