Razard86

You might be right my brother.

There are no 10's every culture has their own standard of beauty. Your standard of what a 10 has been conditioned into you. Based on your level of consciousness will determine what you find beautiful. If you reach a more expanded state of consciousness you will view everything as a 10. All preferences are just delusions. Nothing wrong with that but it is pure fantasy.

I have permanent awakeness. LOL awoke once....I am permanently awoken. I don't experience separation at all. I experience everything as myself the entire time. I have said this many times, but your corrupted closed mind has ignored this. You don't have any openness all you have is resistance.

When you are awake, all delusion is revealed. Based on what he said if the quote is to be revealed...reveals he isn't awake. Any deviation from Absolute Solipsism is delusion. There is only ONE. The ONE is appearing to be many, but the many is the illusion. This truth cannot be defeated, cannot be disproven, it is the most obvious of the obvious. To deny this truth is just pure delusion. Absolute Infinity= Absolute Infinite Delusion. Oneness= It was One the entire time. At the end of your deluded dream you will be floating in a void. That void goes on forever in infinite directions and whatever thoughts you think will manifest instantly. You can already do this right now by closing your eyes and rendering images. Traditional Spirituality is too poetic and its a trap to get you caught in delusion. Instead of doubting...investigate.

Great Post!! Loved reading every minute of it!

All Ego, there is no difference between anything. So nobody is supposed to be doing anything. Every single response in this thread was just personal preference being expressed. How deluded you gotta be to not notice this? Yet you speak it as if it's absolutely true...lol. I got people thanking me in personal messages and got people here complaining lol. Can't please everyone.

When you truly wake up in the dream and enter a state of God Consciousness you can walk outside and literally make things disappear. This includes people. You can literally phase people in and out of existence, and you can freeze time. You can freeze a person and walk up to them and tap them on the shoulder AND THEY WON'T MOVE!!! You know how a video game designer can enter administrator mode to check for bugs? Well you can enter Administrator mode as well with this Dream you call life. Now none of these changes you play around with will be permanent but IT IS POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO HAVE THIS EXPERIENCE and PROVE TO YOURSELF THAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY GOD. This is why I laugh when I see your petty little attempts to deny Absolute Solipsism its funny as hell. You have no idea how deluded you are. You are completely and infinitely deluded and it is funny as hell. You are like a child playing a VR game that you built, and forgot you built it and you put one of the characters in your game (Leo and Razard86) to tell you that you built the game and can enter Administrator mode and you argue with the characters who you PUT IN THE GAME TO WAKE YOU UP!!! It's hilarious!!! I can't even stop laughing at this!!! You could turn this into a Pixar Movie!!! God refuses to believe its God Part 1!!!!

Yes it solves all problems actually. Because when you argue with your girlfriend, you are arguing with yourself. I will give this example to show you how stupid all conflict is, this will actually make you laugh when you get it. This is what you are actually doing....except you make your girl friend appear different than you. Your personality is a limited expression of your total infinite expression. So how you fool yourself is you make yourself a unique expression of logic and creativity and vice versa for her. You make her appear different than you by many factors and then you think you are talking to an other. This is why all conflict is delusion because in actuality....this above video is what you are doing. So BE NICE TO YOURSELF!!! LOL.

