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@Intraplanetary I've been watching the Indian take as I quite like their news coverage as an outside source to balance out closer proximity on issues, but their major networks in english (not all) have been behind most others. Trying to play down the significance of the conflict for example and play it off as a skirmish. It seems these networks just had a reality check and are in the fear we all had a week or two ago. So right now they are overreacting, unless something else changes, we've been at this point for 2 weeks.
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I wish I could find permanence in art or creation, but it is the opposite. Its temporary. For artists or creative people we have to find that elsewhere, maybe other people, a familiar place to create, a pet, or a comfortable chair *Maybe the creative process is our permanence.
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And that would never be known unless the Ukrainian perspective was also given in his analysis. Do you see what I mean? Without Ukraine's perspective on how Ukraine relates to Russia, we can never see the full picture or why the decisions were made.
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Further by this speakers Great Power Bias, and not acknowledging Ukraine's perspective in this he fails to see how Russia relates to Ukraine as well. I am watching Kyle's perspective now, and he brings up that Russia had a long list of grievances with Ukraine. So its not just unhelpful for understanding Ukraine, or nuance, its unhelpful for understanding NATO and Russia too. This world is built on how we relate to each other. The same goes with Georgia too. If anything what has been lacking in all of this is understanding how countries relate to one another, and how their collective identities create their emotional reaction.
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@Fleetinglife I agree. Thank you, I see that as part of a pattern in people too. There is one thing you miss to make this universal. Countries need to become more self sufficient, everywhere, perhaps especially those that were acting the most imperialist of all.
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@Fleetinglife Do you honestly feel that separation will cause less or more suffering. I ask because I have the teal swan video on separation in my mind, its only a small one: I understand that separation goes both ways. So please don't take this as a need to defend your perspective. I understand it. I am merely asking if you think setting up a 2nd global powerblock, or a decoupling of all major economies, is the best answer we can come up with.
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Listened to the 26 minutes of his speech. I might have more thoughts if I catch the rest later and I am sorry if during questions he expands more later in the video. Its good that people are seeing the Russians concerns and by now they should be obvious. It brings us all closer together. The concerns they'd have that NATO would have in their positions. When people realise Russia is also in decline next to other eastern powers China/India, and its in part fueled by that change in its status, the geo political picture will be more complete. What stands out most is its all them/us. He assigns no value to the smaller countries and populations own will. It falls into the trap of us/them rather than the three direct perspectives involved in each case. He says himself his bias is on great power politics, that's what he's studied all his life. Second you can't kill people and then say the primary responsibility is with someone else. Response - Ability, means your ability to respond. It sets the perspective on a faulty premise. War in fact reduces your ability to respond, which Russia has done, limiting its options. I watched the initial Ukrainian demonstrations in a detailed documentary, it started with a small body of students being arrested, injured and killed. So he's wrong there. The local population reacted to it, the church did for example. Was the following action supported by the USA? Possibly, he'd need to show me the evidence. Just like people would for the coups and uprising for Russia in the east of Ukraine. There was certainly huge popular support, more than any foreign agent could foster, if you watched the popularity of it all and the defiance in the square. The pro russian government to break the standoff started killing people. They were massively out of touch when they did talk to the population. Its all on film. So they brought about their own demise by not being able to adapt or respond in a measured way. The EU designed Ukraine to be a pro western country? The EU was nowhere near that unified. This is a misunderstanding of what the EU was and still is. A pro EU country maybe, but even that was a disjointed identity and until last week I wouldn't have been able to define it. Look at the many videos on the subject of the EU's future from last few years alone. Russia will be in the arms of the chinese. China will be the larger partner and Russia the smaller one. That's just what's likely going to happen now in terms of economy, population, geography. Putin is interested in creating a greater Russia, because he's said as much, he's said Ukraine doesn't exist for example. His background in the KGB also lends itself to this worldview and identity. Part of is this is taking over the gas supply completely from Ukraine, and it wouldn't be honest to ignore that. As for Russia and Putin shooting themselves in the foot with Crimea of course he did, he pushed Ukraine into NATO's arms there. It will be the same after this war, Ukraine will be fiercely westernised. It doesn't work one way and not the other. NATO pushes Russia into China's arms in the same way. His bias also shows that he understands Russia may level cities and that Russia losing is bad for world stability. Well the exact same thing applies, in both cases if NATO or Ukraine loses. I know nobody wants to hear that much globally, but its true. Suffering happens in either case. Lets reverse this and say NATO said to Russia you cannot ally with Belarus, then invaded, the reaction would be exactly the same from Russia, only worse. This helps I hope to show both perspectives. Finally he completely misses the guarantees given to Ukraine by both the USA, UK and Russia after Ukraine removed its nukes. So some form of assistance was always going to happen, even for that alone. *I also understand NATO doctrine does not shell cities but it still creates plenty of civilian loss of life in the resulting conflicts that follow this. That's the meaning there.
