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@YaMayka ? Reminds me of a joke, ”Wait it’s not gay if you are the one doing the penetration!!! Well it certainly isn’t gay if you beat them up afterwards right?!” like “it’s not mindless entertainment if it’s about spirituality!!” have fun watching man. edit: you’re female, I am so sorry I make this mistake all the time on the internet.

@Arkandeus that’s well said. But just one thing. -ego-blow is just another name for abusive behaviour. Like for real it’s not OK to abuse egos we all have one, better treat it well, it’s with us till the end.

Hey thanks for the comment, I totally understand where youre coming from and youre right there isnt much evidence in this thread. I dont mean to jump to conclusions or accuse him of anything, I just wanna express a thing that Ive always felt on some level ever since I got soaked in the spiritual sauce. Nowadays it is quite common for a spiritual teacher to gain some sort of a awakening realization, and then use it as an excuse to keep his predatorial tendencies in tact. If you watch some teachers, especially the ones who have the guru status, you can smell it, you can feel it in the way they talk and they relate to disciples. Its a predator meeting a victim type of energy. I went on reddit a read some testimonials of people coming back from the Ashram, and of course it is the internet and it can be misused, misunderstood, they could be lying to undermine him for some reason which are totally valid reasons why be skeptical about it. However I couldnt help but feel the sheer terror, confusion and trauma of the people confessing their experiences in the ashram, and I was so sorry that this has been happening in the name of spiritual evolution. The energy of those confessions was similar to the energy of people who escaped abusive relatinoships, and lived to tell their tale. I dont mean to conclude anything, I dont mean to even create any sort of opinion, I am simply saying that any kind of abuse, especially in the name of spiritual evolution is not ok in any sort of book ever written, and it has to be dealt with, it has to be spoken about and it has to be brought to the awareness, not only the people who are victimized, but as well as all the perpetraitors unconsciously abusing others wake up and face the pain that is driving them to behave in confusing and damaging ways. I dont mean to bash mooji or spiritual teachers, I want an abuse free planet.

@SoonHei Idk he be hittin dem hoes eh.. Yea I just gotta say I dont like that type of thing. ANd not in a way to say that sexualitx is non-spiritual or whatever, or that spiritual teachers must not sex other people. Its totally fine, but theres a difference between liking to sex other people hard and have orgies and wahtever, which youre free to do, and using your spiritual status to get what you want. Its a whole crazy thing where self-awareness is buried in all the pleasure and "power-highs" you get.

Hey Arkandeus! I have to say I totally agree with the sexual desire thing. I truly think any kind of spiritual gurus shouldnt be de-sexualized, even perhaps sleeping with students when its about genuine authenticity and intimacy, I can truly imagine it can be very beautiful. Everyone is different, on a different path and journey and everyone has different boat to float. I dont think Moojis problem is the sexual acts themselves, but it is the abuse of power. It is the predatorial narcissistic way he approaches people. Spirituality cant be used in way that perpetuates abusive dynamics. Unless a spiritual teacher is here to diminish neglect and eradicate abuse from the communities we create, he is just a glorified student who thinks he found his way, but is just as lost as all the rest.

That sounds like the advice for the classic self-help Junkie. "Hey are you tired of your constant addiction to Self-help? Well we have just the thing for you! Less Leo, More Netflix!"

@DavidK oh my goodness that’s such an awful story. I am so sorry about your abusive childhood. They had no right to disrespect you in such ways, and just you being able to contemplate such thing as forgiveness only show how big of a person you are. ❤️ Yes forgive when the time is ripe for you, you deserve all the time In the world to digest and heal this experience, and yes if you feel it is the right thing to do remove them from your life. Please do not perpetuate abusive and codependent relationships behind the mask of family. I wish you the best time healing and growing. Congratulations on surviving that, what an accomplishment. May all the pain of your past inspire safety and joy to flower in your heart .

