theleelajoker

Ah yeah now I can see what you mean

@PurpleTree I liked your OP but I hesitated at "Ego is trying to be special" You mean this in a way of "ego is making things personal" or "ego is making things about itself"? Because in some way, we all are special in playing our role in this life, aren't we? So I would call myself special, just the same as I would call that you or anyone else

I only do it in organized settings. Can absolutely recommend it. Did 10 days, 8 days, 3 days retreats. Tried alone at home but did not work for me so I get your issue

Yeah I agree with your perspective. For me it's about getting better in reading these energies and then getting also better in acting on these energies. What it is? Well, that's really a good question where I don't have any answer

What if you see "meditation" simply as "being aware, being present, being open, in a state of acceptance" As a simple way of directing your attention? You can do that almost any time. Waiting for the bus, walking, etc. Really "sitting down for meditation" is for me then simply a more intense way of doing what I strive to do anyway in any situation. I don't see meditation and life as strictly separate. Also, how you do things matter. I sometimes get incredible results (changes in my state of awareness) in short time

How?

Anyone seen the froopyland episode of Rick and Morty and also being reminded of real life? A fantasy world to play around Life cannabilizing on itself Incest for survival (a consequence of Oneness in this reality)

I think different people can have different perspetives I think exchanging views and asking questions can be fruitful and /or entertaining

For me it's aligned with most of what others said: For me it seems that "true relevations" and "personal bias / personal believes" mix in psycedelic experiences There have been times where I feel that psycedelics helped me to uncover sth that was unconscious before. Helpful and practical stuff for my real life There where occasions were psycedelic relevations turned out to be far less important or even delusional after the trip It seems - at least for me - there is a significant risk while tripping to spin stories were you kind of get lost in these stories and apparent relevations. Happend to me recently on MDMA, I was incredibly convinced to see how certain relationships impacted each other, what certain behaviour of others mean, the causality behind it etc. It all seemed so clear, very convincing. Very good explanations for many things I observed. And few hours later I am very sceptic re my conclusions...

Still a great question that I have a hard time to answer. I'll try, but not very convinced myself. Experience is the realization (awareness) that something is happening, some change in a field holding information For us humans, it's happening either through the senses OR through "the mind" (I can hear a sound, or I can "feel" things in my body even if I don't think and don't touch, simply directing attention inside)

Sry sometimes can't resist to make some jokes Just meant to lighten up things - I like your guide and have fun discussing it with you!

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Yes yes I understand that, and I do operate with concepts too. It's not practical without in everyday life for me. I keep them - as best as I can - to minimum or entertainment purposes. What I am saying is that instead of taking out a thorn with a thorn, you can act like there is no thorn, or to start with just observe the thorn without taking it out, or to consider the thorn as so small that you don't need to take it out, or decide to take it out but to do it 5 minutes in the future, etc etc. Except of course, you like taking out thorns. In this case, I know a great master with a great technique for taking out thorns, located in the mountains close to Daramshala. He's difficult to find but if you REALLY want to find him, it's possible...

1. Don't know about Leo's quote, but SOMETIMES that can be the right approach : ) 2. Sure. Here is my personal impression of what you wrote: You have the intention for people not to get lost in ideas by GIVING AN IDEA. You try to replace one concept by creating another one. You lead away from "wrong" interpretations to a "right" interpretation. Maybe I am misunderstanding. But it reminds me of myself trying to create silence...

1. Brain example: Depends on your intention + personal taste. If the point is to make a paradoxical example, I would take something that is "lighter" to digest. An easy analogy? Or you had a zen quote, so maybe come up with your own koan? For instance, I created my own during difficult hours in the last retreat: I asked myself "how do I create silence and stillness?" 2. Spoiler: haha yeah...again, depends on intention of yours 3. Simplistic answers are not as satisfying in my opinion. Maybe for some it works. Yes and no. I always think of the Alan Watts Quote that is along sth like ~ "If you believe you need a psychotherapy, you do need one" So it's like you say...can be for entertainment. If simple answer are enough - fine, be happy : ) So if you want complex answers - fine, be happy : ) If you think you need complex answers - fine, be happy : ) If you think you need complex answer but you can't be happy needing it, then it's an option to reconsider your assumtions. I went through all 4, still go through all for and currently what entertains me most is no. 1 4. Isn't that useful for avoiding misleading ways in which it can be interpreted? I think it saves time to know these things instead of getting lost in ideas. Re-read the two sentences above. Noticing anything?

