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Inducing the experience of the no-self with 5meo like that sounds fishy to me because... for example, before it happened to Buddha, he went around asking all the gurus what was life about? Why was there suffering in this world? Etc. Etc. Buddha saw many suffering homeless ppl when he left his palace. He had all these unanswered questions but none of those gurus answered his questions with satisfaction. So, he went ahead and meditated hoping to find the answers. Then, the no-self happened to him. That's more or less how it happened to Buddha. That was his mindset before it happened to him. That's why I think it's odd of how Leo is approaching seeing and being the no-self. I'm not against what Leo is doing. It's his choice. I just think the approach is odd.

@Nahm Let's just hope all will go well for Leo. He has a brilliant mind. He's very articulate. I'm using Buddha's life story only because it's easy to understand. If you look at his overall life, he was already doing very major things in his life before the awakening happened to him. He was a Hindu prince of the Rajput caste and gave that all up just to be a humanitarian for others, including untouchables. In those days, what he did was very serious because your caste and religion meant everything, including your survival. It's not like India today where religion and the caste system are so much more secular. In those days, society was stage blue/red; now it's orange. What Buddha did, his actions and his genuine mindset, probably triggered his awakening. And he went onto revolutionize the world, and out came Buddhism. The quote is right: "Leo has always been our cosmic canary in the coal-mine." It's just that for our time, for this day and age, inducing your awakenings of the no-self like this, and it being appropriate toward the ultimate goal, sounds fishy to me, but of course it's Leo's choice.

You know, I hear ya. And yes, I applaud Leo for taking such a bold step like this. However, to me, when I put the puzzle pieces together, the spiritual path is actually very well-rounded. It seems as though the overall atmosphere here is to focus on seeing and being the no-self. When I look at Buddha's life story, for example, he was very well-round. He was very humanitarian, and at the same time taught wisdom. It wasn't just about one focus.

I'm commenting from my own personal experience. This includes my experience on my own LP that I'm working on to increase free time, and just passing notes onto Leo. I don't go around labeling others when I don't know what they're talking about and don't know what's going on in their personal lives. We don't know if the other person is over thinking or not. To me, this is one of the disadvantages of talking on forums if you have questions or want someone to shed the right light on the info you present. Sometimes, or many times, you get the wrong light. Other than the no-self, everything else is a phenomena (or as you prefer to call it: illusion, hallucination, etc.) And yes, the result is to live in the now--moment by moment. That was not what I was referring to. I find that the little clues in life also count. Those little blessings that we run across. Although it's not the no-self, they also count--big time. Leo is going on multiple powerful trips. It's not wrong to say be careful and hope all will be well. It's also not wrong to ask, "Why skip all these little blessings if you have them?" To me, it's like skipping steps. It's just like climbing a tall mountain and think that you've accomplished something by taking a helicopter up to the mountain top.

@Faceless Yes, true. You know what, if the BFFs end up marrying each other, that would be called soulmates. Ppl wonder what are soulmates. Well, there you have it. But, the friendships I'm talking about are between the same gender--two women who are BFFs.

Sounds beautiful. I agree.

I have seen a friendship where the two isn't related. Their communication is very strong. They don't misunderstand each other. They're friends but not family, although they behave like it. They could show up in each others' houses anytime they wish without calling or notice or anywhere. I call that BFF. It's pretty rare.

Yeah..It makes sense I suppose, but it's hard to put things in words, esp things like communication and unconditional love and all the spiritual stuff. For me, the best way was to give examples. It's actions without words, right?

@Faceless I don't mind self-preservation at all, if that's what you're going to call it. We don't know what's really going on in someone else's relationship unless we know them. If I see two ppl with very lovely friendships with strong communication and unconditional love, I can't label that. I've seen a friend who ended up in the hospital in another country, and the other friend just dropped everything, including work/job and flew off to visit/help the other friend in the other country as soon as possible. I've seen a husband who took care of a mentally ill wife till death. They were young when she fell ill. He didn't divorce her. That's in real life, in practical life. It's not hard to understand. If you want to be "free" of self-preservation and live the no-self, looks like a monk's life is the way to go -- detached / stoic relationship with other monks yet you live as oneness. How the monk in this clip protested against the Vietnam War is not self-preservation. There is a monk somewhere in the middle of this clip, not the monk talking to Oprah.

@Faceless I forgot to mention that there are different levels of friendships. I'm talking about the BFF type of friendship--"highest" level. In a family, it's unconditional love. Many flaws but you learn to accept and show love through actions.