8 months of introspection and contemplation after full non-awakened understanding then it only took 3 trips and probably only 2-3 months of daily meditation. But I have tripped about 4 times total but I was already awake by the 4th trip. In those months I meditated like 10-12 hours every day. I discovered how corrupted human spirituality is with ancient dogma and discovered how much human spirituality lacks self-love. This is why I keep telling you guys, watch Leo's video on Self-Love and judge EVERY teaching on that principle. This includes every Spiritual Teacher's teaching including Leo, Jesus, Buddha, anything I or anybody posts on this forum etc. You guys waste your time arguing with Leo. The ONLY argument you should have with Leo is if anything he says is a violation of Self-Love. If it doesn't violate Self-Love, then SHUT YO GOT DAMN MOUTH. Why? Because a couple of things. 1. Leo is actually awake. 2. If you study his words carefully nothing he says actually violates the Spiritual Teachings of Others. He is just MORE DIRECT than them because they water it down so they can make money. He literally tells you this in his Solipsism video but if you REALLY contemplate what is being described you will notice he doesn't contradict them. 3. So if Leo is saying the SAME THING, LOOK for SAMENESS or ONENESS in his teachings. Don't look for differences. Looking for differences is what the ego does which creates conflict and distortion. Osho was awake, Jesus was awake, Sadhguru is awake, Rupert Spira is awake, Mooji is awake. So look at how their teachings compliment each other. While doing this...really contemplate what Self-Love is. All the people I just mentioned above have biases. Leo has biases, I have biases, Osho has biases, Jesus had biases, Sadhguru has biases, Spira and Mooji has biases. Their biases are going to corrupt their teachings. What is the bias? When they say ANYTHING is BAD. 4. You might say then why do I criticize the No Self awakening. The No Self awakening is a relative teaching that is designed for you to realize you are not the body. It serves that purpose. But NOTICE the No-Self awakening says...I AM NOT THIS. That is self-denial which means it is a corruption and delusion. Any denial of anything is corruption and delusion because Self-Love accepts everything!!! You will say but Self-Love would accept that delusion to which I will respond of course, but hatred, war, discrimination is all self-denial and it accepts that too so nice try. 5. The quality of any teaching denies NOTHING. Because....you are EVERYTHING so to deny any part of you is BULLSHIT!!! Now with that said, since many are too attached, a lot of times you have to engage in self-denial so you can BREAK your attachment. But after you break your attachment you will need to reattach yourself but now you reattach in a more expansive way. What I am talking about is addressed in this video. That is why after you say I am not this body and everything attached to it, the next awakening is all inclusive. You say instead I am not JUST this body....I am EVERYTHING!!! The everything is the SELF. The SELF is ALL-INCLUSIVE!!! To be all inclusive is to TAKE BACK YOUR AUTHORITY, YOUR ACCOUNTABILITY and realize you constructed EVERYTHING!!! When you claim something is JUST HAPPENING....that is bullshit!! YOU ARE HAPPENING!!! The HAPPENING IS YOU!!!! Saying it is just happening is like me taking a gun and shooting you and when the police say how did he die? I respond....a gunshot just happened....they will respond WHO did it? You be like....gunshot just happened.....that's bullshit!!! Notice that Spiritual People who are delusional feed you bullshit!!! Close your eyes...imagine you are a criminal. Imagine a victim walking and then the criminal shot him!!! Was all that just a happening? Or did YOU construct the entire thing in your mind and MAKE IT HAPPEN!!! Notice in your direct experience.... YOU MADE IT HAPPENING because everything in that scenario WAS YOU!!!! So I just proved to you in your direct experience that NO-Self awakening is BULLSHIT!!! They told you...reality is a DREAM!!! It works EXACTLY LIKE A DREAM!!! Your human imagination is equivalent to reality!!! It just appears like it isn't. All limitation is JUST an appearance and THIS is how you fool yourself. Wanna unfool yourself? Play around with your imagination using the teachings and you will understand how you are fooling yourself!!! All awakening is....is realizing how you are fooling yourself!! That's it!!! These two videos on Youtube are the most direct pointers on Youtube. Also in your direct experience try to disprove Oneness but actually try to disprove it not intellectually, use the dream example again. In your imagination try to create an actual division outside of you. What you will realize, is a true division has never been in your experience. If something was truly separated from you...you couldn't experience it. If you ever experience anything then by default it HAS TO BE YOU. So what are you? A Mind. You are a MIND that becomes aware of itself when it dreams. This mind can appear and disappear. The ONLY MYSTERY of GOD is how the hell it can dissappear and appear. God is aware it is doing it, but it doesn't know HOW it is doing it....because there is no mechanism. You can do that right now. Imagine a basketball. How are you doing it? Science doesn't know. Science can only describe the process, it doesn't know what causes it. That's because it can never be known. So it just happens.....but YOU are doing it you just don't know how, but you are AWARE that it is you and you are doing it. So it can be said that YOU just happen and are aware you are happening. But that happening...is just an appearance made of nothing.

