Akim
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My mind is sometimes just grabs on topics and think on them obsessively. Have anyone dealt with it, what would be your advice?
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In your search be humble and respect opinions of others. Learn about that thing called projection. When you read scriptures, religions or speak to people for that matter, be careful not to put your inner psychological problems on them like ancients populated the sky with constellations with meaning for them. When thing is complex, like Bible, people find lots and lots of thing in it, and many don't agree. But may be it is useful for them, hard to tell. Just keep that in mind in your research. Also keep in mind, for many people it is a dear thing.
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Akim replied to Joseph Maynor's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
How I see this video in light of the title "Is this Science or Rhetoric -- Exploring the Arrogance of Psychological Explanations". Some preliminary definitions. This comment is my narrative weaving. The guy in the video also has his narrative. Science is the narrative that holds up to very high standard of verification. Rhetoric is a technique of creating narratives so that they are more persuasive. The narrative of this guy holds up at least in that it allows him to do his job. And also allows him to provide a feeling of insight in people listening to him. It is arrogant in a sense that psychology is a handmaid of current cultural narrative. Some people in current times who are vied as damaged would be saints or god's fools and have high position in medieval times. And conversely some people who are admired now would be viewed as sinners and persecuted. Society as a whole tries to maintain a consistent narrative of reality and hold itself together. But reality is really complex, it is very hard to do that, there are infinite number of specific unique situations ans so on, so that arrogance is understandable. It doesn't mean that psychology is not useful. -
That as an interesting way to look at it. Come to think of it looks like he does focus on the negative more. Even his Easter message is somewhat sobering and a little bit tragic not joyful and happy as in traditional Christianity. But may be the current culture needs and craves it. Reminded me of: from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Campbell, who is another great researcher of myths.
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Check out Jonathan Pageau WARNING: these videos have some political, archetypal and egoic charge, be meta about it, don't let it distract you. but instead use as a guide to understand yourself and other people.
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Akim replied to sarapr's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Half of scientists now believe in God or higher power http://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/ -
Akim replied to sarapr's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I tried, as far as I can understand they are experiences extracting patterns from other experiences, symbolizing and simplifying them. -
Akim replied to sarapr's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I don't follow, why thought can't be rational, logical and reasonable even if it runs me? Those are words that describe qualities of good thoughts. -
Akim replied to sarapr's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I can try to answer from their side. What is the point of using words if they don't grab on something stable, some persistent pattern and can't be verified by other people I communicate with? There is a consistent vocabulary, way to live and view the world that was refined by many many people. Why rationalist should stop listening to scientists who have a consistent narrative and can demonstrate the result of their work in experiments and working technology? Why should they listen to some guys saying truisms that feel good? -
Akim replied to Salvijus's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
It is also traditionally often used as a sort of affirmation of how you want to change yourself, not only what you want from the outer world. For example, Prayer of St. Ephraim the Syrian: from An Explanation of the Prayer of St. Ephraim the Syrian: the whole text -
Several suggestions, may be some of them will work for you. Accept that you have have lower threshold for negative emotion activation than most people ans so you need to be more compassionate to yourself and also more creative in finding ways to deal with it. Try to improve your social situation, cultivate bonds with good people. If you are in relationship, sex, physical touch can help. If you are not you can go to massage or something like that. Try some bath or other raw body experiences like that. Find small or big things that make you feel more happy, confident, in control and do them. Try to face and become more conscious of the problems that you have without repeated negative thoughts. Try to look at them from different angles, think what can you improve in your situation. Try to act in opposite of negative feeling. If you avoid something, it can reinforce negative pattern in your brain, if you approach it and survive negative pattern becomes weaker. If you are stuck in negative loop think something like "OK, this is bad, but it is no good to think how bad is it, it is better to think what are the solutions or things in other areas that I can do to improve my overall situation". Walk outside, preferably in nature, if you can. Meditate, for example loving kindness meditation If you are religious may be prayer can help. Try to verbalize something that bothers you, write it down. May be you can do something about it. Or you can let go, you can try to burn the paper down it or destroy in other way and see if it helps. Build routines, so that you can go through your day and have a good one without having to make too much decisions. Have meaningful rituals in your day, to give it structure. Consume wholesome information. It may be stupid like https://www.reddit.com/r/wholesomememes/ and also it is not stupid if it works or you can watch some comedy, try older movies, I personally find many of them calmer and warmer. Try fiction books. Avoid information that is not helpful to you. It may be news, resentful negative memes, nihilistic relativistic philosophy and so on.
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Seeing this thread is making me reconsider the value of debate but I will post it anyway. I get that if you cling to a set of concepts as absolute truth or trust every word of some person this is going to severely limit your growth. But what is wrong with hierarchies? He is not advocating corrupt third word system where there are slaves, lower cast or your worth is nothing and you have no rights if you are not politically connected or rich. On the contrary he says it is a bloody miracle that in some developed countries all individuals are supposed to have equal rights. How hard it is to build such a society and people should be grateful to live in it and take responsibility for it's maintenance, constant revitalization and development. What he is saying is that some things are better than others. There is hierarchy of values. There is good and bad. And some good can be better than other good. Like in the video about hierarchies in the beginning of the thread he says that speech, vision and ability to confront terrible unknown is at the top of hierarchy. What is wrong in prioritizing some things over others? Also what is wrong with competition? If a person is good in creating a Youtube channel that helps people he gets money, recognition and higher status for that. People admire and want to emulate him and his opinion is valued more that a stranger you encounter. People like Peterson and Leo compete with each other in a place of Youtube for views and their outcome is different. What is wrong with that? Are those dangerous controversial ideas? That there are hierarchies, that some things are better and some are worse? That some people are better at something and some are worse at it? He is not saying that competition and hierarchy is always the guiding principle. Mother can love all her children unconditionally and help all of them regardless of their success, and that is great. Inequalities of outcome lead to hoarding of opportunities by some people, and it is not a good thing, world as a whole is worse because of that. And people lower in the hierarchy rightly feel injustice and have nothing to loose so it leads to violence and instability. But it is not clear what to do about it, how we can tune and improve a complex societal system without it breaking. We should be careful instead of calling for revolution and violent redistribution. People tried that, it didn't work. What is wrong with disagreeableness? Isn't is good to stand up to yourself and be assertive? Isn't it good to challenge people ideas? That is how ideas get stronger. It is good to have your ideas get dismantled, may be a little bit ego hurt, but may be it is a good thing, it is probably too coddled anyway. People help each other improve their knowledge graph. What is wrong with intelligent debate for that? It is easier than self inquire, other people are probably more motivated to dismantle your knowledge graph than you and they have ideas new to you. I get there are trolls that just enjoy sowing mutual hate and other negative emotions. But should we give up all debate because of them? They may want to live in hell they are creating, but most people don't and it is our responsibility to not give up and make things right.
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I would love to hear a good case for relationships too. There is a lot of work and investment involved. When I was younger I cared, but was not very successful, now I don't care much. I thought that I was porn addicted and that screwed my psychology. So I quit porn. Life is much calmer and pleasant without erotic stimulation. I suppose it is good to have a close understanding friend, but I didn't really feel deep connection with girls I talked. Also I live in a concept bubble different from them, we care about different things.
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He is not. This lazy fluff is slacking off his meditation routine.
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Akim replied to Spinoza's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
As I understand it, not having a lot experience myself, in normal consciousness there is somewhat persistent set of experiences/interpretations that frame the world as (active subject)/(objects to operate with). When it is subdued it looks like there are just experiences. Also something like "all separations are arbitrary and everything is just flowing interconnected one".