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@IshangaHm my post is coming from a different perspective. It's about causality and the individuals ability to create specific manifestations by following a certain method. The 50lb brick - this will hurt, I will scream and do everything to avoid the physical pain. It's real as hell. I don't want to go into the "not real all emptiness" discussion, I am quite tired of this. What I mean is that "I" can come up with 1000+ explanations how I manifested the experience. How I can direct my experiences, how I can casually create this or that experience (Wealth, love, adventures etc.) - and maybe none of this is true? Several 1000 years of humanity, and every week there is a new video "how to really manifest, how to powerfully manifest, how not to manifest". I habe been influenced by such concepts as well, currently I am becoming more an more skeptic Let's assume we put these people in the trenches of war in Ukraine, let their plane crash in the andes etc and then see if their manifestations techniques work. Now you maybe rightfully ask what is the alternative? For me, simplicity has a certain charme. Simiiar to Breakingthewall's "open and closed" it simply goes like that: 1. Minimize your resistance to what it (open to experience, or closed to it). 2. Experience and express (goes along with emotional charges that might be there) 3. See what happens next 4. Repeat What's the difference now? I am not claiming to "manifest" anything, to create anything. I am just taking the ride that is offered. Maybe that's the only choice we have in life? To resist, or to not resist? To be open, or not to be open?

Anyone here considering that manifestation simply does not exist? Stanislav Grov once made a comparison. Imagine you watch a movie, and you see a man (let's call him Luke) shoot another man. The man that has been shot starts to bleed, he goes to the ground. He winds himself in pain. Eventually he lies still on the ground and we as viewer of the movie believe that Luke, the shooter, killed man no. 2. But nothing like that has happened. The man that has been shot is alive. He's well. And Luke, our shooter, did nothing of consequence. So...you get where I am going, right?

Concepts, techniques, methods for me are: 1) Like a boat. Once you crossed the river, you leave the boat behind. You're strong enough to swim without a boat? Swim. 2) Like the crumbs of bread in Hänsel and Gretel: Once you found the next one, the old one looses all his value. Moreover: If you look to hard for the crumb of bread, you miss the root in front of you, you stumble and you blame others for their flawed concepts lol

@Ishanga: Thx did not know this! @whatamI: Did not know this, either. Meditation center I knew but the part with DMT and Iboga ist new for me. I also find the "awakentheworld" stuff high quality content. Started with the "Inner worlds outer worlds" series many years ago and sometimes I am simply amazed how he condensed such huge amount of information in just an 1h of movie. Lot's of knowledge, same time lots of practical advice as well. Was interested in how others see it. Only thing I don't like is that some movies seem over-dramatized (suspenseful soundtrack at times). All in all, I love his content and I rewatch old parts from time to time. And everytime, I learn something new

What's your opinion on the content? They made different films in the last ~10 years. https://www.youtube.com/@AwakenTheWorldFilm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sacred_Mushroom_and_the_Cross

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@r0ckyreed Exactly, that's because YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN BECAUSE YOU CAN'T KNOW! That's the whole point of it. Koans illustrate the limitations of the mind, of the rational thinking, so that you can experience for yourself and find peace in not knowing. Or much more, you stop seeking to understand, know and explain. Inner peace : )

Can't see how you come to the conclusion. My goal re spirituality is for instance is integration of the mental (thoughts, feelings), physical (matter) and spiritual (everything that is not mental or physical) dimensions. In order to do that, I need to open up sufficiently to all of it.

@Princess Arabia I like your posts, nicely written and good message IMO Made me think about sides of myself that I might ignore or do not pay enough attention to. Thx

@Xonas Pitfall Thanks for writing this, the thing with the colour was new for me @Princess Arabia and @r0ckyreed: Interesting to follow your discussion. I think for such situations, koans were created : )

He said, while not clarifying what he actually meant.

Re the OP: Agree with most of the others, all in all sounds good but depends very much on the definition of "suffering": Let's say you have 4 children, they all die suddenly. Is suffering that you are sad that they are no more in your life? Or is it only suffering if you are sad about the fact that you are sad? This whole enlightenment stuff, this concepts of self-realization etc - it's all just words. What resonates with me is a combination of points that have been brought up in the previous posts. For example like this: You have no resistance to what is right now, in your direct experience and open unlimited and unconditionally to whatever was, is and might be. Still a lot of words. Can one simplify it? No resistance = acceptance. And we are always in the now. And what we have is always direct experience, isn't it? So easier: Accept and experience. Can it be simplified? Well, what if I do not want to accept? I want to be in denial. Then it's the experience I want to have, right? If I choose resistance, then that's what I want, right? So I don't need to accept. Which leaves me with: Experience. That's what we do anyway, right? Don't know how not to experience...