I don't feel like a master, rather as a jester. And this jester wants to comment ; ) General feedback metalevel: You could be more clear about your intention and the "what to do with it" from the beginning Your writing style: Lots of information that can be left out while keeping the messages. I would go through the text 3,4,5 times and everytime cut a few % of words and sentences. My estimate is that with max. 50% of the text, you can have same message but more clarity and reach more people For instance: The brain part doesn't add much meaning or impact for me, but it's a lot of text and IMO unecessarily adding complexity. You can make the point of "I" and "Ego" without including the brain stuff I use a trick sometimes: I look at an abstract, or 2-3 sentences and ask myself: How can I express this in one simple sentence? Content feedback: You say: "Ask yourself: is what I'm reading or thinking truly aligned with what I’m experiencing right now?" What is missing is the criteria to decide "ok that's aligned or not" I agree principally how you describe Maya, sandcastle analogy etc. Appearances that come and go. Vipassana gave a degree of insight into this. Also agree about attachment and getting sucked into the drama by creating and maintaining stories The next three points. Maybe darkness is a bug, maybe it's a feature? Maybe there is free will for us to decide which it is? Honestly don't know The darker the light of consciousness is, the deeper the brain will pull the void into fantasy, and so it falls asleep, and forgets that it was playing with appearances. The void isn't perfect as we idealize "perfect" to be, it has started from complete darkness, and it is now gradually gaining light through a process of awakening. It's manifestations are evolving and transforming darkness into the light of love. It's in a constant battle against the inner darkness, and so it must stay vigilant to keep the light from fading - This is the dramatic aspect of Maya The real problem is that one believes that thoughts can relate, or affect one another. This is the sneaky nature of thought, which is allowing for all of reality to "exist". How could thoughts affect one another, if they are just noises floating in an empty vacuum? Not so sure about the thougts being that irrelevant. Also does not really align with "The Maya is nothing but endless circular thoughts pointing at themselves", does it? Can't tell you what thoughts are, but I have a hard time seeing them as only noise without any impact. It's true that thoughts change, and that they are never describing what really is but only a temporary, incomplete labeling...but I have the impression that thoughts have an impact on the survival organism I am experiencing now. Can't say exactly, but the part re thoughts does not seem smooth for me now (maybe it's just me, who knows?) Because that's what gonna heal you, so that you could finally return to your true self and unite into your infinite nature. How do you know that this is what is desired? Maybe I want to be here because it like this more then the alternative Now the real feedback stuff: If you actually read the text, you might notice the meta-paradox and also the solution to the problem. All the material in the text is a thought story. It's now a file in you neural brain network, so it's absolutely useless to you as a story (Other than simple entertainment), unless you can use it to jump out into direct experience The big confusion, and an entirely wrong assumption, is talking about non-dual material without studying it thoroughly Outside of experience it doesn't make any sense at all, and should not imply any ontology whatsoever Bro, so you made a big story telling us to forget stories, you deconstructed meaning to create infinite meaning, you told us to let go of understanding by writing a huge text explaining things and THEN you added as icing on the cake 1) a statement telling us how things should be seen and 2) this stuff needs to be thouroughly studied? I guess you're the real joker hehe If you want me to go to direct experience, let's play a round of table tennis

