Razard86

Haven't seen you in a while welcome back!!! Ahhh that wonderful word balance...how doth thou eluded those who pursue thee the most.

I'm not an expert on schizophrenia so I won't pretend to be. But I would take a guess that saying mystical experiences are largely positive in nature is again based on a perspective. For example some people say there are no bad trips, because they choose to see each experience in a positive light. I'd take a venture the one deciding whether something is positive or not is the person going through the experience itself.

Guilt is denial of what is true. What is true is you were never guilty. Your higher self will never judge you, judgment only resides in the ego. Your human self is born empty handed and dies empty handed. So there is no value in any of those things you listed outside of the value you place on them. So do them at your own pace, and adjust your standards to fit where you are. You are worthy of love from yourself. You are complete. No accomplishment will ever define you, its a hard lesson you will learn. No accomplishment will ever make you feel complete. Now with that said it is important to keep the promises you make to yourself so choose things you know you want to do and slightly choose more challenging things gradually over time.

... an awakening cannot be conceptual. But don't worry, if you do have a mystical experience....you will realize that lol.

Very well written post. Informative, historical, good narrative. I'm more concerned about the economic state of Millennials when they hit retirement age.

Again like I said earlier none of these changes will be long lasting. Think of this as the last fight of a dying beast. The generation in power determines the laws. All the people doing this are not the millennials, once the millennials take office in all of the major branches all of these things are going to be overturned so I don't even care. Its the money problems that is going to be more of an issue for this country.

Hmmm this is an interesting question. You said you don't believe psychiatrists are in the business of ontological truths.... That would be an interesting question. I think some of them do and obviously some don't. Pretty interesting subject. I'd argue JP's argument and others similar to him would believe ontological truth is only as true as our ability to map it, measure it, and track it over time.

I plead the 5th your honor

I agree I have heard the same thing. 24/7 I wonder how their sleep is like?

Its still called a game... inner game, outer game, mind game, the game of life, the flow, the zone, the vibe, the moment, zen, yoga, attraction, whatever you wanna call it, the process, its all game. Hell there is an NBA player named Joel Embiid his NICKNAME is "The Process." So yeah its all game.

The denial is strong with you..... its amazing actually. All I'm doing is showing you what you stated and its like a deer in headlights. Also projection again saying I don't like you, when did I say that? If you do not see the level of projection you are doing I don't know what to tell you. You keep making a lot of assumptions about what people are thinking. I think you are a very creative and bright user on this forum and I'm a fan of that thread you have called "I've encountered a spirit and it's living with me." Ask me anything and any advice? Majority of people on this forum actually care about Jordan Peterson. If they didn't they would not be commenting on this forum. You have been mischaracterizing a lot of people on this thread when I can see love they have for him. The OP himself admires JP I also complimented him many times but for some reason you are taking people's disappointment in JP as if they are disappointed in you. Nobody is perfect, not me, not you, and not JP. He isn't above following his own advice. The very things he told the Muslims, he should do himself.

I came across this a while back. I hope it helps.

When did I dispute this? My whole premise is society pretty much labels people and people sadly believe said labels. Never said there was an objective measurement that was the whole reason I linked those videos. They can't really figure out how to measure behavior that is considered deviant. All concepts are made up. The language we speak is made up. Pointing out that it is made up is not abandoning it no more than me pointing out that language is made up. Anthropologists say that race is a social construct and it doesn't exist. But if you asked them if in society it exists they would say yes. Copernicus said the Earth rotated around the Sun but society told him he was wrong and jailed him. This is what I am saying. In my reality (which is my personal bubble) mental illness doesn't exist. But in society's bubble those who believe in it that will be their reality. I cannot deny that someone's reality feels real to them, but I can tell them if they change their beliefs and consider an alternative perspective that could change. At this point we are just arguing interpretations and intentions. What's the famous saying? Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. JP was used as an example along with another professional to show that within their own field they don't even know. You have a neuroscientist who says it doesn't exist a psychologist who says it doesn't exist and Jordan Peterson who says it exists but they don't even know how to measure or test for it and that its very vague and interlaps. They are pretty much just making up labels (making it up as they go) and the more you study that field you will realize that. They have no clue what they are really doing, and it is very hard to find someone in the field who is effective. There are those who have made great strides in the field but most in the field are confused because the subject is still in its infancy even after all these decades. For example there has only been recent breakthroughs in dealing with narcissim, for decades they thought it was impossible to cure. Guess what the most promising treatment is? Something called Cold Therapy where you reintroduce the patient to the childhood trauma that stunted their ego development and made them a narcissist. What did I say earlier mental illness is? Resistance to what is...its fear. All fear. Humanity will eventually transcend mental illness collectively when they can eliminate their fear. May take a couple hundred years.

Thank you, I would never intentionally deny the emotions (well try not to, I'm not perfect) of those who struggle with mental illness. The reason I say its not a thing because we make it out to be some permanent thing. Outside of structural or chemical abnormalities (which I still think collectively humanity will eventually figure that out as well) we can very much eradicate mental illness. The experiences people who suffer with mental illness exists, I'd be a fool to say otherwise. But I'd be a fool to say that we don't right now have the tools to completely heal all those who suffer from mental illness because we do. Right now the tools exist but they aren't mainstream so....this will set us back decades until either mainstream science eventually changes or society changes. The reason I say stuff like it doesn't exist because how they define it...that doesn't exist. Mental Health is real, but how modern science defines it they label it like its some permanent malady you are stuck with and tern you into a victim.

Are you the OP's spokesman? Do I need to make an appointment?