Full transparency: I am heavily influenced by the hindu ideas of "Maya", "Leela /Lila"; big Fan of Stanislav Grov, Alan Watts for example. My replies are basically "their replies". Why? The simply resonate the most with me. It simply feels "true" for me since many years (that might change in the future, who knows?) That being said, my answers: 1. Benefit of slow evolving: It's like listening to a song, or dancing a dance: The goal is not to come to the end of the song fast; the shortest songs are not the best songs just bc they are short; and you don't dance to get to the other side of the room - you do it bc you enjoy the process of dancing, listening to music etc 2. Value gradual understanding: See no 1; See hero journey, typical storytelling, your own life; the feeling of deserving, the feeling of putting in work and then finally realizing it; love stories that have some resistance vs. everything went smooth from beginning to end. Great stories have great processes. 3. Cosmic Game: Tbh, the more I dive into my own personal development, my own levels of consciousness, the more I think it's just entertainment. Simply entertainment. The poem below it's translated automatically but I think you can understand it's message- The finger pointing to the moon If you point your finger at the moon and you concentrate on the finger, you miss the heavenly splendor,because you are too busy with yourself. But you're not important at all, because without the moon You wouldn't be able to see your finger at all. See your opponent as a moon. Because without an opponent there is no fight. Now delete the emotion, the words Evoke “enemies” or “enemies” in you and now see him as a teammate. Because without players the game is boring. Then play your game and never change it without an absolute reason! Your biggest enemy is your ego. Even more than your counterpart. Therefore, before you want to defeat another, you should You have to start yourself. See everything as a game. You would like to win, but if you are only on If you think you win, you will probably lose. You Doesn't have to be the best, but you should try.

My first thought: Yeah, why not? Would be great to avoid wars, conflicts, fights for resources etc, right? Then my second thought: It would not be the same "cosmic game" anymore, would it? Something (NOT "someone" I don't believe in shadow societies ruling the world) has an interest to either keep this, or to let things evolve slowly, right?

Beautiful description

Lol that's the best analogy I have seen re the "why" Gonna use that in the future to illustrate the use and the limits of the mind, thanks!

There are infinite possible explanations. I don't see any reason to come to your conclusion

I am not a teacher, but I participated in a few group sessions. Worked wonders for my nervous system and anxiety. I felt incredible relaxed afterwards and the effect is (to a degree) also long term. Can 100% recommend it. Don't know what kind of education my instructor has. Needless to say, the quality of the trainer and the specific fit of breath work type is crucial. Also went to sessions that were close to useless. Once I found what works for me in the current phase of my life I want to continue it. Group and live with instructor is much easier and more effective than doing it on my own at home with video.

Posted it before, but I would like to emphasize it again: Reading Lisa Barret Feldmann re how we construct emotions has been very helpful for me. Understanding process of emotions was a crucial step in order to regain (more) power over my emotional life step by step, little by little. And like someone in a previous post said this process made me more comfortable in the role I am playing in this drama

I believe a lot of it is cultural conditioning. Thinking you can have one without the other, or that one is "positive" or "negative"

Would not go as far as saying "all pleasant" since then - but I had one very strong psychedelic experience some months ago and I can see a clear trajectory upwards since then. The difference to all other psychedelic experiences was that I had a strong loss of identification. It like I am on a boat and the experience changed the course I was taking by 1 or 2 degrees. Slow at the beginning, but the change becomes stronger and stronger every month. It's not only the psychedelics (it were mushrooms) but also many other factors that catalyzed change. Nevertheless, I feel that the trip played a crucial role.

What are you expecting from posting here? Understanding, advice, concrete tips what to do, etc.?

Yes, connected many dots for me. Thx for sharing

@LyubovI agree and can relate with your points. For me, both the functional but also my dysfunctional relationships have been incredible re growth. I would even go as far to say that IMO you cannot reach certain levels without relationships. Thinking of purusharta, you first go for a family and then you go into a cave. What bothers me is that some personal believe systems and attitudes are generalized are presented as "true". I believe this to be reckless and irresponsible as it causes a cascade of thoughts and actions that are not constructive or healthy for people's life.