Ishanga

Sadhguru talks about this, if You have mastery over Your Body alone, you will control 30% of your destiny, body and mind 60%, if You control the Energy system You will have 100% control of Your destiny, even after physical death you can control which body to be born in, if You want to come back and so forth, so its all a matter of how Conscious one is.. Free Will for me anyways has to do mostly with How I want to Experience Life, Joyfully or Miserably, an accident can still happen, any situation outside of our body can still happen, how I respond to it is 100% my responsibility and choice, that is the only control You will have and its available for Most all Human Beings, you just have to strive for it, its not a Fantasy as some may think or say:)

This is just a certain perspective from a POV of Consciousness, as we all have and are in many ways limited by. I try to be open about it, yes fundamentally in the highest sort of way You are correct, there is no control or nothing to control in the Oneness realm, because there is no physicality to control, no mind and such things...but on this level of existence were we are, there is control because there is physicality, mind and such limitations, on this level we have Free Will.. The Body alone is designed for Health naturally, but we have a Mind that is connected with Body, Stress is resistance to What is, that is from the Mind, what we are, Life/God/Source, is not the Body or Mind, we use these tools to function on this Earth/Duality world, but we can have Enlightenment which is Realization of "We are Life" not the Body/Mind, with this comes our truest potential, with that comes natural Health, no resistance to Now, in this there is no control, but until then we have to work at it, strive and seek it (there is no seeking once there) and step by step have Free Will to have what we should have Naturally...

Don't be concerned with "Understanding" Reality, its too complex and at the same time simple, paradox galore, don't try to become "Enlightened" or "Awake", drop all labels and concepts, this is a huge problem today for ppl involved with the Spiritual World, way too many labels, concepts, ppl promoting concepts and talking too much.. Just gain some Clarity, Reality will work itself out, and that might mean a car is heading Your way, you have to have Clarity to see the car is heading towards You and You make a choice (Free Will) do I want to get out of the way or stay where I am, that is all there is too it, with Clarity life becomes a game, it is lived at Ease, which doesn't mean a Easy Life, but You go Untouched by it, Your Inner Nature is now in Your hands, then see what happens to Life and Reality and How You Perceive/Experience it...

Existence just is, this is Top Level sort of Existence, the realm of Oneness, Completeness, Consciousness in the sense that it is the fundamental before Creation happened, but there is Creation, in that there is this and that, forms of variations, inanimate, animate forms, so all of this is layers upon layers of existence, with the top level as mentioned as the essence of it all, Humans can experience this at the top most level of Experience, that is Enlightenment or what we call it..,

What is the difference btwn someone claiming they are Not Enlightened or someone claiming to be Enlightened?

"Pressure" is self created, it doesn't exist unless You create it, and he claims to be above all of these sorts of problems the rest of humanity suffers from, so its not an excuse, plus he is doing what he loves, creating his own creations and expressions, that is the point of it all, most of us are not doing this, we work jobs we don't want to do to pay bills and survive, so I don't believe in these sorts of excuses of pressure. What it is in simple terms is he is suffering his success, just like people suffer their failure, its no different, its a sign that he has not reach a level of Consciousness that is really high or useful to go to ones highest potential and possibility, what some call Enlightenment... Sorry for getting off topic, will be my last response on this subject:)

This is all because of Unconsciousness. Are most of us here to work 9-5 or 12 midnight to 8 am to pay bills? No, this is not our destiny, or reason why we are here, but we stay in this sort of Awareness for many reason, one is conditioning...Wolves have limits, yes they can be domesticated and become a bit more than a wild animal, but when their stomach is full they are complete, for a Human when their stomach is full (Good times) then there are 1000 problems/challenges to face, life is not complete for them, so that is the difference, when one's Awareness comes into play then that is the game of Life, what do You do when the Good times are here, become Weak or Conscious and live a to one's full potential and possibility! P.S Kristnamurti was Anit Guru while being a Guru lol!!

How does a man that claims certain states and knowing get burn out? Its just coming up with content and then creating video, editing, I know its not the easiest career, but its easier than what I do day in day out for sure...Just playing Devils Advocate here, I hope he is well and getting healthy, he for sure has contributed to the Spiritual Community no doubt with his sharings and forum creation here..

I think my post was justified because he was consistently making video's, and now has stopped for a few months, plus he did a few 30 day retreats contemplating but got bored so what did he do, take psycedelics...Like I've done with others, I do research, I researched Leo, and I just said it makes "One wonder", I'm not making outright claims that I know what is what with him, because I don't, but it does make one wonder, which is fine since he is basically a public figure in certain niche ways... I would be easy for him to nip speculation in the butt, make a statement, as ppl here are wondering why he has stopped making vids, recently he said "health problems"..make a more specific one and that will stop it...

