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@egoless Here's a thought. What kind of relationship do you want? If your answer is a long term, lasting relationship, then think about it for a moment; wouldn't you want to hang around those ppl who have already made it there as a result? Then, you could ask them the proper questions, like where did you meet, what were the signs, and what are the qualities of a great relationship? If the person(s) did not have any experience in this area, or poor experience in this area, then what can he/she tell you? You got to be careful in this area too. Be open-minded and use your judgements wisely. It's not like a career or life purpose where you try it, and it didn't work out, and then you go for something else.

That was what I was hinting at here.

@Hardkill I would continue to work on job, career, and life purpose no matter what -- on a daily basis. It will get meaningful as you go along and will help you to survive.

No Leo, it's the battery that sits under the whole pyramid. Otherwise, WiFi wouldn't work.

Interesting thread, Leo. I said this before in another thread. There's a saying: "It's not about the pointer; it's about what's being pointed at." So, in this case, if you're teaching non-duality, like through a life purpose, you got to be aware of what your followers are doing. If you live with them in an ashram especially, they may not give you the best reputation when they misbehave or if society doesn't accept their behaviour. They may misinterpret that. The media may also misinterpret that and it goes out of line.

There's a saying: "It's not about the pointer; it's about what's being pointed at."

It's a sport with this type of attitude:

There's no such thing as "false." Anything is possible. It's infinite. I wasn't even comparing human consciousness to that of objects. Objects do have their own consciousness. Did you see any of Leo's enlightenment videos? He did mention it somewhere, and I agree. If you have to spend time in a phenomenon (ego of any kind), why spend it in suffering of any kind? Why wish that onto someone else (who is also 'you')? (Note: Maybe what you're saying is correct if you're experiencing the divine Absolute Infinity. I doubt it since you're typing onto your computer screen. But, like I said, the Absolute doesn't suffer. It's everything and the end of the journey. Everything put together cannot be an embodiment. Everything neutralizes each other out. I bet if you became the Absolute at the time of your death, it won't be the same as an enlightenment experience.)

@Serotoninluv Cool! Yeah, mastery in something is definitely a vehicle for living a fulfilling life. Looks like if you are born into something else, you're not given a choice to discover your mastery. Objects like the sun and even other animals are just given certain abilities, and that's it. They were not given a choice to discover their path.

What you said here reminds me of a strange loop story: The Stone Cutter There was once a stone cutter who cuts stones for a living but wasn't happy with his occupation. He worked in the hot baking sun. He looked up at the sun one day and said, "Look how magnificent and powerful the sun is! It can just sit there burning anything." On his next life he became the proud sun and just freely extended his rays everywhere. Then he saw something quickly approach him, and that was a large cloud that just covered him up. "Ah man!" he cried, "now I can't extend my sun rays anywhere. I wish I'm as powerful as a cloud." On his next life he became a quick moving cloud that covered the sun and poured rain everywhere. He was freely going anywhere he wished until he bumped into a tall mountain. "Now I understand that mountains are the most powerful! They can block anything! Nothing gets in their way! I wish that I'm a powerful tall mountain!" His wish was granted on his next life. He became a powerful tall mountain and just stood there proudly. "What can be more satisfying than to live long and strong as a mountain! Even the people paint pictures of me and think I'm beautiful and majestic." He stood there for years smiling. Until one day, he overheard that the people were trying to build train tracks and he was blocking the path. The mountain thought proudly that nothing can happen to him until a stone cutter came along and started drilling him. You see, Leo, if you can learn all your lessons in this life, there is no need for you to go through multiple strange loops like this. Like you said somewhere in your blog -- life is a school. It's time to learn all your lessons and graduate.

Nice one. How about... "A person who has walked through the deepest hell and became it will think that earth is heaven and life is the most precious gift."

How do you become Absolute Infinity (no-self) after your real death? (If you have an answer to this, explain the path.)

