Razard86

Depends on how you look at it, everything is a tool. Remember what I mentioned? Baptism was used to do it, the Sun Dance etc. So technically its fair game, it just it doesn't fit your preference. It doesn't fit my preference either which is why I said I'm not advocating it, but just because I don't prefer it doesn't mean its not fair game. Also he said he didn't do it so that's cool, but Spirituality is all about embracing everything, and eliminating all fears and boundaries. So when that is understood...whatever tool you use is up to you. I wouldn't do it, but hey if it gets the job done for some people that's their call. My advice would be to use means that don't involve high risk of bodily harm.

I had this thought years ago and it is based on how you look at it. Manipulation= control. Over years and years of this word being used the definition in relation to social situations has changed to mean something deceptive or dishonest. Influence which is a form of control has been used as the positive form of control. Here is what Merriam-Webster defines manipulation. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/manipulate So currently its basically the dark form of control and influence is the light form of control. I would say this, if you act in a way that is an authentic expression of yourself and is not self-serving and people like how you express yourself then that would be influence. But if you do something for the purposes of getting something from others whether its praise, attention, money, etc. then its manipulation. With this in mind we are all guilty of manipulation and even the most honest of us still probably manipulate in small subtle ways we are not even aware of. For example you may give a fake smile when someone greets you as a social pleasantry. In one vain you could say, well where is the harm? The harm is it isn't an authentic expression, you are doing it to be considered "civil." A lot of our social subtleties are small forms of manipulation. Alan Watts is famous for saying he only trusts people who own their rascals or basically own the dark parts of them. We should aim to act in the way Immanuel Kant says which is make people an end not a means to an end. So if you do something to make someone else feel better and it wasn't an authentic expression, I think its okay. Sometimes the authentic expression you have may cause uproar or disturbance. You have to balance authenticity and harm. The truth is the most dangerous thing in the world, even more so than a nuclear bomb, it is a sword, so you have to be careful how you wield it. That doesn't mean going around and being a people pleaser either. Each situation...calls for a different action. The greatest truth...is there is not ONE answer, there is only the answer that fits the situation.

You don't sound crazy, that breathing you are experiencing is not breath. Its life. Some like to refer to it as energy, universal energy. When your awareness starts to raise a little you start to feel more connected, and your ability to feel expands. It feel like wind or some type of force (lol Star Wars) is moving through you. Some call it Chi. or Ki.

How in the world does a man that looks as young as you in his fifties? Is this a miracle? LOL.

Doubt= fear. That's all it is. You doubt because of fear. You doubt it because if you believe it you die. You don't want to die. Understand this...your ego is very intelligent. Your ego knows what it means if there is only a present and no past or future, it means you have no self. It means you don't exist. It means you are actually dead right now and have never been alive. So doubt creeps in so you can still exist. You are a blank piece of paper with a stick man running on it that is finding out that he is constantly being redrawn in every moment. He thought he was just a permanent stick man but instead he is being maintained. If you accept that you are being maintained then....you realize you aren't real...so he awakens to the fact that he isn't some stable presence, he is continually being created in every moment. Every single moment you are dying and being reborn...you have already died, and have already been reborn. Everything is life and death, there is no separation. Life= self, death= no self. When you think and do you are alive. When you cease all attachments = death.

He said it, they don't watch his videos. They watch his videos, half listen and think they got it. They also only watch it once!!! You need to watch it MORE than once, then contemplate what was said. He literally said it on MORE than one video. He said DEATH is INFINITE LOVE. DEATH IS GOD. He described death as GOD'S GRACE. Do you think people remember this? NO!!! LOL. They are on the forums claiming to have gotten it and then over time they get exposed! Its so funny!!!! Then they ask him questions to which he already answered MULTIPLE TIMES!! You want him to answer everything? Then what's the point of his videos? How about ask him a question FROM HIS VIDEO? Ask him to expound on a point he made? Then maybe...he can feel he isn't wasting his time with people just asking questions he already answered. Also....if you keep relying on him to answer everything how can you actualize? Leo is a Guide....he can't travel for you. What is the point of the journey if he answers everything? Sometimes the joy is in "self discovery" of "no self" and the true nature of reality. Lastly...if you take what he says as dogma or belief....then you will never discover it. So he has to be careful with that....and I think he has already created too many dogma and believers already by being too direct in the first place.

