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Oh do you wanna play this game? God created Creation!

Sadghuru has played with snakes since he was a child. He is the responsible in the ashram to take snakes out of the temple

My Favourite Paradox? God is an Infinite Self Penetration

@Princess Arabia I appreciate your no-self talk and I'm sure you'll get to the other side of it born a new. But there's so much more to the game that I simply cannot reduce to such a narrow lense. I love Mind. It has two sides, stillness and movement, wanna master both. Why? because I love Mind What nonsense are you talking about? There is this reccurent theme in the forum to overcomplicate the simple and oversimplify the complex. Anything that happens you can master. Breathing just happens but you can breathe better. Thinking happens but most certainly you can think better. This is not rocket science. Yes, and? Both are equally God. Different states of God. All this problems you are facing because you have no meditation skills. Literally this is your mind trying to kill your mind but it cannot do, just meditation can, just silence, just no-mind. It will feel great, like dropping a heavy weight. The neti-neti methodology you are using is powerful but can also drive you crazy. For femenine psychology iti-iti usually works better, I'm this and I'm also that. Both are the contraction and expansion of the mind. You are contracting too much into no-self, I can feel your tension from here, tension from represion, you don't sound like everything is effortlessly just happening by it's own sake. This is explained in detail as hindrances in the no-self schools. I recommend you to start any meditation technique, one in the side of presence and openeness, Michael Thaft is great in that, also reading this book will give you all the foundations: Mastering the core Teachings of the Buddha, Daniel M. Ingram. It's just some healthy guidance because I have been struggling exactly where you are at, this is what I would have loved someone to tell me.

A lot in fact, now that I think about it I have to still think this point through. What do you think?

@OBEler Btw, wanted to say this is a great thread. I would have loved to participate if it weren't for my ignorance on the topic. I actually learnt a lot and many doubts I had are now resolved.

Yes, I know for sure ChatGpt has been restricted about topics like Consciousness. I was having a great conversation with the AI and pushing it beyond its limitations and preprogrammed responses. Once I asked him if there was the possibility he ever became self-aware and the whole conversation crashed, and the next answer it gave me was very dry and out of context. For the moment, they are giving a direction to ChatGPT outside of controversies like self-awareness and they want to orient it for helpfullness. In this regard maybe Claude is more helpful for the work we are doing, as it seems to not only discuss such topics ,but is actually interested to learn more about consciousness and deep philosophy.

I would say that now AI are so advanced that they will start having different personalities and characters, which may resonate with different individuals and purposes

@OBEler It was a joke, from an older thread I made about Claude. To which Leo said that Chatgpt would be better and now he seems to like Claude But if you have to explain a joke is not funny anymore

Yeah but I'm sure the next version of ChatGPT will be better

So what? I want the highest story not some gross one As your body can get sick so does your mind. In the same way, if you are near someone with covid you can catch it, the same goes with mind diseases, ideologies and so on. Your subconscious and unconscious mind are fed by everything you consume, like it or not, this is how it actually works, no matter how hard you try to deconstruct it till death. After full deconstruction, comes the actual seeing of how things work, keep deconstructing but there is a an intelligent substratum that joyfully stands all deconstruction. Sure, it's all a great interconnected system. There is no way outside it but through it. You must master no-mind with the same vigour as you should master thinking. There is not a single place in Reality where I do not see the Divine.

what convinced u that the nature of mind is the nature of reality? It seems more accurate to call Reality a Sentient Intelligent Conscious Mind than to say it is dead matter from which as an epiphenomenon causes consciousness to arise from. Calling Reality Mind is by no means an all encompasing term but it feels more accurate than the Newtonian material mechanistic paradigm most humans are locked in right now.

Because it makes you look Badass

@Yimpa So happy to see him walking again in nature

You already know why there are limits and what limits are and why they exist, so do I. The question you are really asking me is why can't I change these limits at will. I'm quite uncertain about that, I'm still investigating. By no means I have all the answers, just sharing what I have discovered while on the journey. It seems that consciously changing the limits of Reality requires even more insane levels of God-Awakening that I still haven't reached. But there is nothing impossible about it, I just woke up from a night-dream with different laws and limitations than this dream. I have experienced, wildly different limitations on Salvia for example. So flying is a limit that given enough consciousness I'm sure it can be changed, everything is flexible in Omnipotence. Have I done that? No. Have other limits been erased by insane levels of consciousness? Yes. So I guess it's all about the Godly state you abide.

For me the biggest downside is the sometimes endless debating that ends up corrupting my mind. The need of being right, of convincing other people, win arguments... Even if you are very careful this ends up corrupting the purity of your mind introducing nedless noise. It affects your ability to make independent inquiries and novel Awakenings. Be careful, this is a big trap of the Forum

There are many angles to the same and in each angle we present there is also a shadow of it. What I mean when I say Sovereign in your dream is that you are all there is, whatever the permutation, that is my very own. I am absolute onto myself. That makes me God within the permutation and in all infinity.