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Belief and identity structures outcome. You can be a very angry successful person for example, or a happy failure. Emotion comes from identity and at the same time forms or reinforces it. Words are forms, and symbols, but you give it meaning from the language structure within you. Voice has resonance. Letters and words have tones certainly to assist meaning. Shout at someone and you'll get a different reaction to talking softly but words or symbols are only given lasting meaning by belief, language structure and identity. Everything comes from you. It can be no other way. If you want to go down this rabbit hole study etymology, scared geometry and maybe books like the ophanic revelation. If you can get past the mythological aspects, you can see how letters can be designed to trigger reactions by tone and that language structures meaning, but its still you that ultimately interprets reality. Maybe one day someone will design a language that is more beneficial to humanity, rather than increment as we do with existing languages.
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BlueOak replied to itachi uchiha's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
@itachi uchiha Thank you i've got it on now and will comment if anything comes up related. We are in part talking about what has happened over the last 20 years in media. Even sky news for example 20 years ago were reporting on warcrimes in Iraq. It was all over the media about soldiers mistreating others. Media has shifted further and further into propoganda as opposed to independent coverage. It used to be that journalists were much more effective in getting multiple perspectives and challenging any official narrative for example, it was once their purpose to challenge stories and find holes in them. The result of authoritarian regimes pushing their own agenda across the globe, has been the restructuring of the press for the worse to integrate it globally and in reaction to this. Independent media was a backlash toward that but even that has been suppressed and is slowly being eroded by advertisers and search engines. I for example got a years worth of comments deleted on youtube because a dozen were not in align with the official state narrative. -
BlueOak replied to itachi uchiha's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
That's false. I was following it daily. Every step of the way, I was a young 20 year old and it was my political awakening to how our leaders mislead us, how they don't understand the world or the consequences of their actions, and the beginnings of my detachment from politics. Seeing Tony Blair lying in front of me, this charismatic young politician who before that had everyone fooled was the moment I woke up from politics. -
BlueOak replied to itachi uchiha's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
Iraq was protested widely. Its was 50/50 in many western countries, lot of backlash against it. Afghanistan was a reaction to the trauma of losing so many in America. Eventually you saw more protest against it as it dragged on. Syria I had given up following news for 10 years so I can't comment. Depends which media you are following of course, like anything which perspective you decide to look at. -
Really strange to see my own failings over my life so well highlighted in one side of a war. Slow to adapt, wants to control the conversation, can't deal with reality as it is but would rather invent a fantasy to deal with that instead. Big fat collective shadow everyone, with a bright beam on its head to highlight it to the world. Why Russia is struggling and why Nato couldn't see the danger in front of them. I have shifted thinking to that Putin will find it difficult to win now. He's buried himself in his own fantasy and resisted changing it. He will not commit the million men he needs to win long term and fight the war he's in. He is fighting the war he wants to be in, still even now. Russia is also steady, deliberate, overpowering but slow to adapt. Meaning the changing battlefield conditions that the Ukrainians are fighting can stall it for long periods. Russian logistics take a very long time to be built into place as they are so dependent on rails to supply their vast military, and Ukraine is focused on those logistics to slow everything to a grinding halt. I see this lack of adaptation through almost all russian speakers I meet and in myself obviously, (can't be any other way) There are so many anti tank weapons now, to win either Russa would need to get Ukraine to surrender, or Putin would need to commit so many vehicles that there will be nothing left of the Russian military by the end of this. Splitting the country in half is still probably his best outcome, but I don't think they will bring 500,000 people in to do and hold that either
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This might be helpful as a very basic breakdown of survival response and how other areas of the brain are shutoff. Also how trauma is stored in the limbic system. @Fleetinglife
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The more stress there is the more desire there is for safety and certainty, rather than objectivity. In psychological terms its the limbic brain overriding the cortex. The cortex mostly serves the limbic brain, which is concerned with feeling good for example, survival etc. Essentially all of these regions: https://askabiologist.asu.edu/brain-regions Satisfy the last on the list. *This is also how dangerous men stay in power. **How abusers stay hidden. ***How people are manipulated the world over.
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I didn't want to mention Serbia previously but yes the balklands are such a difficult, complicated region to describe it would take a lot of time to break them down and a lot of videos to get a reasonable understanding. Serbia is somewhat friendly with Russia, so as Nato expands into the balklands that was a possible start of a wider war, I just thought we had enough worry that I didn't want to mention it.
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BlueOak replied to itachi uchiha's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
While you, we, they, us see these as different they will continue. I am sorry for this: Because of the horrible things you have seen, what you cannot yet accept is, this bias is in human nature with the identities we have decided to tie ourselves to. You would likely be far more effective showing the weaknesses and pitfalls in these identities rather than merely the biases in them. -
As for taking over, 150,000 isn't enough to take over anything. There are well calculated estimates that if even 1-2% of the population was in rebellion, Russia would need one million troops to maintain order. That's more than it can or will supply over the long term. By having a goal of removing all weapons. They make this goal even harder. Its exactly the same that America did in Iraq. Let's destroy the military! Great well you've made the entire military and everyone with a gun your enemy, nice job Russia. Nobody learns anything.
