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Of course, if you personally attack someone, anyone will be triggered. I'm talking about criticizing their actions, regulating their actions. It seems to be that women want that from men. And that feminists have brainwashed them into believing that 'that's toxic masculinity'. This is a right you get as a leader, not just as a 'man'.

In this podcast, they talk about why women criticize men. And, their conclusion, is that it works for women! Women would work on it immediately if you criticized them. But, to a man, it feels like a rejection. That's why it doesn't work for men. And no, you're not allowed to criticize feminist women, it's against their rules, cuz 'MISOGYNEE'. You don't criticize them, you take action against them. You boycott them.

That's not the problem at hand. (And, for the record, I don't demonize women.) The problem at hand is that we don't seem to agree on the level of delusion of feminism of the past 10 years. Even David Deida is not immune to this. Even he thinks that 'men grow by criticism, women grow by approval'. He's supposed to be at Stage Green, right?! He's seen as a better alternative to someone like Andrew Tate (which he undoubtedly is, don't get me wrong) but this is something that limits even him. Criticize the women for once. And watch them grow! That's all I'm saying. It's not 'demonization'. If you think that this is 'misogynistic', that's simp-conditioning. (By the way, the whole point of calling you 'misogynistic' is to condition you to be a simp, to put women on a pedestal, because women can do no wrong.)

In the past 10 years, it has been a reality in schools across the board that girls are given the 'you go girl' attitude and boys are told 'hold yourself back, you're inherently toxic'. None of you boomers get this, cuz you haven't seen this!! Then you tell me that 'I'm making this up'. And, of course, yall turn this into a dick-measuring contest. Ask any man below the age of 25, they'll basically agree that there is a war on masculinity. And no, we're not just 'bitching and moaning' about it, it is a real thing. If you tell me 'this is still bitching and moaning, I don't see a solution', I'll show you the solution. Step 1 - Recognize that when feminists say 'toxic masculinity', they're projecting their own toxicity onto you. They're the toxic ones! Especially in the last 10 years, it's gotten really toxic and everyone above the age of 30 keeps supporting it and everyone below this age keeps getting screwed as a result. Stop that, stop supporting them ideologically, in terms of actions, etc. Boycott them. Step 2 - Recognize that any man under the age of 25 who is a 'feminist ally' is basically a simp. Step 3 - Turn simping into the new taboo. In fact, you have to watch like a hawk how the mainstream conditions you to be a simp. Things like porn, things like 'believe all women', things like the rising popularity of OnlyFans and Instagram models, etc. Step 4 - Decode what feminists are saying and try to figure out what their agenda is. For example, when someone says 'I'm a feminist', they're telling you that they're a trash human being (and telling you that you're trash, i.e. projecting) and that you should stay away from them. I.e. They're taking the trash out for you. This will give you a real understanding of women and how feminists appeal to women, socially. 'Being a feminist' should unironically be seen as a mental disorder, that's based on delusion and you have to figure out what that delusion is and actively work to debunk those. We just call them 'crazy' in jest. Get more serious about that assessment, figure out the nature of their craziness. Step 5 - Figure out red-flags to vet them out in your dating-life. Once you figure out how their mind works, you can spot the red-flags from afar and you can vet them out easily. You want a woman who loves men, not someone who hates men. Don't put up with the 'equality' crap in your relationships because they will not let you lead, they will not let you take charge. And we can all agree that it's healthier when the man leads, that it's sexier. So, say no to feminists in dating. They say they 'can't find good men'? Good. That's what you deserve for being a feminist. Fix yourself, become more feminine or die alone. This is what you say to men, right?! This is what we say to you.

It's a line in David Deida's 'The Way of the Superior Man'. In fact, there is an entire chapter called 'Enjoy your Friend's criticism'. Also, in the book 'King, Warrior, Magician, Lover', this was alluded to. A lot of masculinity coaches have really taken this to heart. This seems like a subconscious thing the West believes in general, actually. Because, when you talk about something you're going through which is a collective thing that the society could collectively work together to improve, what do you get told?! 'Grow up, man up, stop being a little bitch'. It's the whole benevolent emasculation thing, where they project their own lack of masculinity onto you and they make the whole thing about masculinity, they turn the whole thing into a dick-measuring contest.