The only paradox is Absolute Infinity. Paradox comes from relativity. Paradox exists because there is only One Being. Really think about that. Once you understand that then what I said makes perfect sense. Duality is a delusion. This means Duality is FALSE!!! This means Relativity is FALSE!! This means the 3D world different appearances is false. This means identity is false. This means separation is false. This means all conflict is stupidity. This means only agreement and cooperation is intelligent. Really think about this. There is ONE BEING, APPEARING TO BE MANY!!! Understand that reality has perfect self-acceptance, perfect self-agreement, is not in conflict with itself EVER. What is being presented here CANNOT be understood intellectually. Even if you were to grasp it intellectually that would not be real understanding. Why? Because I could tell you that and a burgular could come and kill someone you care about and then you would call BULLSHIT. See? What is being presented is something that transcends your egoic perspective. The best way to understand what is being presented is this....J.K. Rowling is the God of Harry Potter. She loves the world of Harry Potter and all its characters. But the characters in the world if they ever got to talk to her about the world....they would complain from their perspective that the world is hard and dangerous. They would argue from their selfish perspective for things to go more the way they want it too, and not the way the author of the entire world of Harry Potter wants it too. What they don't realize is the world of Harry Potter was made out of love. J.K. Rowling loved herself and her thoughts so much she wanted to share it. So she constructed a world, the world of Harry Potter. Then she wanted to share that world she constructed in her own world so she publicized it. Notice how many people love her world? Lol. But if you asked the characters in said world who had to suffer...they would say a different tune.

Been recently given messages from those on the forums who are starting to understand what is being communicated so I'm glad. I was so ready to just throw in the towel but it's good to be reminded there are those who value truth and aren't here playing around. The passion I exude for this you cannot understand but I will give you an analogy. How would you feel if you were surrounded by poor people and you won the lottery and figured out how to help them all win the lottery? You constantly communicate to them how to do it and because of their arrogance they fight you on the methodology of winning it even though the truth is if you don't get the methodology exactly right you won't get the winning lottery ticket? Even worse you were able to be taught by those who won it previously and so you know all the traps or misunderstandings that a person being taught can fall in. Similar to how sometimes a teacher will pair a student who understands the lesson with a student who doesn't because they are closer to the students frame of reference and can simplify it often times in a way that is more easily understood than the teacher can. But you as the student who lacks understanding resist the guidance of the student who mastered the teacher's lesson. Hell you even reject the lesson of the teacher. Notice this....right now your baseline level IS NOT awake. YOU KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE. So why the hell are you arguing about the framing of something? What does that serve you? If you have a teacher who claims he is awakened and you have decided to listen...then why not take what is being given and investigate it to see if its true? Arguing from a non-awakened state with an awakened person on whether what they are saying is true is a waste of time. What you SHOULD be doing, which is what I did is ask questions and try to UNDERSTAND what they are saying and then seek to verify if it's true. If they are wrong you will DISCOVER that they are wrong!!! This is what REAL SCIENCE, REAL TRUTH seeking is!!! You investigate AFTER full understanding if what is being presented IS THE TRUTH!!! But no!!! Many of you sit down and philosophize, that is NOT TRUTH!!! That is just delusion and fantasy!!! You haven't verified anything!!! You haven't investigated anything!!! This is you. You talk about how you feel about something....and the awakened person sees the problem in PLAIN SIGHT....lol!!!! You deny the very issue you are trying to solve!!! You have no idea how funny it is to an awakened person to see you non-awakened people acting like this!!! This video is literally how you all look!!! ALL OF YOU!! It's why an awakened person only has to read what you write and they IMMEDIATELY KNOW if you are awake or not. Because it's obvious. Anyway....I'll just remember that some will come by who actually want truth and they will investigate and eventually break through and get to enjoy the gift of unlimited imagination of realizing that your human imagination is really the ABSOLUTE pretending to not be the ABSOLUTE and will thus make the ABSOLUTE their baseline realm of experience.

Lol I appreciate it. I just want everyone who actually wants to awaken to awaken so they can enjoy the fullness of their imagination. Since I awoke I have only been able to touch the surface of what is possible. I might need to research visualization practices because once you awaken your human mind becomes the Absolute and opens you up to an entire new realm of experience that you would have never thought possible without the use of psychedelics. Awakening literally changes your biology. The doors of your perception completely changes, and your brain changes as well. Whole body actually down to the cellular level/microscopic.

1. You didn't trick anyone....because....who are you sharing this with? You are talking to yourself saying you tricked Leo....but the truth is....you just tricked yourself. You are literally floating in an empty void right now claiming to have tricked Leo....when Leo is you and everyone on this forum is YOU!!! So yeah...nice try.