@LaraGreenbridge I just gotta say there are some interesting things on reddit about Mooji, I had no idea the spiritual community could go off on such a deep tangent, thats a reality check for me.

I love that, and I admire myself for how late I am commenting on this. ? in my experience trying not to be too horny and not mastrubate can only backfire. There will be time when the hormones have been balanced, but until that time your hormones are your hormones and they’re doing their job. I wouldn’t even say “don’t fight it” I’d say try fighting it with all your might, and tell me how it went ?

@DrewNows ego desire: achieve feeling some way through an outcome or avoid feeling pain and adversity through defensiveness natural desire: hey this would be so cool! I don’t rely on it to feel a certain way, yet I would love to see that happen as an expression of my truth.

Daaamn no he didn’t ? what a roast

@NoSelfSelf Not at all?

@DecemberFlower Hey! I think I can clarify this in a simple way. Our ego is essentially a mask that we put on, and the mask is put on for one reason. There are fragmented parts of yourself that have been neglected and rejected throughout the traumas you have suffered your entire life. We put on the mask so we can avoid the pain of the past. Sometimes the fragmented parts of your consciousness (because it is consciousness and it is intelligent) have been rejected so hardcore that the only way it knows how to get your love attention, that it is convinced it doesnt deserve, is acting supermegaultra spooky. Thats why there is such a thing as "shadow" and "shadow aspects" of ourselves. Those are aspects that are in so much pain of neglect and abuse, that they literally have 0 idea how else to relate to you besides being a spooky fucking ghost or a monster. And to those parts of yourself, you have to say, its okay honey, I am so sorry for the neglect and abuse of the past, I am here to invite you in, and to love you, so we can rejoin in wholeness and unity. You can come out of hiding, you are safe to feel now. I love you.

@Artaemis "inserts shia lebouf in front of a green screen"

@Artaemis DO IT!

@7thLetter Actually profound times of loneliness is one of the necessary stages your ego goes through while its being unraveled. :-) Strangely enough, even though it often does, it doesn't need to include social isolation, it can actually be just a feeling of completele loneliness while surrounded by friends, or in a crowd (I have certainly had that so many times).

I would love to find the book to be so incredibly personal and passionate subject to the author that when youre reading youre almost creating a relationship with the author, as if it wasnt just a book giving me information or value, but the frequency of that particular consciousness expressed in a written format allowing me to enrich and enahnce my own perspective by sharing the authors world and energy field. I would love the book to be a road for me to explore what it is that dwells within their heart, and is excited to jump out and share with me its superimportant MissionMessage!

Oh thank god my knight in shining armor <3

@phoenix666 Damnit I am so sorry =D

WOOOOOOOOO LETS LOVE HARD BROS <3 I Love you @phoenix666 @Sbilko @Outer @Artaemis @Torkys @Nahm @PsiloPutty @Arkandeus @here-now @aurum All love from my heart to yours <3 Since its almost all dudes here I almost wanna say "no homo" but isnt that remark behind which dudes so often hide from emotional vulnerability? So All homo <3

There are some seriously funny phenomena in the spiritual community that make me giggle every time. There is no mind! ....says the mind. I am not the body! .... says the body. I have NO EGO!.... says ego. There is no SOUL!... Says a soul. its absolutely hilarious and I love it

seriously I am about to make that my dayjob.

And there I was, thinking that this was a discussion of English grammar DISAPPOINTMENT TO THE MAXIMUM

I hate to break it to you but downgrading is impossible, when you regress to some old patterns its only a deeper integration of your ego.