He who asks questions controls the conversation, a friend of mine taught me that and he is very good at it. So asking questions with a genuine desire to understand another's perspective is a way to control the conversation. Its counter-intuitive because you would think asking questions is giving up control but it is a form of control because you direct the flow of where the conversation leads with questions, while building trust through being able to understand the perspective of the person. We grow closer to people we identify with (see ourselves in a positive light) We get annoyed by people we identify with (see ourselves in a negative light). The aim is to do the former but the latter also works....it is just more confrontational/conflict oriented.

As you continue to use the very dichotomy you deny to deny said dichotomy. You also said you don't care about my word salad....while taking the time to respond to said word salad. So many contradictions.....thank you for showing you care by responding even though you don't realize it.

Interesting...I see myself doing that a lot. Something I need to work on.....

Here I'll help you so you can't deny it. Here is the whole quote. I put it in bold for you. I was gonna leave you alone but since you want to accuse me of misquoting you I will make it easier for you. There is no context to be given. You literally said "I can clearly see the hate in how you write, and how others who hate JP write their opinions of him. I ain't got time for that, as I'm busy with my life purpose, and so should you. Go work your LP instead of JP complaining." 1. Who are you to tell others what they should be doing? 2. You are not following your advice. 3. You are now engaging in the same behavior as Jordan Peterson which is.....not following your own advice.

It doesn't matter if it says my name...again I copy and pasted what you wrote. There was no misquote. You still aren't following your advice. You said you were too busy working on your LP and that I should do the same (which is you giving me orders) which you aren't doing. On the main page currently it is showing you have posted in the most topics currently....so the next question would be...is this your LP?

I'm responding to people who asked me questions directly not to the OP.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/03/24/how-a-west-african-shaman-helped-my-schizophrenic-son-in-a-way-western-medicine-couldnt/ I believe again that Western Science is confused. I believe many people with schizophrenia would probably be trained to be mystics or shamans in ancient cultures. They would probably have the proper environment to integrate these experiences. https://digitalcollections.sit.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=2851&context=isp_collection If you live in a fear based culture that demonizes these experiences then of course you would imitate or view these experiences as crazy and think something is wrong with you. Spirituality is all about surrendering to what is. Once you can accept something is when you can finally see something for what it is, not your fears or projections. Mental Illness is just society's projections of fear of what they don't understand. No different than racism, sexism, ageism, and whatever other isms and phobias you want to put in there. Its why its so hard for those in the West (me included) to pursue and integrate Spiritual experiences because we are conditioned that these things are bad.

1. You can conceptualize anything. in 1972 homosexuality was listed in the DSM. So just cause a group of people says something exists, and creates a concept doesn't validate it. Currently Science cannot even properly conceptualize strategies to explain the brain, it is still considered the new frontier. Many of these scientists still think consciousness is some phenomena with the brain. The fact that people on this forum are open-minded enough to believe that...but yet still think mental illness is a thing is beyond the pale. 2.I never abandoned mental illness as a concept, as I recognize that people believe it and as long as they believe it exists in their direct experience it will. That's how all of reality works, it is filtered by your beliefs. If you track human progress it only begins when you doubt the status quo, take personal ownership of what you believe and research and seek the truth for yourself instead of relying on Authority Figures to tell you what is real. You are the ultimate authority in your life, and your reality serves you. It serves you, I don't know how many times I have to keep saying this. All the evidence is around that proves that your beliefs create your reality. 3. The concept of materialism exists, is it useful? Anything can be useful, anything can be practical. I don't care about practical or usefulness, I only care about what is true. There are literally people who can heal themselves through visualization, and focused attention on thoughts and emotions. By putting themselves in congruence they perform things that medical science cannot explain. So if people are able to do these things, by showing that many medical issues are a result of belief systems, traumas/fears, which impact how the body functions. For example if you are angry long enough, your body starts producing poisons. So the medical model of labeling someone as having a disorder and drugging them is a rampant issue which is also related to some mass shootings as many of the same young males who are doing these shootings were put on medication for ADHD or ADD at a young age. Now with that said I'm not saying to abandon medical science or there institutions because at the end of the day you have to meet people where they are at. As long as a person believes in the materialist paradigm when it comes health, they will need to be treated under those conditions. But anyone who thinks because that is where the status quo is, that means that's reality speak for yourself. In my direct experience I have transcended all their so called models because I knew it was illusion. The illusion makes you give up your authority and see yourself as a victim and thus reality serves you and gives you exactly that. I am about self-empowerment and everyone realizing the power they have within.

Its definitely possible but growth is a process. Wanting to be there already is ego, ego is always coming up with stories about where to go, what to do, and what to be. How you know you are in ego is whenever you are focused on anything besides the present moment, when you are dealing with labels, ideologies, opinions, and arguing about which is better or worse. Ego always has an opinion, and thinks it knows. Your true self has no opinion, it just is, and it accepts everything because it recognizes everything is what it is. Your true self doesn't believe in limits, it doesn't believe in ego, it imagines all this to experience the contrast of what it naturally is. So be patient with yourself, love yourself, accept yourself, and accept your pain. The Spiritual Path can be boiled down to two things. 1. Acceptance to what is, no matter the experience. 2. And facing the unknown/relinquishing control. If you can embody these two concepts everyday you are doing fine.

I quoted you properly I copy and pasted what you told me. You have a lot of denial in you. Wayyyy to much denial. And you are still here posting after saying you don't have enough time because you are working on your LP. And I'm not criticizing you, again more projection. I'm merely showing you what you are typing and you are reacting to your own image. I'm watching this in real time and it is actually really profound. All I have to do is quote you and your ego takes over.....you aren't even noticing this....