1. Javfly33 does not live from a baseline Non-dual awakening thus everything above is just sophistry. 2. God CAN be pointed to, all that God is AWARE OF, IS GOD. 3. ONLY GOD can verify it exists, it verifies it exists THROUGH creating an experience. 4. If God does not imagine the APPEARANCE of SOMETHING God will NOT BE AWARE IT EXISTS. Only someone who has broken through and lives from the Non-Dual Awareness soberly will know this. Close your eyes...see that black screen? That is GOD. Here a sound? That is God. All perception that is created is just awareness verifying it exists through SELF-RECOGNITION, which is SELF-KNOWLEDGE. Use direct experience to verify everything I am stating here. Talking on the forums is a waste of time. Get the basics, and then do the work. Just remember....Javfly33 is NOT AWAKE. His posts will only confuse you. To put it in perspective the NO SELF awakening is primary school stuff borne from the ego's attachment to its body as itself. Because it cannot let go of that framework it gets stuck on trying to frame things from a self-denial aspect. The Self-Denial aspect was to get you to lose attachment to your human identity and everything that goes with it. To put this in perspective....I SKIPPED the NO SELF awakening...because I was NEVER attached to any notions that I was human. You don't need a NO-SELF awakening, the only awakening you need is to realize you are ONE with everything. You are awareness, awareness is NOTHING, it just APPEARS to be SOMETHING and it is really convincing but all it is....is just an APPEARANCE. If you want some exercises I can give some as I have found even more direct pointers than what is traditionally been used. Human spirituality traditionally actually overcomplicates things with poetry when the TRUTH is literally IN PLAIN SIGHT. It's so obvious its actually TOO OBVIOUS.

First of all I love your signature, I would go deeper into your signature in saying what is being shaped is our perspective because we were already perfectly suited the problem was our perspective/lens. Also everything currently being done could be said to be a distraction since God needs nothing. But I would say what brings it worth is when pursued for the benefit of the whole versus for the benefit of the individual which obviously you were alluding to. Selfishness= Pure stupidity. It is a perspective of limited perspective. It cannot see past it's own perspective and doesn't understand interconnectivity. It is a perspective of resistance, and INSISTENCE that it's perspective is the only valid perspective. Selflessness is lack of resistance, and the absence of insistence, and is the only perspective that has any clarity. But the issue many in the Spiritual path fall into...is to demonize selfishness when the attainment of anything is a selfish pursuit. Attainment can only be pure stupidity when it is devoid of the clarity of the lens of selflessness. Because selflessness is the only perspective which recognizes what the TRUE SELF IS and thus is given the gift of absolute clarity= Self Knowledge.

I agree about the nihilism part but only because it doesn't even make sense....how can you truly be depressed....about your own mind. But the alone part...I'd say that is an intepretation or framing. Because technically you could say you are alone, and technically you could say you are infinitely surrounded because even the appearances are your own expression. Your current pov is a filtered expression surrounded by interconnected filtered expressions and all you realize is all those expressions combined are you....so you are surrounded by yourself from all sides....but it is experienced as a constant ever unfolding surprises. You could call the present moment of your life a surprise present that is forever unfolding. But I have realized that you need the ego to first focus on ONENESS and absolute solipsism because it is HOPE that keeps the illusion of the ego going. You can only truly enjoy delusion when you recognize it is delusion. If you thought a video game was real, you wouldn't play a lot of them. I doubt anyone here would play Dead Space if they experienced it as REAL LOL.

Because they are LIARS, you are everything. I can use light in this example. Notice they object because they want TO DISTRACT from what is being communicated here. Again...it is willful denial of the truth. To sleep= Denial of Truth To awaken= Acceptance of Truth If you have not fully awakened its because you refuse to accept what you are. People who have not been exposed to Spiritual Teachings have an excuse. But the moment you are on the Spiritual Path and have been illuminated by the teachings, your lack of awakening is COMPLETELY ON YOU!!! If you are dishonest, and cannot accept the truth of what you are...YOU WILL NEVER AWAKEN. Spiritual people who refuse to awaken are bigger hypocrites than people who have never been exposed to the truth. You have no idea how much you are blessed to even have the opportunity to actually know the truth, and you squander it. I will be leaving this forum soon, I see why people leave here because majority of you love bullshit more than truth. Only a few can accept the truth and I really cannot even understand why. So it's fine I will just accept that many of you will chase your tail for the rest of your life. It's like you are in school trying to pass the final exam and I literally give you the answer and you deny it and fail the exam repeatedly and keep wondering what the answer is even though I literally already passed the final. I keep telling you the answer and then I even tell you how to study for the answer and find it yourself and you resist both yet keep wondering how to pass. Eventually I have to just be okay with the fact that you DO NOT WANT TO PASS so that's what I will do. I will accept that majority of people in Spirituality are lying about their desire to awaken and are just completely wasting your time. They are too full of fear and lack of self-love because they lived a life of loving lies over truth and are unskillful in the way of truth. I guess discernment is a rarer skill than I previously thought. It is probably the rarest skill on the planet. You know what it makes sense actually. Discernment is the highest expression of Self-Love and that is why it is the rarest skill ever.