1. Yeah so we are at least two people having this impression 2. Yeeees, definitely! You think you have to play the "nice guy" or "nice girl" and to keep in that conditioned role. Once I saw a kid ask a man "why do you have such a big nose?" Very childlike, innocent question born out of curiosity. The man laughed and was not bothered at all. But the kid's mum was like "ahhhhh you can't ask people this [to the kid]. I am very sorry for my kid asking you this!" [to the man]. Don't know if the kid feels safe to ever ask a question like this ever again. And there is fear of being disliked. One of my ex-gf had a really hard time expressing criticism towards me. But when she did, I was happy because I felt that she is right. I even felt a relieve, a feeling of "OK I really needed to hear that" and was grateful she told me sth I was not aware of before. So it's actually hurting two sides when not expressing things - one person is stuck with the enery, and the other does not experience what needs to happen. Of course, what is expressed has to be authentic and not some conditioned ego BS 3. Yeah, I was like that a lot before. Being influenced easily by behaviour of others, picking up bad vibes. It can be tricky to be open to reality in some way (accepting things as they are) and still being somewhat detached. Over time I learned techniques to go to a place in my mind where I simply not give a fuck It's not working everytime 100% and instantaneously. But it's a skill that is "trainable" and even going 50%, 60%, 70% of this path brings so much more freedom and joy

And thank your for posts. You made me aware of some things I was not / only superficially aware of. And you give me motivation to actually take some action to improve the situation for me and others

That made me laugh

Silence is nice, I like my silent mind. But from time to time, I also like some mind chatter. It's like a show for entertainment. Key for me is Not to take everything my mind says so dead serious Find somehow a way to remind me to not take all thoughts too serious

In a discourse by Goenka, he refers to Buddhas model of experience respectively functioning of the mind. Maybe useful here. I copy paste a chatGPT summary: 1. Viññāṇa – Consciousness This is just awareness – knowing that something is happening. Example: You hear a sound. You’re simply aware that hearing is happening. 2. Saññā – Perception This part recognizes or labels what you are aware of. Example: You hear the sound and recognize it as "a dog barking." 3. Vedanā – Sensation This is the feeling that arises in the body — pleasant, unpleasant, or neutral. Example: The dog’s bark might cause a tension in your chest (an unpleasant sensation). 4. Saṅkhāra – Reaction This is your automatic mental reaction to the sensation — craving or aversion. Example: You don’t like the barking (aversion), and your mind reacts with irritation. How It All Works Together: You become aware (viññāṇa) You recognize the experience (saññā) A bodily sensation arises (vedanā) You react to it — wanting or resisting (saṅkhāra)

I know many people that are very sensitive to energies just as you describe. Sometimes I have the feeling that EVERYBODY has the potential to be that sensitive to what is going on. But it's goes against such a strong conditioning that is is buried very deep, many layers of resistance. Took me quite a while and many experiences to realize how sensitive I actually am as well. And with women I experienced that some are aware of this sensitivity, but many do it very intuitively without knowing that they are reacting to energies instead of the superficial reality. The men I know are more aware but seem kind of afraid to talk about it. Anyone also with the impression that this sensitivity to energy is just something that can be accessed by anyone? Sounds familiar. But I never was that conscious about it, I think most of my life it was a silent rebellion against living like most people without me knowing what exactly I rebell against. It becomes more clear now as I get older (late 30s now). What pisses me off is that I felt "wrong" for not fitting in, for being different, e.g. not caring about money, conflict and status like many others, always questioning what's wrong with me. And I see others do the same - feelings of shame, guilt, being wrong, not belonging, feeling out of place, disliking oneself for being different and suppressing one's own sensitivity and feelings. Maybe it's one of the reasons why the world is waking up very slowly - nobody likes to feel that way. Right now it seems to me that society does not reward sensitivty but rather prefering to drown in distractions.

@Mellowmarsh Yeah feels like that for me, too. Got me some time to adjust to it (and adjustment is oc still ongoing as long as I am alive) Yeah that was strange for me too, for a long time This feeling of wanting to say to others "Really, you don't think sth is strange? Really, don't you notice how nothing is "normal"? Re the terrifying part: Been there. My experience: These feelings come. These feelings go. Something better arrives : ) My oppinion: Everything is absolutely OK with you I would say that some people are just more sensitive, more observant, more connected and thus experience reality differently. But it's not you being "wrong" in any way. Maybe it's the others just not being fully there at this level of experience (which is not "better" or "worse" - just different)

@Spiral Wizard Like your write-up. Matches a lot with my experiences and desribes a good idea of the process. As you said, the non-verbal part is crucial. I would add that there is also fun in this process, not only pain Pain is the key, but once you found it you can enter into something better