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A rose doesn't blossom to be the best rose. It doesn't have any goals or desires. It just "roses", and it's beautiful, content to follow it's nature and nothing else.

Thanks for the analogies Ziran. Speaking of ziran, I've got a bit of a samsara mind teaser for you, If ultimate love and ultimate justice are the same, as our astute friend gettoefl points out, "what's just is", If the ten thousand things arise simultaneously, 萬物並作(daodejing 16) and all that lovely stuff, the just to justice, the loving to love surfacing in this moment, And as such by the hands of Justice and Love are our moments crafted, and to the Just and Loving shall return, As such, does that ineffable principle permeate all happenings 道/dao regardless of our action, counteraction, actionless paticipation 無為/wu wei - actions flowing naturally through our plans, minds, bodies without meddling 自然/ziran (roll credits) What would you do if that was your child?

Linked Discourses 56.41 5. A Cliff Speculation About the World At one time the Buddha was staying near Rājagaha, in the Bamboo Grove, the squirrels’ feeding ground. There the Buddha addressed the mendicants: “Once upon a time, mendicants, a certain person left Rājagaha, thinking ‘I’ll speculate about the world.’ They went to the Sumāgadhā lotus pond and sat down on the bank speculating about the world. Then that person saw an army of four divisions enter a lotus stalk. When he saw this he thought, ‘I’ve gone mad, really, I’ve lost my mind! I’m seeing things that don’t exist in the world.’ Then that person entered the city and informed a large crowd, ‘I’ve gone mad, really, I’ve lost my mind! I’m seeing things that don’t exist in the world.’ ‘But how is it that you’re mad? How have you lost your mind? And what have you seen that doesn’t exist in the world?’ ‘Sirs, I left Rājagaha, thinking “I’ll speculate about the world.” I went to the Sumāgadhā lotus pond and sat down on the bank speculating about the world. Then I saw an army of four divisions enter a lotus stalk. That’s why I’m mad, that’s why I’ve lost my mind. And that’s what I’ve seen that doesn’t exist in the world.’ ‘Well, my friend, you’re definitely mad, you’ve definitely lost your mind. And you’re seeing things that don’t exist in the world.’ But what that person saw was in fact real, not unreal. Once upon a time, a battle was fought between the gods and the titans. In that battle the gods won and the titans lost. The defeated and terrified titans entered the citadel of the titans through the lotus stalk only to confuse the gods. So mendicants, don’t speculate about the world. For example: the cosmos is eternal, or not eternal, or finite, or infinite; the soul and the body are one and the same, or the soul is one thing, the body another; after death, a realized one still exists, or no longer exists, or both still exists and no longer exists, or neither still exists nor no longer exists. Why is that? Because those thoughts aren’t beneficial or relevant to the fundamentals of the spiritual life. They don’t lead to disillusionment, dispassion, cessation, peace, insight, awakening, and extinguishment. When you think something up, you should think: ‘This is suffering’ … ‘This is the origin of suffering’ … ‘This is the cessation of suffering’ … ‘This is the practice that leads to the cessation of suffering’. Why is that? Because those thoughts are beneficial and relevant to the fundamentals of the spiritual life. They lead to disillusionment, dispassion, cessation, peace, insight, awakening, and extinguishment. That’s why you should practice meditation …”

Thanks for the replies! That's a very interesting view, where Justice, or the principle which manifests as justice, is that of restraint such that, for example, actions are just. I imagine that same "above" principle manifests otherwise as well for example, something must expressed actively to be beautiful or loving as well as there being a restraint in the antisymmetric or hateful. Rather than a reactive denial, it is co-arising in the manifestation. I mean not to put words in your mouth, pardon me if I misunderstood. Does this outreaching refer to the free or active and expression/reaching itself as opposed to the reserved and restrained expansion, or to that which reaches out as opposed to that which restrains? How intricate becoming is Ten thousand stories and desires Do leap above and see the sun Yet whenceforth do they take their plunge Those just to justice surface, lo The loving too to love To see the air they sought to feel The same flows through our lungs Their rooted depths that share they As such we come from too Barbeque sauce on my titties

Beauty is God. Makes sense yeah. Goodness is God. Yeah makes sense. Truth is God. Yeah man absolutely yeah no doubt. No faith needed there really, no mental gymnastics. All unknowable but we can and should orient out lives around it as we should around God as they are God. Justice is God. Alright I'll take my word for it but what does that actually mean? I doubt it's that good feeling you get seeing someone you don't like being "punished". Feels quite relative.