The first thing I will tell you is that most people don't live a life of purpose. There is nothing abnormal about you if you feel like you don't have a purpose. Most people don't even get to this point, where they see the meaninglessness of life. They think they have a purpose, but this purpose is defined for them externally. It's, say, getting good grades, or getting a promotion in their corporation, or getting married and having kids. Secondly, I remember feeling like this at the end of my second year of engineering, where I went for an internship at Honda motors. It was very shitty, in terms of lifestyle. It was an hour-long commute, the environment was really dead and boring, it was a manufacturing-line. I didn't see human beings there, I saw robots. I saw that if I don't change my trajectory in life, I will end up working at this big corporation, where, my observation about them was 'they are wasting their life for money'. And, this is the best-case scenario. Up until this point, I was a total square on the career-front, I had never tried anything new, I had never even entertained the thought of 'what is it like to be an entrepreneur' or 'what is it like to be an artist'. Mentally, it was too far outside the box for me. I basically had two options, practically speaking. Either I continue down this path, or I get into research and prepare for grad-school. I chose the latter option and I started putting in some serious work to make it happen. And I made it happen. I didn't particularly find my purpose there either, but this was the start of the process of finding it. Consider what you're experiencing a 'call to a Hero's journey' so to speak. And this Hero's journey, is finding your purpose. If making music or drawing is too far outside the box for you, just focus on transitioning your niche in your job for now, into something that aligns more with your personality. That will give you an idea as to what value you (by 'you', I mean, who you really are, not what the system says you are) are capable of offering to the world. That will also probably be scary, you will probably have naysayers even on that front.

A lot of our arguments here have been stemming from a fundamental disagreement on this issue. So, I would like to give myself (and you) the opportunity to clarify this to yourself (and to us) - what does it mean to you to be 'good with women'? To me, this is what it means - to be able to spot women who are receptive to my love for them. When you have this definition, the biggest concern is to vet out those women who hate men. You have to hard-screen the self-proclaimed feminists for man-hate and you have to figure out why they hate men, so that you can run as far as possible from them. According to me, what is the point of dating? It is to find someone compatible, to enter a long-term relationship and start a family. I think that this is most women's idea of dating. This is why (no offense to you who may have a different dating-objective), women probably frown upon guys who learn 'game' and whose goal is to 'get laid'. And this is what they will hard-screen for. And, this is why 'neediness' and 'desperation' would be a red-flag. Because, to their eyes, you're 'thinking with your dick, not your head, when you're evaluating compatibility'. Because, honestly, I don't see any other reason why neediness would be a red-flag. Women want relationships just as much as we do.

A narcissistic man isn't ideal, sure, but he would be 'familiar'. Simply because the only way to relate with a narcissist is purely transactional and if you're a narcissist yourself, the 'no strings attached' aspect of it could appeal to you.

Honestly, it depends on the woman. If you are vulnerable about how you're feeling with the right women, they will 100% have empathy for you. If they don't, they're narcissistic and you can emotionally distance yourself from them. They will not complain about your 'emotional unavailability' anyways. A lot of women with daddy-issues grow up believing that men have no feelings at all, that men are these stoic narcissistic animals. Until they meet a man who is vulnerable with them about his feelings. Then they're able to be more empathetic. And, one final point - if they give you the 'man up' talk, that's benevolent emasculation. I talk about it on this thread:

Here's what I've found - be persistent with her (in an appropriate way). If she calls you 'creepy', she hates men. The reality is that she doesn't know anything about you. So, if she's using a man-hating slur on a guy she barely knows, she hates men. There I said it.

@Norbert Somogyi I understand your criticisms of my approach. I reflected on why I have this approach. And here's why. I believe that there is a lot of value in understanding how man-haters play victim-control dramas and get simps and white-knights to come to their rescue. They play on other people's protective instincts and weaponize it to demonize you and ruin your reputation. I have no mercy for this behavior and I think it is important to tell people that this kind of thing happens. Women are physically weaker than men and run greater risks on a physical level, face more threats on a physical level. It is very easy for some women to totally blame men for this, totally make men responsible for their safety and if you even look at them the wrong way, demonize you for it. This is not because 'women are more emotional', it's because they feel entitled to men being protective of them, because 'that's what a real man does'. So, on the one hand, when they see some men only being protective towards women they're sexually interested in, they think 'men only want sex, men are pigs who sexually objectify women' and you get this man-hating rhetoric. On the other hand, when they face actual issues with predators, they blame the good men for not doing anything about it and they equate 'nice guy' with 'weak guy' and you get that man-hating rhetoric. The way they practically deal with it is to become very controlling and enforcing of social norms and anyone who doesn't behave within those norms is a 'creep'. (Doesn't help them in dating, because only simps will play their game. Actually masculine guys don't play by their social rules, don't fall for the shit-tests, they set their own social rules.) And some of these women will even do actually despicable things to you, like falsely accuse you or play victim-control dramas in which they involve everybody else in your relationship and talk shit about you to them. The solution for them would be: Recognize that they need men to protect them, see through the BS of 'women don't need men', Stop being codependent in relationships and develop a sense of self, sexually, so that they stop putting up with narcissistic men, Develop a deeper understanding of masculinity and femininity so that they understand what's possible and what the true role of men is in their lives, Figure out how to be authentically feminine and make something work with the men who embody this version of masculinity. They're not hopeless cases by any means, they can fix this. We just have to recognize that this is the reality of a lot of women around us and focus on guiding them through this process, so that the quality of our own relationships improves and we get to have some sanity.

Yeah, it is realistic. If you want this long-term relationship to be loving, though, that's a different story. Then the traumas that they're coping with using loud music, booze, drugs and casual sex will get in the way.