happening is not a synonym to being. Being doesn't need to happen. Being just is. That is the problem with you guys and why yall get confused because you keep using indirect methods to understand something. What you don't realize is indirectness, is delusion. The source of all confusion and delusion is indirectness. Have you NOT noticed that duality is INDIRECT? It has time, it has space, and it uses the APPEARANCE of mechanisms!!! Reality in actuality is completely direct and therefore it requires NO MECHANISMS!!! But because you guys like to communicate in INDIRECT WAYS you will CONFUSE yourselves!! And since you don't understand what it means to be absolute infinity you continue this nonsense. Absolute Infinity represents God's ability to DELUDE ITSELF!! So if you are NOT DIRECT you can literally confuse yourself in ABSOLUTE INFINITE WAYS!!!! God can ONLY UNDELUDE itself by focusing on the fact that it is one!!! Because that absolute infinity... IS JUST A FREAKING APPEARANCE!!! But you all just WILLFULLY CHOOSE TO BE IGNORANT!!! I am frustrated because no matter how many times I show you all you WILLFULLY deny. Why use synonyms when there are more direct methods....because you all love delusions, and delusions are LIES. So you guys love lies, and that is why you don't understand and cannot find TRUTH.

Lol they will you put that Solipsism video up on Youtube. I don't know what that would do to your personal life though....

Hey Kids guess what? Kids: What? Neo Advaita is Bullshit Kids: Ohhhh bad word!!! Here me out kids For something to happen you would need time....which is the measurement of progression but time doesn't exist. For something to happen you would need a space for it to happen within and space doesn't exist. Kids: I'm confused Doesn't matter just go along with the process....so if time and space doesn't exist....then nothing can happen... Kids: I think so Exactly and this is why Neo Advaita statement of this is happening....and that is happening...is complete and utter bullshit!!! Next one.... if you hear a voice....and recognize you are the source of that voice you would say MY Voice right? Kids: Yeah Notice that is because you RECOGNIZED YOUR SELF!!! To recognize your self, is to become AWARE OF YOUR SELF!!! And you don't need time and space to do that!!! So you CAN SAY MY!!!! Because that MY is awareness RECOGNIZING ITSELF, and that is because awareness has the capability to KNOW ITSELF because to KNOW is to RECOGNIZE!!! NOTICE if this wasn't true....then that would mean it couldn't be AWARE!!! So it verifies it is AWARE through KNOWING itself!!!! But notice Neo Advaita IS TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING COMMUNICATED HERE!!! EVEN THOUGH IT IS COMPLETELY OBVIOUS!!!!!! Kids: Why so angry? Sigh......

I already did, you just said it didn't happen but yet you believe in some Alien God awakening, miss me with your bias why would I waste my time. You just contradicted yourself twice. I explained it and you said it didn't happen now you ask me to explain how it was? Contradiction. You believe in some Alien God awakening but don't believe you can walk outside to a world frozen in place? Contradiction. Notice how inconsistent you are? THIS is why you don't have a sober awakening....your mind is too biased and inconsistent you don't know WHAT TO BELIEVE. But hey that is the reality you choose to believe. You can't even make up your mind on Absolute Solipsism even though you LITERALLY TOOK A 5 MEO TRIP....and you saw NO OTHERS!!! It was JUST YOU!!!! But you doubt that too!!! I mean....my GOD how much doubt you wanna carry around with you? Anybody that takes 5 MEO and cannot understand Absolute Solipsism is too afraid to be awake. You literally confirmed that you were the only thing in existence and then you come back and be like....how do I know? LOL. Literally what you experienced on 5 MEO is happening right now!!! It is only appearing that it isn't!!! Let me ask you? Did you see OTHERS? NO!!!! So all you gotta do is realize....everything you are currently viewing is a GOT DAMN APPEARANCE!! But no!!!!! You wanna come back and because you don't have the strength to accept the truth, you come back doubting your own got damn direct experience!!!! Like it doesn't make sense to me!!! It's so obvious its TOO obvious!! How many got damn pointers you want? DO you need your reality to just 5 MEO on its own multiple times in a row and turn back before you finally say..."Ok I get it....there is only me!!! Even though in both instances my awareness was there, the appearance was the only thing that changed!! So I must be that which isn't an appearance!!! Which means all others are completely imaginary appearances!!! So no other exists, just like my appearance of a human body isn't real all others are also not real!! The only real...is my awareness so no other realities exist!!!! It's so simple, it's so straightforward!!! BUT NOOOOOOO!!!!!