Lol you are both the player and the character. So you have free will, your free will is to play yourself. Even imagining and pretending you have no free will is a fun game in itself. This is actually utter madness when you think about it....God is creating an infinite amount of games...to play. Wow...so profound. So God will pretend it has no free will.

Exactly...notice the infinite loop? As long as you have a desire to "help" him when he needs no help. Then you will play a game of helping him and him not wanting your help. But if you want to play this loop, this ego game, play it. Nothing wrong with either.

I'm surprised you all keep trying to "fix" him or "help" him if anything he is "helping you" and you just don't realize it. What is wrong with his negativity? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. He hasn't at one time asked for anyone's help. Have you noticed this? He is just sharing his perspective. So the person with the issue was US NOT HIM. It is our aversion, our fear and discomfort with negativity that has caused us to try to "help" him by trying to cheer him up. This is our projection onto him. We projected our fears and discomfort onto him. Why did we assume he is not enjoying this whole ordeal? If he wasn't why would he be sharing it? Is he evil? No!!! He loves this crap, and all he wants to do is share his love for negativity with all of us. That's it!! Its so simple. So embrace Holykael, especially for illuminating your shadow, your fear of negative thoughts and emotions. I embrace his negativity and accept him as he is. You should too, because he is YOU.

You can't make this stuff up if you tried. Holykael= realize the depth of "darkness" consciousness is capable of. puporing= consciousness is moving and leading itself toward the light. We are witnessing that in this very thread. One wants everyone to realize the depth of darkness of consciousness =Holy Kael And one wants to move and lead all discussions of consciousness towards the light. =puporing. So cool, so funny, a beautiful mirror.

Well everything serves a purpose originally I was getting mad at Holykael for torturing himself but then I realized....that was just me getting mad at myself. So I must accept the part of me that houses negative thoughts and plays the victims. To play victim is to be a masochist, and a sadist all at the same time. To be both the victim and the abuser both at the same time. So Holykael is just abusing himself and enjoying it and he wants to share the joy of his self-abuse with others. Once you realize this is the case, then you realize you shouldn't feel sorry for him, because he is just doing what he loves. So in that case where is the problem? There is none.

Its an interesting read for sure, check it out if it interests you. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190218-are-we-on-the-road-to-civilisation-collapse

Lol this was kind of funny. Two Thumbs up!!!

It is actually, do you know what baptism is? Do you know what the sun dance was? Lol. Spiritual practices are dangerous, they are intimately connected with the concept of death. There is a reason they were esoteric and are very taboo in modern society. Now I'm not advocating it, but yeah Spirituality isn't some walk in the park its like having sex with the concept of annihilation. A surrender of all, including your desire to exist.

You cannot have appearance without awareness. I really do not think you understand at all. You keep tying awareness to some story. If you lost the ability to construct a story, were mute, had no voice in your head and you were just a screen with things happening....then you are aware. If you were not aware...YOU COULD NOT TELL US ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW. You are literally REPORTING BACK which means... YOU WERE AWARE. This is beyond the pale at this point you are engaged in word games. If there is no awareness then there is no memory, which means...you would have no RECORD of the experience to report it.

Thanks man, I'm constantly inspired by the wonderful people on this forum. You won't believe how much growth you can get from this group this place is truly a nice place to have. I want to write another story but so far no inspiration....

This is true, but the opposite is true as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_804F4K85ds&ab_channel=BestofSadhguru%26mooji

You got it. I'm glad you got it. People on the forums don't really watch his videos and want him to feed them easy answers. There is no death process. If someone shoots you....you wake up LOL.