That is what I'm doing. That is the entire problem, that they're co-operating with the wrong women. They have to figure out who they should co-operate with! If this is a 'theory' for you that can be 'proven wrong', fine, you don't have to buy it. There are those of us who have experienced it first-hand, though. We can't disprove our lived experience. I have met a lot of lovely ladies who basically agree with me. Who think that feminism has gone too far and that the anti-male movement must stop. This is an example of the pro-masculinity movement, when women side with men.

There is another mistake that men have made. And that is, to turn into such weak little simps (post women's sexual revolution) that we've spoiled the women, to the degree that women have no qualms coming on camera and saying 'the biggest problem with society is men'. Like, why does she have no fear of getting cancelled when she says that?! If I got on camera and said 'the biggest problem with society is women' (which, in case yall are wondering, I don't actually believe), I would get cancelled. This is the other side of the coin of the mistake men have made. Yes, they've regulated each other with BS rules that women have been emboldened to hold them to. But, what they've also done, is not regulate women at all! It's a double-standard that is a result of simping. And, women played into this by calling all fair criticism of women 'misogyny'. And, the simps bought into it. The result? You have OnlyFans girls who make millions off of simps who they themselves hate! It is true that women have faced some BS stigmas in the past. Having said that, the solution is not to eradicate all stigmas. Man-hate has to become the new stigma. We have to regulate women for this attitude. I don't care which shit-tests you use, I talk about one that I think works. But sniff it out and boycott them, abandon them, isolate them. They deserve nothing from you. Collectively, we have to crack down on it and take action against it.

Intuition is supposed to bring us together, not take us apart. The intuitive, healthy women that I've met don't use this word. Instead, they choose to take responsibility for how they feel. They don't use verbiage like 'they made me feel this'. They take responsibility for their own triggers. This BS is just man-hate. And how dare they ruin someone's reputation based on their own subjective feelings?! That cannot be healthy. We just have to not enable it and take a stand against it.

The fact that they're using this slander-term to describe you publicly, means that their morality entitles them to hate men and talk shit about men, be disrespectful towards men. I don't care what this term means to them privately. The fact that they're willing to pass a snap-judgement based on whatever limited data they have about you also proves that they're not interested in knowing what they're talking about and they're just looking for a confirmation-bias for their man-hating ideology.

And, I don't think that official stats will show you the full picture, or will be enough to show you the full danger of getting falsely accused. Any woman who is a people-pleaser is potentially dangerous. Because there are chances that she says 'yes' when she means 'no', she regrets it later on, she deflects that onto you, she resents you for it and one day, MeToo's you. And once she does that, you're guilty until proven innocent. Mainstream society will tear your image apart to shreds. All sex-crimes are 'guilty until proven innocent' by design. Because if someone complains against you, the authority-figure's question to you will be 'if she consented to you, why would she complain?!'

@something_else @Princess Arabia @Buck Edwards Relax, I'm not going MGTOW. I have had positive experiences with women, for sure, I'm not hopeless with women. It is precisely because I am hopeful of finding the right person, that I think that these vetting-processes will be worth it in the end. I understand that there are plenty of fish in the sea and I am aware of certain dangerous realities surrounding certain types of women. So, the logical thing to do is to vet your options. That's it. In fact, I think that vetting for this stuff is more important than vetting for shallow shit like boob-size or whether she's a bubbly extroverted person.

@something_else 'Man bad, woman good'.

Couple of points. It's not just that you don't want to date them. It's that you want to have nothing to do with them, you want to get the fuck away from them in all contexts. They are really dangerous and manipulative women and they can wreck your life if you have any long-term relationship with them, personal or professional. They're not fundamentally evil people. Some of them are well-intentioned. They rationalize the way they feel about men as 'I can fix him'. So, they will not vet you out, because they want someone to fix. They will stick around because they want to feel morally superior to you and they want other people's sympathy because they're 'putting up with you'. These are the worst kind of women to be in relationship with because they will destroy your moral self-confidence. There will be constant criticism, constant drama and constant fighting. Also, they will wreck your social image by talking shit about you behind your back, telling them that you're a 'narcissist, abuser, creepy', etc. Some of them will even falsely accuse you or divorce you and take all your money.

The entire 'I don't need no man' crowd hates men. I have met tons of women who hate men, actually. Maybe it's a cultural difference, but here, women are very vocal about it. One of them falsely accused me and another one almost ruined my future over it. Women who hate men will do nasty things to you and you want to run as far from them as you can. Being a loving human being does not guarantee success with women, you have to also be able to spot red-flags, vet out those women and find those who are receptive to your love.

When women say that 'If you have to tell us that you're nice, you're not nice'. This is a shit-test of your moral self-confidence. For some reason, they can't stand it when you affirm your moral goodness. I am very curious as to what this reason is.

Maybe pay attention to what I say over your feelings.

Did I tell you that I care?!

In comes the voice of God, declaring to me that 'I am insecure'. Because this is really getting boring. Don't engage, then.