Martin123
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@Psychonaut he's just kinda desperate to change the world. Who'd blame him right, but he tends to be compulsive about it. It doesn't diminish the validity of his actions though.
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@kurt Nobody invited you into this discussion, go tame your narcissism somewhere else. I really beg you to stop following me, it is annoying as fuck. Preach into your toilet not into my pc screen.
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For your goals, moral values and desires. It is an "ego-centric" paradigm.
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@JimmySmalls Youre driven towards whats logical based on your paradigm and understanding. I think Athene is wonderful, as well as his click, nice cool thing to get society out of crisis. Not deep enough for more meaningful development in the long-run.
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Next girl you see you like, go and talk to her.
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@Frogfucius Im sorry you feel this way. I really don't look down on you. (In your language - you demonize me and put yourself in a position "me against the world" which is a normal reaction of a suppressed low self-esteem, I only know this because I have done exactly that, that is why you might think I look down.) I wish all the best for you. May you reach happier and more joyful states of being.
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@Frogfucius And yes there are phases. Remember 2 years ago? Haven't you changed since then? What about 1 year ago? 6 months? Change, change, change. Only that is constant. Keep an eye of how people change. That is the (in)famous phase.
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@Frogfucius I don't know you, I only see the content you post. That is what I know. And I know that posts of this sort can cause more damage than good oftentimes.
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@Frogfucius Hey man. I don't wanna be rude but you are right now in a very nihilistic phase right now. It is just a phase, one of many, you will sure transcend it soon. Be careful what advice you give to people. You give advice based on the phase you are in. Thereby my suggestion - Isn't it wiser to give advice based on what the people you are giving it to are in? Just food for thought, don't feel the need to reply to this post, if you wanna engage in a constructive conversation then by all means but right now talking your nihilism is just counterproductive for me. Have a nice day! :-)
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@Shane Roberts dont fake it till u make it. Contemplate why you have to fake it, get rid of what holds you back, and then you won't even think about it, but you'll make it.
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Oh I thought you got banned. Damn Im happy to see you, was gonna miss yo ass. Heyyyy ❤️
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@Leo Gura Damnit. Ur right. lol. Logic is nothing but a label.
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@Leo Gura Not to sound nittigritty here, but doesn't a seal otter act "logically"? I ain't no biologist, but I guess it's driven towards its survival which would seem like the logical choice, since it doesn't have the tools to become more aware of itself and thus gain a holistic understanding.
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@stevegan928 Athene's click is kinda the "CBT" of spirituality. Now. In case you don't have a background in counselling =D Cognitive Behavioural Therapy is shown by research to be highly effective, and efficient. It is scientific, and gained on a huge popularity due to its pragmatism. The problem is, it never goes to the root of the problem. It touches issues only on the surface. Now the opposite would be something that goes very deep, but takes much longer to take an effect. That would be a humanistic approach towards counseling, perhaps Transpersonal psycho-therapy. It doesn't really get deeper that that in the counseling field. (You could argue that some contemplative models do but that's not important here). Athene's click is efficient, scientific and quite quick and pragmatic. vs. Full on spiritual purification - Takes much longer, but goes waay waaaay deeper. So in the end, it does contribute to humanity in a way, because it's "better than nothing". But if you have a choice between the two... I don't see a reason to go for the click! :-)
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@Ray I love you <3.