Hey guys! Its late at night and I just had such a clarifying insight for me that just seems like something so incredibly fun to share with all of you. I have always felt like there was an imbalance in the dating scene. It doesn't necessarily include everyone, but I am mainly talking about the pick-up culture, club and party culture, and regarding a lot of what RSD teaches and operates in. The imbalance was what it is often referred to as "high value females" having such an abundance in men, that they walk around telling guys how to be, how to act and how to approach them so they like them more. I always found that on some level slightly repulsive. The sense of entitlement didn't make sense to me, why wasn't there sexual equality, where there can be sharing one another freely when both desire. And of course, this isn't any type of rant telling women how to behave and who to date. They are absolutely free to like who they like, and date who they feel attraction towards. That's absolutely natural and necessary. It isn't even necessarily one of those "testimonies of a nice-guy" complaining why I could never get laid because "those stupid bitches only date assholes", this kind of INCEL type of vibe, not at all. But from a young age I saw this kind of imbalance and I couldn't figure it out. Why was it that guys had to try so incredibly hard, why was it that the most effective dating advice is for a dude to get his life in order, to HAVE A PURPOSE, to BECOME confident, to conquer their life, to GO TO THE GYM and have interests, passions and hobbies. Why do dudes have to work so freaking hard to create attraction, and it doesn't flow automatically and naturally? I mean attracting your partner and having a relationship is one of the most beautiful things in life, to share yourself with another being is a privilege, joy and amazing opportunity to grow more than ever for both partners! Why does it require so much work on the side of the male? (Not to discredit any type of effort females put forth, but just speaking generally.) After all, it is guys who often spend so much time on dating advice, seminars, coaches... And then there is the result of this type of work. If you look at RSD coaches, or other examples of dudes who "made it", who learnt the "skillset" to attract females. The scenario doesn't usually go "oh I worked on myself, I found the love of my life and had a fulfilling relationship for two decades building a life together with an incredible loving family". No, the result often times is that the man "learns the MALE skillset", he attracts women. And that's exactly where it stays, and then there is this weird thing where he attracts more, and more, and keeps on chasing after those women, as if it were never enough, after all that hard work that he has done on himself, there will never be enough of the sex, of the attention, or of the need to gain the female validation. And this is just plain weird, it is a kind of loop that the man keeps spiraling in. And today I had a holy shit moment, and it all clicked. This loop is created by a certain type of culturally accepted abuse towards children, especially towards boys, and it is done by mothers. There is a term that I recently found, that had shed a lot of light onto my own family dynamic, where this type of abuse was very tangible. (I will share my story in a bit) Covert emotional incest. You might think that it sounds kind of brutal. But I bet that most of you have almost certainly experienced this type of dynamic in your own family, even if only in a subtle way. The most obvious and extreme cases of this phenomenon are in ex. A mother asking her son to listen to the trouble she is having in the relationship with her father. The child then feels validated by the things it is being told, and it feels like it is being useful as a listener. But that's not at all an appropriate thing to ask of a little boy! He's a small kid, he is the one who requires their needs met and not the other way around. It is a complete role reverse. It is of course unfortunate when a child cannot have their needs met and is in a situation where it's neglected. But this is actually a totally new level of that. Not only doesn't the child get their needs met, but the child is put into a position where it doesn't even get to have needs. A situation where a child doesn't get it's needs met is where it asks a parent, and the parent says "No, I am busy, go to your room." And that's a serious thing that affects us all. But in this scenario, the child doesn't even get to know it's needs. It is not even allowed to develop it's needs, because it is the one who is meeting the parent's needs. This dynamic doesn't often play out in the magnitude of a mother expecting her son to be a replacement for all she seems to lack in her romantic relationship type of situation. It is a more subtle dynamic. And even though it is an abusive imbalanced dynamic, it is so ingrained in our culture that you would NEVER imagine that this type of behavior could be considered inappropriate or abusive. Examples.: I could continue with more examples surely, but I am a little lazy when it comes to studying these things from external sources, I just like to go with my own intuition and experience so feel free to do research if this strikes you as interesting. All these examples have one thing in common. They are situations where