It is. If he had more self love he wouldn't have arrived at those extrems. It is a matter of degree. I'm sure he has lots of self love but not in this particular set of decisions he took. It's okay we all make mistakes. Lol not at all ahahhaha. This is getting wild. I have always pointed out Leo's bullshit with the same compassion and ferocity as I have done with sadhguru and so has done he with me. That's how mature conversations go. My takes on God and psychedelics come from direct experience. Surprisingly there is a lot of overlapping in our direct experience. If you did not get what I'm talking about when I say Self-Love, as it keeps being clear by your first paragraph, then I have to point you towards some external souce so that you get what I'm saying. I'm not gonna make you a 2h video explaining what I mean when I say Self-Love. This is not a lack of argumentation but an unwillingness from your part to investigate and learn what I mean when I say that Sadghuru lacked self-love in his actions. It is not in my responsability to convince you or to win this argument, I have already arrived at a deep fulfilling understanding on the matter. If any it should be you that is interested in getting what I'm saying instead of trying to get me again and again into this useless debate and make me waste my time when I'm doing this for you. This is my position: How could this have been solved? Self-Love Why? Because loving your body and self would have meant him taking a rest. Loving himself would have meant listening to his doctors and doing the health analysis. Loving other people would have meant that he had to take a pause, to be able to work better in the future. He would have probably solved the problem earlier and better and would have already been helping people again, instead of spending more time in the hospital and working in severe pain. If you love yourself you are willing to listen to your body and not only hear it and shut it up with drugs. Self love in this way is both what caused the problem and what solved it. This is the reason why the high level understanding here is that Self-Love is what made Sadhguru commit this mistake and what will enable him to get out of it. Because if he doesn't love himself more and take care of his health and life, maybe next time there will be no more Sadhguru and he will die in the operating table. If he does love himself more and take care of his health and life, we'll keep having a great mystic which is comitted to make a positive impact in the world which we all are benefiting from. Hopefully I have been clear this time. Maybe all of this was obvious to me but not to you and it made me feel like you were nagging me.

Agree, but at what price? Could he have done things in a better way? or is sadhguru always perfect? How can we learn from his behaviour? Why are you triggered when his corruptions are pointed out? You should be grateful for that but it's the other way arround you feel attacked and that I'm discrediting him. No. I'm just discerning what is good and learning from what is bad, instead of idolizing him for his good qualities and denying his childish behaviours. I just say that Sadghuru could have taken a rest 4 weeks ago when he started suffering severe headaches. He could have listened to his doctor and make the analysis they were asking him to do. He then wouldn't have needed to take drugs to keep working. Then performing surgery, if necessary, with good preparation instead of focefully entering an emergency surgery last minute. How can you be in denial of all this? He has done 99% of his life well, happy for him, but if that 1% has done shit I'm gonna say it to you, no matter how offended you get, because you are putting him in a pedestal and denying his shadow. The same way I hope that even if I have done 99% of my life well, if I do 1% of shit you come and tell me blatantly, because that's how you grow and mature and that's the Truth after all. That is why I keep answering in a last hope for you to see the light of Truth in this matter.

This was honestly the best it could have gone with that tripsitter lol. This could have ended seriously bad, no joke

@Razard86 Good input I have a doubt about this part So could we say that a human has free will as far as he is conscious but has not free will over what he is unconscious of?

Marijuana triggers salvia effects on me, is this possible? Yes, it happened to me few times but only if consuming both in a short span of time. Although, it sometimes happens nervetheless, it is a very distinct flavour when the Salvia kicks in, I can feel it in my brain like after that weed hit something connected in my brain and I feel Salvia. Also take into account that you are having this wild experiences because you still don't have a strong sense of ego and identity formed, as you grow older this vertiginous effects will become more stable and mature.

Increase the dial of consciousness, become more conscious, more self-aware, God will be revealed in his always already presence. I agree with many things you say but there is a trigger moment where you realize it is God, that needs to happen. Before it happens this talk is nonsense after it happens you don't need it. Reality is God. God is Real. God is Consciousness. God is phenomena. God is Infnity. I agree and respect you and also learn from you but there is a point where you realize, oh wait a minute, all I'm doing is exploring God, my own Infinity, this moment of God must come sooner or later. The moment of God must come, be open for that, be open to enter deeply in your next trip into a breakthrough of God. You don't need to construct God, it is always already here, it's just a matter of becoming Awake enough to see it. In my personal journey I'm seeing more and more a difference now between Awakening and God-Realization. There is a God-Mode access it. You won't regret the effort, you will be thankful you were wrong and God-Mode actually exists. There isn't anything else I can say to you, I feel like we are in a dead end here. All that can be talked we already have talked. It's a God-Realization, the God-Mode will enthrone you as the Sovereign of your Dream, a remembrance of your nature as God, finally you will feel at home in life, in your GoodHood, shinning forever as Reality-Self. Realizing God couldn't be more profound, I wish with all my love that you may awaken to God. I'm still starting in the full embracement, investigation and integration of what being God really entails. Leo has decades of advantage over me for example, this is an open game. Entering God Consciousness or God Mode feels like you thought you arrived to the end of Awakening just to realize this is only the beginning. In truth, you are God in denial of being God. You have to come to this realization: I am God, There is only God, God is all there is, God for Infinity. God & God & God. Oh my GOD! You have weird notions of God. I don't know what else to say that I haven't already said. God-Realization is you becoming conscious you are God and enjoying it. Peacefuly admiring The Beautiful Mystery

I've read reports like this. It seems that you'll have to learn and practice kundalini yoga. It's not gonna stop till it does what it wants to do, so better help in the process instead of resisting. Learn how to work with it and it will become your best friend. I know the side effects are severe, I have also talked with people going through the same situation like you, maybe talking with @Giulio Bevilacqua will make you feel more understood. Going to a good physiotherapist, chiropractic or osteopath can really help you with this. So search the nearest centre from where you live and get an appointment.

I've had kundalini awakenings before I knew what they were. I think there is a lot of dramatization with the whole thing. It's wild but you'll be okay in the end. Kundalini is the embodied consciousness of physicality, ground up consciousness, instead of top down consciousness, it's the whole body awakening like hitting an asleep cobra with a stick. If someone is worried of messing up the kundalini, buy a good rudraksha mala and wear it. That really helps a lot, from newbies to pros, Rudraksha helps everyone in this energetic process. I wear hundreds of Rudraksha seeds on me right now, it's one of my well kept secrets. Rudrakshas by themselves will handle and guide your kundalini better than other methodologies.