@MarkusSweden I understand what you're trying to say here, but like I said before in another thread, you really need to get a move on with your life purpose if you want to fight this with peace on a large scale. It goes something like this: discovery of life purpose while working in career ---> entrepreneurship ---> philanthropist ---> sage/guru/saint/etc. Once you've reached the later stages, you'll know what to do because you have discovered and developed yourself to that level. Don't think of yourself as part of a "race" or "religion." Don't think like the masses. That's not part of enlightenment. Ultimately, we are one and race and religion are duality/ego/delusion. If massive violence does happen, it will be easier for you to escape it if you have developed yourself. Then, you could think of what to do next to help on a large scale.

@Leo Gura Note: I like our discussion here.

Ok! I like this part, especially what you said about person A and person B. I have mentioned the person B type here. However, you talked about karma in your video and your blog. https://actualized.org/insights/understanding-karma And, that life is a school and everything is interconnected. You said that somewhere in your blog. That means, you can't just accept the fact that your leg is being sawed off and then you are happy and fulfilled, and you'll become no-self after you die, and you think that's how it works. Nope. The chances are higher to get closer to the no-self (after death) if you start to learn all your lessons in life. There has been reports of ppl experiencing hell phenomenon of some kind (a dimension of it) after a suicide attempt. They took it as they have not lived their life to the fullest.

Yes, I understand all that -- non-duality is duality. See, I call duality phenomenon. I'm talking about when non-duality engulfs duality; then there would be no more ego to experience. You become no-self, peace, end of suffering.

Not so sure if the first example is correct, Leo. Infinity doesn't have ego. It's not embodied like we are now. How can it? You become everything. Hellish experiences like that involves ego hurting another ego in insane ways. It's the ego not wanting to die and become one with everything. I'm sure you have seen and heard of stories of hell phenomenon where a devil chops off someone's head and the body still suffers since it refuses to die. Infinity isn't like that. There is no ego -- end of suffering.

@Leo Gura Many ppl don't know what the term "rat race" means.

If you truly want to meet someone special, just start working on yourself, have a life purpose, and know your values. I know a couple who is married well over 20 yrs., 2 kids. They met at work. Got to know each other before the dating and romance started. So they knew each other well before they got together as a couple. Imho, these dating sites don't really tell you about the other person.

@Elisabeth I'm learning something when I read your post. Great post, btw. And, that is resistance. That is probably the thing right now that has to be slowly introduced into my awareness. See, I know what's my next step, and I slowly have to take action on it, and find out to see how it goes for me. I should not think too far into the future. My next step, baby step, is just to make a video of myself on my new phone camera. That's it. It doesn't matter if I make mistakes. I could always learn from them. But, I find myself doing other things during the day and not getting to this -- resistance. Ok, our days are busy. We do other stuff. So, I just played around with it. And, slowly but gradually I'll learn how to use it and post it on my website. You could use the same idea to take your next baby step gradually. So, in other words, if I was getting my PhD, and feel reluctant and resistance to do so because I find it not my cup of tea anymore, then, I suppose my next baby step would be making a few phone calls to ppl I know or looking online for opportunities for a job I'm qualified for or interested in. Do I really want to be Dr. Elisabeth? I would ask myself. Am I trying to prove myself to anyone? Probably not. I used to want a PhD when I was growing up. For me, the life purpose is what I really want. I try to make room for that.

@egoless We had a discussion here. Try to just start solving problems and you'll get paid for it. Don't even think of the money and being paid. Just try to do something useful, like finding a job if you need to survive on your own. But, start something useful for solving problems. You got to take some actions and learn from the mistakes and keep going.

By profession I'm a bilingual teacher. I didn't learn teaching through books. I picked it up through practice. The thing that helped me before I taught in a classroom was a public speaking class in my university. When I joined networking, I saw a lot of startups (businesses looking for funding) pitching (business term for public speaking).