the parents are putting the responsibility of their own personal fulfillment and happiness onto the child. In other words, parents have codependent relationships with their children. In my own family, this played out on such a large scale and affected me enormously. My own mother subconsciously objectified me to be her own personal "humanoid" fulfilling her needs and expectations. She would say things in a way where she would present herself as a victim of a situation, asking me to be her savior. In fact I had a conversation with her once, and she actually told me that she expects me to fulfill the emotional hole inside her. Without flinching or second guessing herself, or a grain of self-awareness where she would look at what she was actually asking me to do. In my childhood, I was without knowing it often manipulated by her so she could get her way and come out victorious, when I didn't want to do something, she would sweet-talk me into doing what she wanted, making it look as if she was the most amazing and loving mother on earth. In my own experience, I had NO idea why on some level I felt like I was a victim of sexual abuse. There was nothing in my history even remotely similar to any kind of sexual abuse, at least nothing I could understand. Not to minimize any type of sexual abuse, I am sure that the experience of it is horrific and beyond belief, however I can imagine that in the case of a parent abusing a child, one of the most significant aspects of the abuse is the sheer betrayal. The fact that your primary caretaker who is expected to care for you and love you unconditionally, supporting your needs and desires, out of everyone in the world, that this one person abused you in such a manner is a horrific experience of betrayal of the most serious degree. And that was the experience I had, there was a deeply betrayed part of me. The moment the child is expected to meet the parent's needs and is not on the receiving end of affection and love, while required to give it to the parent, a betrayal of the natural development is created. When I realized that this happened to me, I shared it with a friend. And the moment I mentioned that I always felt like I was sexually abused on some level he uttered "OMG ME TOO!" (Side note, we are both empaths so our ability to feel these things is amplified, these feelings may or may not be the same for the majority of guys who went through similar dynamic.) Then I would share some examples of this abuse happening in my childhood, and he would say "Wait but don't all mothers do that?", and I'd say "Yeah, I think this is real in many families, and that is a scary-ass thing to realize." Culturally, females are often viewed as sacred when it comes to the relationship with their children. it gives them oh so much power and almost immunity to all kinds of abusive behaviour, mascarading only as "good parenting", with excuses such as "Oh she is just doing it because she loves you so much.", while having almost absolute power to project all her unresolved emotional needs onto the child/boy. A Big FUCK THAT I say to that shit, for real... So to tie this back to the dating dynamic and pick-up culture. Guys are brought up in a dynamic being expected to meet the emotional needs of their mothers, and in extension then all the females they wish to date. This is the Nice guy. The nice guy who is there for their mom when she needs them, and who is then rewarded by their mom. When it comes to dating, suddenly this doesn't work anymore, and the girls don't respond to this dynamic with attraction. But let's not limit this to the Nice guy archetype. We can talk about the macho dudes, who can have trouble expressing themselves emotionally, or feel like crying is a weakness. That is actually the same wound, that says "I don't get to have emotional needs." And because we all feel like deep down we don't get to have needs, it creates this whole imbalance where females who are comfortable having needs, hold so much more power in the romantic or sexual interaction. And so the guy (And btw nothing wrong with this, I love the fact that dudes go and take control over their life.) goes and learns all the skillsets to attract women, which is a difficult and a huge step. And I applaud to all the guys who have the courage to change and evolve in this way. However on a much deeper level, there is an enormous wound within your being, that is actually a part of your child-self, that is desperate to have it's emotional needs met, and it doesn't know how. Heck it doesn't even know it's supposed to have needs. In culture there is often the distinction between the feminine role and the masculine role, and then the polarity between the two. In reality, it is not about your gender. Feminine and masculine are aspects that we all have within us, and the trick is to balance both of them out, rather than play the masculine role, expecting the feminine to be your partner. From this space, you can actually create relatinoships of equality, rather than perpetuate the old wounded dynamic. So that's that, I hope this resonates with you guys because this is actually such a big part of the illness of our society. It needs to stop being acceptable to abuse children in any way possible. This is the video that brought up the initial spark of clarity, check him out he's a therapist and a good guy with a heart in the right place.