What do you think karma is? You will experience everything because everything is you. I am noticing a habit of creating separation on the forum. What Leo says is true, if everyone is you, then yes you will experience everything....and I mean everything. You will experience even stuff you DO NOT know exist. Everything in its totality. There is no separation so stop separating. So Alien life? Yes. A grain of sand? Yes. Whatever form awareness takes that is what you will take and you are already doing it RIGHT NOW. RIGHT FREAKING NOW.

Not sure I'd have to look it up, but it certainly felt like I ingested a toxin.

Flesh? Mind elaborating?

Yeah but the irony of embodying God, is anti-survival. The closer you get to embodying God, the closer you get to death. Enlightened Masters are the walking dead. This is no joke. They have destroyed all separation. The irony is, if you accomplish this, your life actually becomes more vibrant. Everything looks brand new. As if you were BORN AGAIN. I got a taste of this after my car accident when my body was weakened. The closer you get to death....the higher your awareness becomes. My vision improved, smelling, tasting, I became more loving, it was hilarious how paradoxical it all was. When my body healed? I returned to baseline. But that glimpse showed me something I will never forget. Suddenly what Jesus said made perfect sense. You have to be willing to sacrifice your limited sense of self, and die to self, to enter nirvana. But that means....annihilation of a separate self. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGpYE-FZRhA&t=4244s&ab_channel=Actualized.org All of life...is the opposite of what you think. Reality does not fit human logic. You cannot map it out as anything one thing...its everything. If you really study life in its totality...all you discover is its circular. It always comes full circle. Every single thing comes full circle. Notice everything is a cycle. The Cell Cycle, the moon cycle. Why? Because its ONE. There is no distinction. Evil=Good. Good=Evil. Light=Dark. Nothing=Everything. Strong=Weak. I can do this forever. So the only way to believe in distinction...is to believe in illusion and delusion. And the funny thing is....since you are God...whatever you believe IS ALWAYS TRUE. Because you are the source. This means there are no mistakes, there is no right way, or wrong way. This is the ultimate secret of life....most could never handle this truth.

I love your obsession with me. Keep being my mirror. We are one and the same after all. I guess you love to play with yourself.

This is what happens to people's worldview when they have been scarred. They start promoting and thinking like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAqZ13Q9zQ0&t=5s&ab_channel=AnthonyspadeReaction This is one of the videos that helped me escape the Red Pill when I started to realize it was just a cry for love, pain causes those to reject the notion that love exists which is paradoxically a cry for love. Anytime you see someone claim the world is evil, or cruel, or that love doesn't exist, they are actually wishing from the bottom of their heart that they had love. Your "world" is just your POV. So when you say the "world" you are just saying your "life." Doesn't matter if the rest of the world experiences love, if you don't you will perceive it as unloving. This is the nature of how the human psyche works. https://www.mind-your-reality.com/everyone-is-your-mirror.html This is why it is said Life/Death is a Cosmic Joke...you have only ever feared your reflection.

I've been stolen from not once not twice, but 4 times by a person. The person is truly unconscious. I have experimented with dealing with these types and confirmed through direct experience that everything Leo said about them is true. I'm living proof. Besides I'm no saint, that person who stole from me facilitated the end of one of my friendships. It was an important moment for me because it revealed a shadow an insecurity I had that was the cause of me destroying that friendship through my fear of criticism. I basically became a devil in that moment but in that moment I felt I was "right" and the other person was wrong and that they were a "devil" and I was protecting myself. In retrospect I can see that I THOUGHT at the time what I was doing was right. So I got to see both sides. With distance I now see I am no different, the evil inside me is inside all. As long as you think others are bad, you will be bad. You cannot escape this, nobody is more intolerable and blind than a moralist, a saint, a person who sees division. By the level you see a difference between others, is the level of justification you will have for ill treatment. The hardest thing to do is love. Its why its so valuable, and those who have that strength are so admired. You think it was an accident that Jesus is the most popular person in human history? You think its by accident that Sadhguru has so many followers? The Mystics, the Matyrs are always more powerful than the Dictators, the kings and queen. One uses force to gain control and the other uses love to empower.