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Because. It really ends in mystery. And any story, any reason we make up is just a conceptual structure we would try to put on something so raw, so spontenous and immediate and mysterious that it just silly

Everything you wrote I can look at as true and compatible with what I wrote. Our views do not contradict. Thisdell calls it superposition view of enlightenment.

Well true understanding of what things are cannot be put into words. It's beyond categorization and conceptualization. That's what you realize, that holding any structure any conceptualizing leads to distortion in perceiving. As Rob Burbea says - " there is no perception without conception " - to have any perception at all you have to have some very very subtle construction/obstruction going on. Which is distorting by nature. Another way to say this is that you are always looking through some lense/view. So when you want to get to the Essence, with no conceptualization at all (so no distortion) you unbind next and next such graspings and conceptualizations -> that process makes you more and more open and dissolved -> you reach the point of dissovling the concept of self, so self disappears -> you also dissolve the conception (and therefore perceiving) of "Thinginess" so everything becomes empty and radiant. You keep on unbinding and dissolving any structure, any conception, any obscuration and grasping -> and it turns out that this leads to Cessation/No Perception/Nibbana (or in daily life to seeing Emptiness of phenomena). It is a great surprise (at least it was for me) that with no distortion at all you are left with no perception, no consciousness, no nothing even. And that is the deepest Freedom. That may sound empty and nihilistic but it isn't - only language makes it seem so. Actually it's the most beautiful freeing realization ever.

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You can have that objection to any spiritual claim. Everything Roger says was validated by my personal experience. I am sure water by the river would agree. And it aligns with what many teacher say: Ingram, Massaro, Yang, Brown and many many others. In the end all dualities colapse. Fullness vs emptiness. Aliveness vs death. Roger's Video that I posted is the best and most detailed video about structure of reality I have seen, and it perfectly aligns with all my psychedelic, meditative experienced as baseline daily life after dissolving the ego. But in the end there is no way around your direct experience and your own instincts. Who knows maybe awakening can be qualitatively different for different brains.

Emptiness is not to be understood as a noun but as an adjective of form. The purpose of insight into emptiness is not to reject form - it is to understand it's structure. It is to understand that it is fabricated by the source. Everything is a fabrication. And does not deny aliveness and fulness. When it comes to structure of reality Roger Thisdell describes it very well here: And back to the topic of the thread - > Cessation/Nibanna is when all fabrication, all fixations of the mind cease to be and the pure Awareness/Void/Mind is reavealed and you can not say anything about it because there is ZERO information there. Zero fabrication. No space, no time, no self, no god, no infinity. Zero information. And yet the subtlest YOU is that. It's when the God's computer stops computing anything. When the dreams stops being dreamed. It is beyond god realization.

Each sight is self-luminous and sees itself. Each sound is self-luminous and hears itself. Every sensory input is effortlessly experienced on it's own without any witnesser or experiencer. Each part of this luminous sensation Soup. There is no distance and space in this soup of sensations for the Self to exist. Self-feeling is just another cluster of sensations withing the soup. Emotions and thoughts are also just another group of sensations within this sensory field. Everything happening perfectly on its own. There is only this Unfolding of this sensory soup. See this. Realize this and see how when you uninstall the group of sensations of Selfing from this mix - the Soup becomes much more tasty. Sweet and light and effortless. Much love

There is this video on Leo's blog about two young girls that where born without feeling pain and it makes them so disfunctional. They literally try to scratch their eyes out with their fingers or just put hand in boiling water because why not? Thats how important pain is. Appreciate it. It is literally necessary to maintain physical form.

Damn man, that's some bazookish poetry, beautiful.

This is golden. This colapses alone/together duality.

You are on a roll lately, badass!

You can not. Whatever man or woman you take you can't even prove they exist because maybe you are dreaming now, or maybe it is a simulation so they are not real. Or maybe they are a hologram just as scientific tools you would use to "prove" anything. Everything is a belief other than direct perception. You don't know anything other than THIS NOW. Really let that sink in.

Nothing ever can be proven. The only thing that is sure is perception itself.

https://youtu.be/rVoRX1nMNg4?si=n-p23X1LmItlpjY_ I imagine walter saying "This" instead.

Bentinho Massaro, Frank Yang, Jed Mckenna,

For me the key insight was this: If I had the same brain, experiences and environment that a given person had - I would behave and think exactly as they do. We are all in this together. Try to look at everyone as an innocent child. Wake up this kind of parental love for anyone.

Badass! Lovely post Was this some sort of shift for you? How did you come to realize what was written here?

30minute meditation in the morning and 30 minute meditation in the evening is an absolute minimum to keep the mind sharp enough to perceive magic imho. No other way around it.

Yes, it's just a lense. I like that lense because it makes me me cheerful

It's something Frank Yang said and there is beautiful truth to that. It's like after my separate self dissolved now there is less and less voice commenting anyone's actions. It's like just as my body has no separate self and is moved by whole reality, the same applies to perception of other people. They just say and do things that Infinite Inteligence throws at them. Just like clouds at the sky. There was never an ego, so the same is seen in others. It's beutifull because it frees me of this programme that you have to help someone. Everythings is just perfectly unfolding and there is no-one doing it. Neither here nor in "others". No egos. Just reality unfolding without doers. Ego is just an optical illusion - the same here as in others.