Well it may not be the end of Suffering, if Your messed up in the head at the time of death, then that will be your state of being in the afterlife, it could be a long time till being reborn happens, and to continue into another life and go thru it too end up suffering some more, lol, this does not sound too good to me, especially with the way the world is going now, I feel a bit sorry for ppl with young kids...

Leo the creator of this forum, he's not old by any means and is having "health" problems and no longer does video's even though he has over 1mill subscribers and had a passion for sharing, you have to wonder what all those trips did to him, I do, and I think it for sure effected him, he may never admit it...Just imagine thinking Your God, in Bliss Love Completeness mode a few hundred times over a few years, how do You go thru normal life afterwards without having to deal with that sort of intense experience?? I don't know if he has normal spiritual practice that he does on the regular, I hope he does...

@AerisVahnEphelia Interesting post, as someone that hasn't used hardcore psychedelics like many here, have used pot (hasn't everyone lol?) and had time slowed down and such things experienced, and kriya practice experiences bliss, peace, clarity on consistent basis, and reading ppl post of their experiences here and researching over the years in other places, it seems to me that certain psychedelics create certain experiences generally, the 5 meo dmt seems to make one feel like a God (omnipresent, omnipotent, completeness, great bliss/love), others bring about different disorientated experiences, seeing/experiencing shapes, seeing objects distorted, talking too spirits and a general feeling of peace, oneness or the opposite and such... I think a newbie, someone not having done any research in any way into spirituality, this can be dangerous, it can freak them out, because everyone has a unconscious philosophy running in the background, it is fundamentally directing your life in certain directions, with this comes beliefs, conclusions, habits and tendencies in place, then the psychedelic experience comes and messes it all up in chaos..this is not so good for someone, at the least Leo advises to go slow and build up to correct doses for yourself and see what happens which is safe advice.. Without a proper Yoga/Eastern Spiritual practice in place already setting the stage and providing ingrained intent and stability within a person, then one should not do it without facing great consequences, and as you said do it infrequently, with a practice in place it can be done more frequently but not as a crutch or I need to feel better about myself/ world sort of approach, more strictly as I want to know something or experience a deeper realm/experience to get somewhere purpose behind it...

Yes, the need to look outside of Yourself for Happiness, Pleasure and Fulfillment is killing the planet, and eventually us and every other life too. The crazier part is that it is not working lol, in the pursuit for Happiness and such, ppl are not even happier today than ever before, their more depressed, sad, lonely and anxious.. Hey if it worked and we were happier because of it then okay that is fine, but when the opposite is true and the planet is paying the price for it, this is massive Insanity to its highest limits!!

Yes exactly, sooner or later You have to deal with your Karma and to first stop creating more karma in daily life (by living now, not reacting to situations, but responding, accepting life as it is, etc...) and to deal with the alotted karma given for this life, that can't be done via psychedelic experiences, it gives you the oneness experience, great sense of Love/belonging and insights, but it doesn't allow you to deal with your shit that you have to deal with...Yoga does in the long run...especially with a living Guru to help you..

For sure Shambhavi is Kundalini kryia, but he toned it down for the masses, made it a bit duller and slower process, no siddhis should arise unless its a long time period after initiation... I did the Bahava Spanda course, it was fun but I'm not the super emotional type, it was worthwhile to go thru, but it didn't have great affects for me personally, many others felt it more strongly, I really liked being in his presence for the 3+days though, observed him allot... Yes he has lots of practices that are not too public, and I agree, most ppl in today's general state of awareness and mental distress could not handle it, even on the physical level ppl are too weak to handle real Kryia Yoga as he would like to teach it, he has too tone down most everything he does, even when in his presence he can blow you away, but he tones it down because of overall craziness and lack of substance that ppl of today have...

Try Float device, where your in a chamber, floating on body temp water and epsom salts, total darkness and silence for the most part, that will get You in the mood anyways...