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@kurt So listen you potato. Let me give you some schoolin which you obviously need. I am sure that you will start nitpicking all I say the second I press enter on this post, so before you do so, try to catch yourself and contemplate a bit. You obviously consider yourself either superior in your intelligence and understanding, or in your awareness. Now, you preach that "all is the same, all is awareness, so there is none better than the other blahblahblah". And that sure is nice. But you don't follow what you preach. You lack integrity. You obviously have some sort of complex that makes you feel inferior to others, resulting in your arrogant and cold-blooded approach. That's ok I am sure you will work that through some day. What I wanna tell you (and that's gonna be the bottom line of my conversations with you crazy people in this topic), is that even if you are "superior" in a sense that you are more conscious, you don't go about that preaching how everyone is an idiot and nothing they do makes sense. You, as someone who has sure been in those "un-evolved peasants' shoes", sure as hell know the struggles they are dealing with. Compassion makes much more sense, and the fact that you don't choose compassion over being cold af, points out that it is not a conscious choice. It is highly unconscious. Why? Because if it were conscious, you'd be able to see yourself in the people you consider idiots. That's it, I wish you find balance in your inner workings. Have a nice evening (well Idk where ur from.. in Europe we got evening =D).
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That I am indeed. You're right that there are many things very wrong with the western psychotherapeutic system. I don't get streessed rly. I do the "work" not for the sake of enlightenment, but for alleviation of neurosis. I've gone through a ugly period of a purification phase you'd call dark night of the soul in some traditions. And it's not totally over yet so hey I am compulsive egotistical and neurotic just like anyone else. 'But you're waaayyy too quick to judge.
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@kurt I'm surprised you make the assumption I don't do the work. That is one factual error you made.
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I agree with the vast majority of what you're saying. But the arrogant, narcissistic glow coming out of your posts makes it worth a while. So go on, educate more on what enlightenment is and is not. Neurosis after enlightenment could seem like it's not there anymore. And in a sense it isn't. It no longer causes suffering, and you don't act compulsively. so we're not moving in the boundaries of the definition of neurosis I suppose. However you still have that same pattern within yourself (it is biologically there). That's why spiritual purification doesn't equal enlightenment. Now when you reach enlightenment, it sure becomes easier (I'd imagine) to correct the pattern, because it no longer serves any purpose of identity. But it doesn't do it by itself. It's not really possible to have emotional release of all your dysfunctional patterns at once. Imo body couldn't take that. You get dettached, and you continue (if you choose to) with dissolving neuroses.
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@kurt oh u got me
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Where u getting this shit ?? its golden. Keep going I love jokes in the morning.
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Enlightenment doesn't fix all your neuroses. It's just a realization. That's why it can be attained at any time. But you can still be a jerk, bad with relationships, terrible at this and that. The only thing you gain is "detachment" from those issues. Which alleviates the emotional suffering. But the issues stay the same. Your "human avatar" (I think that Leo used this term, I like it) - your ego, stay the same. The only difference is that you no longer identify yourself as the ego.
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@kurt But don't hesitate to criticize the person who seems to be the king of skeptics, has thousands of meditation hours under his belt, with different psychadelic experiences, and apparently someone who's done lots of research. But heyy why stop there, also start calling people who disagree with you names.
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@kurt And you sure are mister ultraspiritual, mega-enlightenment pro, compassion spreading and love realizing NINJA.
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@kurt I understand that, I do. To me there are 2 levels to existence. 1. The level where you project, you make assumptions and you conceptualize, and live in concepts. 2. You are. You observe. You enjoy all as it is, you do not manipulate. TRUe BEING These 2 are not at conflict. You are describing the first level, the second level however is the essence of the sage. It is the essence of all, you cannot undo being. But does it not allow to talk in concepts? On the contrary. It becomes obvious to you that "level 2" is literally impossible to communicate. You can only communicate level 2 through level 1, but never illustrate its full essence. (If you have bit of an imagination, someone who lives in 3D reality cannot communicate what depth is to someone in 2D reality, in one of my fun processes I imagine enlightenment being the 4D, undescribeable from 3D). Character traits of sage - What is that? Language Concept Idea Imagination Memory - all within the first level Is it necessary to have this concept in becoming a sage-like character? Probably not. Is it possible to have them and still become a sage? Why not? It does not disturb the second paradigm. Of course when you're unaware of this mechanism, you become a slave to your concepts, thoughts and ideas. But I think We should not underestimate Leo by saying he's unaware of his ideas of being a sage.