Acceptance is a key word. If two ppl don't agree with something, that's fine. Two ppl can't be exactly the same. Genuine friends can talk it out or share different things without fingerpointing, misunderstandings, or judging/categorization. Here's another quote that I posted already:

@Sevi True that. It's going to heaven (phenomenon) and being one with God (Absolute Infinity). I have to use (...) since that's Leo's terminology.

@Sevi Lovely pics. What would also be lovely is to become Absolute Infinity in the end and also be reunited with loved ones. That would be awesome.

Yeah, but the questions were not for me, they were for Leo. He is planning to do back to back 5meo again to see and become infinity. I'm not the one planning that. I'm not thinking of the word "infinity" all the time like you said. Ok, enough said. Take care. Those questions were for Leo. I don't have bad intensions for him. I just want him to stay safe. Simple. I don't want to go off topic either.

Yeah, ok. No one wants to go to hell phenomenon. My original questions were for Leo in relation to the infinity.

There are whole topics/subjects written on them. Parapsychology is one of them. It branches off of psychology. If you assume that everything is fake, should we just get rid of those topics? There has been witnesses proving their past lives, and witnesses to those topics. If you don't like those topics, no one is asking you to look into them. I'm not guessing and assuming anything of anyone. I don't know what's going on in other ppl's lives. I just try my best to live my life moment by moment. If I have questions for Leo, I just ask. I'm also interested in these topics.

Like what? Ppl could ask questions. Infinity includes everything--all aspects. Leo is free to choose. Who's stopping him? I'm totally ok with him disagreeing with me, but I would sincerely like to know a good reason why.

Hey, as long as you know what you're doing, we all wish you the best journey. I guess you never met the others, like guardian angels or past gurus/monks/etc, who could go into any realms in infinity including become infinity, and they don't have to be reincarnated again? Or, when they do, it's on their free will. They teach wisdom. Observing self = literally, the elephant in the room? Just wanted to let you know, infinity is inclusive of everything. Nirvana is what you achieve at the end of your life if you learned all your lessons in life. It's different from enlightenment.

@Leo Gura Leo, a couple of things that I must point out are, you have only one video on karma. Karma is much deeper than that. It's very profound. Have you researched and interviewed different ppl who have knowledge on that? Nirvana is the real thing. Again, have you researched and interviewed ppl who have knowledge on that? All I'm saying is, I really hope that you've made a wise decision on what you're about to do. You definitely have not covered tangible "ah-ha" moments where there are witnesses to your spiritual journey (footprints). Since duality is part of non-duality, every step counts. Everthing is interconnected. Btw, in the practical life (LP/startup), if actualized.org is your source of income, you don't have to build the business all by yourself. You may use amazon to sell stuff, like your LP course, and then, you don't have to rely on yourself or build your own tech support. Companies such as amazon and fb could handle scaling up and down by the masses. You may start a blog on fb if you want more free time, instead of your own forum. I'm just letting you know more options/choices. In the end, it's your choice. Please think about all these and make wise decisions.

@Leo Gura Best of luck...This video has a lot of meaning for me. You talked about enlightenment a lot but never covered nirvana. A lot of lessons in this life has to be learned with mindfulness.

Does it matter? Just be yourself. Remember, that we only live moment to moment. We can only live in the present. Life is like a movie. We can only live one scene at a time. Thoughts of the past and future are empty and impermanent. The people in one's life are impermanent. Only those who are authentic will be willing to walk alongside of us in our path and are willing to listen. No, you don't have to share everything.

@NoSelfSelf Yes, you're right! I was just wondering. I was just thinking, they could all go into #10 once you got the LP. I got to be present to go at my LP. It's just moment by moment.

@NoSelfSelf Which ones and how to combine? To me they're all different. These are not my LP values. It's just life in general. My LP values is to teach language and non-duality in fun, easy, and creative ways.

Not a very easy question, but this is roughly what I have in mind: 1. Peace. 2. Detachment of any consequences. 3. Mastery of my niche in this life. 4. Seeing interconnection in everything. 5. Teaching compassion in the work in subtle / indirect ways. 6. Teamwork with like-minded ppl toward a common goal. 7. Deeply understanding that the sky is the limit in life. 8. Deeply understanding that we live in a world of abundance. 9. Going toward guiding others to achieve their goals by achieving one's own contribution / goals. 10. These values can only be accomplished in the present moment. Past and future doesn't exist.

https://youtu.be/QUYKSWQmkrg https://youtu.be/3qqVQcZxpqA I don't have such "powers," but this thread reminds me of these two scenes from the movie, The Sixth Sense.