We really do have a similar taste my friend 😗

Only egos see egos.

I just read absolutely beautiful post by Matt Kahn and I had to share it with my lovely forum: """ Imagine you are sitting around a campfire with friends. You feel the warmth of the heat, but begin to be transfixed, almost hypnotized by the changing shapes of smoke dancing above the flames. As the smoke moves in various patterns, a face can be seen. While forgetting your surroundings, you imagine the face you see in the smoke to be who you are. First you think, “How did I get in this smoke? Did I do something wrong? Am I being punished?” Perhaps, followed by the fear, “I’ve got to get out of here before this fire burns my smoke-shaped face.” You even say out loud, “Hey, do you all see my face in the smoke?” No one does because from their vantage point, the smoke takes different shapes, offering a distinction in experience. As no one but you sees your face shaped out of the smoke in sight, you feel sadness. “No one sees me or understands the uniqueness of my experience.” While the fate of the smoke-shaped face comes and goes, you suddenly realize, “I am not the shape of the smoke in sight, I am the witness of it.” You then return to your perspective as one of many observers sitting around a campfire. You say to the others, “I just had the wildest spiritual experience. I lost myself in the shape of a face I saw in the smoke, only to realize, the one experiencing it is so much bigger. I no longer think I am the smoke about to be burned by the fire. It can warm my skin, but it cannot touch the observer in any way. I now understand the nature of ego.” As you share this insight to a mixture of resonance, silence, and confusion, the experience deepens. Everything you just realized was fundamentally true, but to stay there would be the creation of the spiritual ego. If ego were the face molded out of the smoke in view, the spiritual ego could only be the face of the one viewing it. Then you hear a voice within your heart, “Are you ready to go even deeper than this insight?” Just as you are about to answer yes, your experience changes. Suddenly, you realize the shapes coming and going in the smoke and each person sitting around you are all equal expressions of the fire in sight. It’s as if the identity projected onto the face molded out of smoke, and even the identities of the observers around you are all unique ways the fire gets to know itself. When you thought you were a face dancing in smoke, your experience skimmed along the surface of reality, where you feared being burnt by the fire. Even when seeing yourself as the observer, you were a character separate from the power of the flame, close enough to be warmed by its heat, but without a direct realization of its infinite brightness and eternal power. Having taken things deeper, you have realized you are the eternal flame of existence, fueling the joy of self-discovery as both the observer of the fire and the beliefs projected onto the shape that smoke takes when viewing it. As the fire, you are the Source of all experiences and the intersecting point of connection that makes you and the people around the campfire one united reality, even while experiencing it as separate witnesses or observers. Then a fear arises, “How will I stay the fire? What if the others begin engaging me as their separate observer selves and pull me back into my body?” Then your experience deepens: If the smoke and observer are equal expressions of the fire, then it cannot be wrong to experience myself this way. It was only limiting and dense when I thought I was only the face shaped out of smoke or the observer of the fire. Now that I know I am truly the fire within it all, just as everyone else is, I accept it is the will of the fire to explore interchanging experiences, whether as smoke, the appearance of people warmed by the flames, or the witness learning from its observations. You realize that even if pulled back into the infancy of smoke, or the adolescence of observation, you have always been the fire within it all; expressing the power of light that doesn’t know how to dim, diminish, or shine less brightly. Applying this to your life, the faces shaped out of smoke are the ever-changing landscape of thought. You are not the character each thought suggests, but the source of thinking itself — existing just underneath the surface of your experience. The belief that you are these smoke-shaped thoughts and nothing else is the nature of ego. This is learned by the spiritual ego, or the observer of the smoke, which happens to be a more densely-shaped smoke imagining itself still separate from the fire in view. All the while, the truth of your infinite nature exists as a fire that cannot be extinguished that experiences itself as a world of thought and observers that come to life out of a timeless dance of smoke and ash. Once you know yourself to be the fire burning brightly in every heart, it is the will of the fire, beyond the grasp and understanding of personal will, that decides whether any moment is experienced as the smoke, the observer, or the fire itself. From this space of clarity, being the smoke or the observer no longer contains fear or limitation, since it is merely the way in which an inextinguishable fire of consciousness grows and expands. The fate of smoke can change, just as the perspective of the observer. All the while, you are a fire burning brightly within and throughout it all, with nothing to figure out, process, or keep straight. Even if there were something to process, it would just be the billowing mental smoke that reminds you how intelligent and powerful of fire you happen to be. This is the moment you are free. You cannot go backwards after knowing this. It’s not a belief to maintain or an idea to defend. It’s just the way things are. Now you can truly enjoy the magnitude of the campfire, no matter the differing experiences of those around you. All for love, Matt Kahn """ The only thing I would add is that ultimatelly there is also this Ineffable non-space in which the fire arises and vanishes each moment eternally. And you're both and neither that space and the fire.

Just like understanding reality could be out of vanity. There is something beautiful in having an aesthetic body. Being an expression of beauty, discipline in a very direct way. Being a sculptor (and therefore an artist) od your own body. Just like there is something beautiful in understanding reality. It depends on motivation. Many artists pursue their "passions" for appearing cool and getting their egos validated. This particular body would much more prefer to have a beautiful, healthy, strong, flexible body than being able to paint. It's just a bias.

Yup, you are right. That's what "neither" points to 😗