From my research of the masters over millennia of time, if You are in Bliss at the moment of physical death, this will be with You in the inbetween stages, You keep the Energy/Etheric and Bliss Sheaths, the earth and mental shealth drop off, but Your Karmic substance which is what keeps it all together is captured in those shealths, so it goes with You when you get another body...but your in Bliss, feeling a sort of Bliss trance dream state while all of this is happening, ghosts are real to put it in simple terms..If the opposite happens, your in fear and miserable at time of death that is your inner state when disembodied, its a Hell of sorts... To find another suitable body it could be days or 100's of years, time means nothing in this place..the more conscious You are when death happens, the more choice You have in choosing the next body... obviously if Your Enlightened you may not come back unless You have mastery over the mechanics of life and can consciously create Karma at will... Of course all of this is just a story, don't believe it, don't disbelieve it, just get curious about it, if Your conscious enough about Life while alive, you will know everything about Death too..

Ego is just a tool, like a hand or foot, it allows us to function within a Tribe/Society, it includes a personality and traits handed down thru families for survival purposes.. When they say that we are Social People, that we need others and to be around others, this is mostly for Survival purposes as well, its easier in many ways to survive when a group of ppl are developing better ways to live and doing it all as a unit, helping one another, but at times living alone (off grid) is wise too, it depends on the situations around us and technology... Life is Leala, a play/game of sorts, that is why we are here, to have Experiences, the deal with others that in some ways are separate from ourselves via the Body and Mind, and to deal with Karma, residual impressions from past actions in the 4 areas of your life...There is layers to Life, there is the Ultimate aspect, Oneness, Completeness, Bliss, Clarity and such, then there is community, giving/taking, physical death and rebirth, family and such things...

NIce Sharing!! I think like anything it can affect ppl differently, some have good trips on 5 meo, others don't, but with Sadhguru and Isha Your Initiated into it, and the IE preliminary work is awesome it opens you up in a way so that when you learn the practice it gets inside of You and then it happens..He said in one of the videos that it works on the pranamaya kosha sheath which is the Energy body, once that is taken care of and is clean and intense then the sky is the limit, but I know he doesn't want ppl to necessarily get enlightened and then disappear, first its not a good look for the organization (Isha) and he wants "Undercover Yogi's" here on Earth to make this place a better place to be, so he holds ppl back a bit for this purpose...

He did mention in the video that they have similar type things happening in India and for Years, but he didn't get specific, I think he likes to keep on point when answering questions... He spent allot of time alone in the jungles of India, before and after his enlightenment, so who knows what happened during those times... The main point is that using psychedelics as a primary way to find Enlightenment is not so good, I agree, as well as using it as a first off way to find truth and Enlightenment... As others have said in this thread, he shares very powerful tools, methods, kriyas that bring ppl to profound experiences, I've used some of them and stand by that statement, most here that are the nay sayers don't know about these practices, they are not the same as the Yoga you see out there as not all Yoga practices and teachers are the same or equal, with a Living Guru the practices are much more powerful and effective..

Don't ask Why, why creation, why am I here, just bring Yourself to your Highest potential, and what is that? Bare minimum is are You Peaceful naturally throughout the day, no matter what is happening around You, start there, then let life open up. Its the profoundness of Your Experience that matters, everything is happening within You, you only ask why because Your profoundness is not yet intense enough for You to experience that You are Life, if that was the case, you wouldn't ask Why, you would bask in the experience of it...

People here honestly believe they are God, and the only one, nothing else but them exists, that they know everything, but continue to argue about things that make no sense or cannot be talked about in logical ways, and it repeats itself over and over again, I call that dumb. Someone with great understanding of Human Nature answering a question based on his Experience (which no one here knows for sure) and Perception which is great, I don't call that person a clown, its their perspective and sharing wisdom is good for Us. I just wonder why a young guy, that has a huge following on Youtube, but has taken allot of psychedelics has health problems and needs a break all of a sudden, things that make me go Hmmm, sort of proves the point of what he is saying in the video...

Forget about this sort of stuff, its a huge distraction when on the Spiritual Path, just make Yourself Happy and Healthy, that is the most empowering thing You can do for Yourself and Others in this world, make Health/Happiness a natural state of Being, establish Your Being first, then go out to perform Action (Physical, Mental, Emotional, Energy action), then Have the fruit of Your Labor and Experience of Life:)

Anything that is Disempowering to Life, War, Famine, Climate Change since it is not only about Humans, its about killing other life forms too, Rape, Murder (killing itself is neither right or wrong, sometimes one may have to Kill, its the Intention behind the action that matters, but murder for profit or revenge or personal gain is disempowering towards Life), Slavery, Repression of the Masses, Over Killing of Wildlife and Plant/Tree Life, insects too. If all the worms were to die tomorrow all life would be doomed, if all Humans died tomorrow the world would be just fine...