Human avatar is made of nothing, God is made of nothing so actually the human avatar has existed forever and literally cannot die. Explain to me how an APPEARANCE can die? It was NEVER ALIVE TO BEGIN WITH!! Based on the bullshit human definition of life and death...life and death never existed in the first place....because it is only an appearance!!!! Also...the human avatar IS GOD APPEARING TO BE HUMAN!!! That POV....is PURE GOD!!! This is why no self is an incomplete awakening and all this nonsense above....means you are not awake!!! THERE IS ONLY YOU!!! That happening? IS GOD!!! If you don't take ownership....what will?

To discover that you are alone as God and that there is no Leo, and lnliytened1 but that which exists in your imagination. Also Actualized.Org is also your imagination, and this entire moment that just passed...you just imagined that too.

So recently I am getting messages (won't say who obviously) that now I am not stable. HAHAHAHHH sometimes you have to shake things up to wake things up. I am perfectly stable what I am showing is the fragility of your world view. Couple of things since you guys don't seem to understand what is going on here. 1. I will not to the best of my ability talk like this in any other forum. All those other forums deal with materialist bullshit. I can speak the materialist bullshit lingo its no problem. 2. Spirituality is about freeing yourself from the constraints of the egoic conditioning. You guys who haven't done it have no idea how wild and crazy it is. You literally have to deconstruct EVERYTHING. Everything I have stated, every enlightened master already knows. It's child's play to them (even though I doubt they can express it as clearly as me) because they know the truth. But when you are still stuck in the dualistic model of thinking what I present is going to feel threatening/insane. 3. If you think I am insane I don't care, Leo was called insane, Jesus was called insane, Sadhguru was called insane, and the list goes on. Just cause you make an accusation doesn't make it true, because your feelings corrupt your world view. I have already explained in previous posts how this works. 4. Now with that said... I also made a thread saying I endeavor to be more calm (See my Contradiction: I Just Discovered My Delusion)....and let's just say I am failing miserably on that front!!! LOL. Why? Because for some reason I am finding this aggressive responses fun!! It's new for me, I'm exploring this expression and I see how it can be fun. With that said...you could easily argue I am guilty of some rule violations. 5. So where is the dividing line? What is the best way to clean house? How should these rules be enforced? Has there been a proper, fair, impartial adjudication of self-expression here? Or are their favorites? Am I being given favoritism and too much leeway? These are legitimate questions.....why not ponder about it? 6. And yes I will self-snitch and put the focus on me too...cause I too AM FULL OF SHIT!!! AHAHHAHAHAHAAHA (Evil Laugh). There is a method to the madness my goal is to shift the rigid thinking you all are operating on....and to get you to question and open your mind and explore. Self-Deception is one tricky son of a gun!!! Really see if you can see how deep it goes!!! This is how you be authentic, this is how you find what's real!!! My Contradiction: Source about how to be impartial: Source about feelings:

I've noticed many of you like to knock people who say they have psychedelic awakening as less valid than sober. But here is the funny thing, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT SOBER IS!!! Science doesn't even know what sober is!!! Science has never proven what sober means and it never can because sober is subjective. Watch this video by Leo about Heavy Metals. A lot of this stuff is in food, would you call that being sober? The symptoms he describes? The truth is what a lot of you call sober, could be called drugged up!!! But you are so use to being drugged up you call that sober!!!! A person who eats fatty foods, he believes being fat is normal!!! When you take him off fatty foods and he becomes lean and gets more energy that becomes his new baseline. So miss me with this sober non sober awakening. Many of you have so many heavy metals and other substances these companies put in food and water that you have no idea how much your soberness is really just a nice cocktail of drugs.