Trust myself? Good idea! I'll trust you on that

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Bro where did you get that horrible translation it’s giving me an aneurysm. Not only does it mistranslate but it also says the opposite. Ironically, the actual text disproves your point and agrees with the idea that existence and nonexistence are in duality. 有無相生 有-having/existence 無-not having (emptiness)/nonexistence 相-together 生-born A better translation is that existence and nonexistence are born of eachother. In fact every line you gave in the actual text has 相 in to show how these concepts mutually produce/contrast/follow each-other. Before I take a breather and cool down for the sake of my blood pressure, the Gia-Fu Feng and Jane English translation is a lot more literal translation. Looser translations are good for non-chinese speaking audiences but it’s better if they actually say the same thing.

That's a really beautiful message and quite inspiring. I've actually bookmarked it to come back to. I find it's very easy to fall into the trap of mental gymnastics and bullshit philosophy as a substitute for the hard work of spiritual practice. I of course am biased cause I do love the thinking and searching like it's very fun in itself but I am very aware of that trap which I find myself in when I try to find happiness through it. The way I justify it is that unlike yourself, I am quite early in life - still in education and the spitirual search for me seems to be analogous to a search for meaning and purpose in my life like if I can find some kind of answer to my mental state and search for direction then I can base my life around it. What I really am looking for though is my "heats burning need to fly" as you've said. As a conventionally successful person (for want of better phrasing) who later found spirituality, do you have any advise for someone interested in spirituality looking for direction or passion in life through it? Your original message has already been helpful though, so thank you so much either way

The ancients lived and operated in cultures with home grown spiritual methods, understanding, and comunity which shaped and were shaped by their cultures. In a lot of places monks were even given money and support from the state or community. I reckon for us living in a culture and mentality quite divorced from spirituality, we're practicing and reviving this spiritual stuff with nothing really to stand on or operate in except for what we can learn from ourselves or try to apply from different times and cultures. Not to put down the insane efforts and achievements of the ancients but I think kinda need mental gymnastics and bullshit philosophy (so that maybe our great grandkids can be spiritual samurai lol). To be fair though I'm sure it's not impossible

Or the guys trolling idk

Good to see you honour your own wellbeing mate. You others (including a moderator fkn hell) risking triggering someone to wank about your own reality faling apart need to think about what you say. There's drugs for that and realistically do less drugs.

An open invitation to discussion in 2 parts: ============ You look up a strange loop to see the infinity of consiousness in which your relative self exists. You look down a strange loop to see the infinite emptiness from which your relative self operates. This is yin. You look down a strange loop to see the infinity of consiousness which operates through yourself. You look up a strange loop to see the infinite emptiness in which yourself is expressed. This is yang. "Up, in front, or right. Down, left, or behind." Exprientially they oppose and being strange loops, the infinity and the emptiness and the experience are the same. They are god. God as the self viewed from a loop down is experienced by that self through the mechanism of "kundalini/dmt". This can lead to insight for the relative self. ============ Alright end of part one. This is no theological treaty, and as spirituality is a personal endeavour, I don't wish to convince or evangelise. It's more of a "shitpost" if anything. Some words which make sense to me that I'd like to share to hear thoughts or pointers (I'd love complete tear-downs although preferably in good faith and discussion) . I'm doubtfull on wether I'm using the ideas of strange loops correctly or if I'm consfusing things by relating the experiental recursion which arises from experience experiencing itself (which is experiencing itself which is.... :P) with higher or lower "densities of consciousness" (regretable to use law of one terminoligy but so far I have no better to use. Levels of consiousness maybe?). Alright this is already too long. The second part depends on accepting the structure of the first bit. ============ Is the self interacting with a different person the same mechanism as god interacting with another in the infinity of gods? (for example, you cannot know that they are actually there except for your own experience through which you conceptualise the other.) This then could be one of many similar ways where the study of gods can be a simultaneous study into the fundamental "mechanisms" of experience (in this case, relation to an other - a fundamental aspect or constituent of consciousness) -mechanisms is a vague word maybe pointing to the sub/semiconsious emotional or vibe logic which constitutes experience. From the God pov it's a different ocean, from the relative it's a different wave of the same ocean (assuming a physical universal God). ============ Yeah I'd love to hear from other people what they think if you managed to get through these. Mostly what seems wrong with it. At times it may seem to take away from some of the big fat truth stuff of God but then that stuff is experienced through dmt (and I theorise that dmt is the neurochemical which corresponds to the mechanism of truth and experience in our consciousness) dmt based philosophy will always seem grand and true - and truth will be presupposed to whatever explanation you use for that experience as well as just the experience which may lead to oversights idk this is a side rant, I've never done dmt (hope you can still find it in yourself to take me seriously lol). Either way it isn't supposed to take away from anything. Alright peace and love

That sounds really intersting! I can't give any advice or explanation personally (except to let it/your body show you in it's own way and time what it is/does/represents but that's based of my own journey and may not be relevant or useful advise heh) I'd be interested to hear any updates if you have any...