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They have already overthrown Russia once and it didn't work because Russia is back. There will be constant disruption to the country even if Russia was controlling it now. Disruption will be the goal of many. People will dissappear or be shot. There will be suffering and instability for a long time. Unless Russia adapts to this new huge chunk of population that it wants to govern. I want you to picture in your country there was a government that few expected and nobody accepted, then it tries to stay in power. What is the end result? It's different to wanting something to be different, wanting implies acceptance or an expectation life will be a certain way. Its why America can function under polorization for example, because it is built into its politics. Unless Russia has that swing and adaptation to its politics, it cannot have this large addition to its population without instability. Then there is the perspective of other countries that will be invaded by other powers if Russia takes over Ukraine. Most of which are not related to Russia. That said, this could happen in other baltic countries which do have substantial Russia populations, where Putin could manufacture the same scenario he did here, only more easily. I don't take the belief that Russia wouldn't ever invade other Nato countries. What is that based on, what we'd do, Russia isn't us. If it see's a strong response it is less likely to but that's a big factor in the consideration. There is a belief Russia has shifted into a Stalin mindset. Shutting down press, eliminating all rivals, consolidating almost absolute power, willing to stand up to Nato and focus his state media on demonizing Nato further. In this scenario, war with Nato is a stronger possibility than people can yet accept.
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BlueOak replied to PataFoiFoi's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
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Fail a lot. Many better known or valued people in life have. Did you ever go out and try and fail at something, see what didn't work, just have a fun time with it? If you've failed you've gained an understanding or distinction, the best way to learn anything. Here perhaps you've narrowed down to specialize for example, you know what you don't want to do or what you are not good at, or just how to be better at a specific task. I struggle with it because previously in my life as a kid it meant a shouting match or beating. So I took failure seriously, but its too easy to make too much of a big deal of it and paralyze yourself or develop an identity that keeps berating, fearing or hating on yourself. video games, physical prowess and dexterity - These Sound motor related, spatial relations etc. Socializing, dating, understanding people - These sound psychological, empathetic etc. Try something unrelated to those topics to specialize in. If you've developed an identity as a failure you can either embrace and say to hell with it, not advised, I do this and it's a sucky approach. Or realise that failure isn't so bad, you are learning, and maybe you are just narrowing down in life what to specialize in. Could you for example advise kids on failure, how to cope and go through it? See everything has the potential to be useful once you go through it yourself, you are paid forward for learning something to then offer it to someone else.
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I was trying to find an apathy image with a heavy weight, but I can't even find/reflect one that doesn't require payment in my search right now. About sums it up. Money = Apathy = Laziness. Heavy apathy today, not a light i'm stuck kind. Just a block of iron.
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The first steps in being conscious to dreaming is recognizing things in them that are real.
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Of course they are not looking to blow up a nuclear powerplant but its also tactically stupid to fire any large munitions anywhere near a nuclear power plant. Whichever local commander or dumb officer ordered it is probably being relieved of his command right now. Its obviously going to get enlarged to be: Russia targets nuclear power plant, or Russia terrorist attack. It blowing up is not the likely outcome either, it leaking is and the resulting fallout blowing anywhere. One thing confirmed to be certain is, Russia's accuracy is garbage and dangerous. Its also why whatever their actual intent, it will always come off as looking like they are targetting civilian buildings. I am sure that goes on, especially when they shell cities, but in the beginning I think it was more accidental missiles landing near their targets or government buildings. Now though in this stage of the war, where they look to break through urban areas, there will be much more civilian buildings being destroyed.
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To be honest this is another reason why we are lacking an Eastern Europe Perspective video. It would greatly increase understanding and acceptance on these issues.
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+All the PMC's and mercenaries involved now. Which obviously no channel will ever cover. The unofficial assistance other states feeling threatened will have sent Even the Ukraine recruitment video has passed 1 million views. People going over have been covered on various national news networks i've seen several different countries. So none of this is surprising, it will be a lot higher as times goes on, why do I say that, because georgia had 17,000 officially and this is a wider, bigger war pulling more people into it. What people above are not taking into account are many factors fear, fear people will be next. Moldova for example, the Belarus president actually showed on TV troops planning to move into their country and much of their population are Romanians. Hopefully the setbacks have discouraged it. The baltics officially have stated how they feel threatened many times. Poland also has strong ties with Ukraine, friendships and family. Which have nothing to do with 'fake news' or the propganda media engages in, that's real ties that cause real emotion. If Russia were attacking a place over the border to me and I had ties there, I would feel a pull to assist in some form. I actually did at very the start of this conflict as I identify with being a European. I saw it as an attack on Europe, until efforts were made to increase security in the East I felt threatened. I still hear today people calling Putin a Nazi, that he wants to overrun Europe. Of course this is overblown fear talking from them, demonization, but its the mood, its the fear, the history in Poland or the east, and the sentiment. People in the west are being demonized by the east too in the same way.
