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Propaganda is one or a small spectrum of perspectives echoed across a large platform. Its not insidious on its own. Its only an issue when it is all that is displayed. Recently it was told to me Russian people prefer having a small spectrum of opinions displayed. While its obvious the west as a collective prefers a wider variety being displayed but still having it limited. Every government limits what others can see and what is suppressed but there is more allowed in democratic countries. Which is what makes them democratic, as opposed to having one perspective which makes autocratic countries. There is not a huge difference here, but there is a difference and that has to be acknowledged to be the case.

Many topics are covered if anything in too much detail for me a layman but I found it beneficial. People who are considering going further than personal understanding into professional work may find this extremely useful beyond that. I have noticed people could benefit understanding Trauma in relation to proximity, similarity, familiarity, the cumulative effect, diet, illness, mood, lethargy, sex drive, edgy behavior, inflammation, allergic reactions etc. How the body shuts down so the stress levels reduce for example, being experienced as fatigue. As an example, in an extended exposure to stress, it talks of the encoding of fear memories and triggers into the body, whereas in the initial moment this is blocked by the physical response.

A spiritual reason if you go in this direction is you ingest the animals suffering. You take that into you. On all levels from the meat to the soul. So if an animal has been kept in a cage all its life in squalid conditions that is becoming part of you. An animal in the wild, has lived a long life free of imprisonment, its the moment of death mostly that is its suffering, the rest of life is not based on disfigurement of body/spirit that often accompany animals living in a cage. And of course you are the animal, so treat it as you would want to be treated. That tends to be what happens with people, how they interpret the world is how they react to their interpretations, and so what they experience or create in their life. *Expanding this meaning: Part of you. Being party of society, part of life, how you react to the world, relate to it, what we create etc.

When will the time be more right? Russia is bogged down, and being brought to peace by almost all of the democratic world. Almost all of the Ukrainian population is against the invasion. They are well armed and supplied in all but the south east where some are cut off. The population is armed and mobilized. The refugee crisis and pictures of suffering are causing more pressure against Russia. Russia has lost momentum and its lost a lot of men and machines. The snow is melting and making the terrain worse. Its supply lines are more vulnerable than ever and it doesn't have enough trucks to supply its forces. Its lost many generals and many commanding officers, its faced defections and low morale. Russia has little legitimacy for the war except NATO is bad, and Russia don't like what happened in the east, which Russia itself created in fighting there and arming/building a separatist movement. Russia is not even calling it a war, so how does it intend to fight a long one? Its largely trying to invent legitimacy after the fact with mythical bio labs, and nuclear threats. Which never works, it takes years of conditioning to Democratic countries to believe state party lines. There is no more right time, than right now. By the way the Russian approach to propaganda is one more way to show how it doesn't understand the west. They might be able to convince their own populations of something because they have been fostering NATO hate based on its expansion for decades, but it takes a year or more of state messaging on democratic or even just neutral third party media to justify invading another country.

@hello1234 Like you. I want to know where the voices are that are telling Russia or China how to adapt or change. The lessons they have to learn, how they can encourage peace rather than war. Why its all one sided. The feedback is so obvious and so bias across the internet experts that I can't take most of it seriously. The fact Russia has managed to invade another country (again) and have everyone talking about how NATO is bad while doing so is incredible. I mean well done to their media and propaganda teams. They've managed to even convince half the world they are not even in a war. Its brilliant if it wasn't so horrific. It does however set the stage for other countries to do the same. That needs to be clear. Other countries can now blame Russia, NATO, China, Iran etc for their own invasions more easily. I realise these are continuations of what other countries have been attempting to achieve, and now Russia has perfected it others can copy the same.

Celtic is closest, because I enjoy that culture the most. I never had a strong identity of country. My racial identity is almost non existent. I have a lesser European identity based on proximity, common values, and safety, which was slow to come about. My father is Scottish, Mother English and we have Italian blood apparently in the family, a refugee from war. Something you said once, might make this useful to look at, especially given this war is fueled by nationalist sentiment. On race or bloodlines, at one point I did inner or spiritual work wanting to work with my ancestors. Which is a huge resource if you ever head in that direction, lot of strength in your DNA, your heritage, your bloodline and race. The land around you is some of the most rich connection to life and you there is. Lot of certainty there when you begin to remove identity completely from yourself. Easily dismissed these days in the 'temporary' world of passing technology and individualist logic, which closes people off to how interconnected they are within their society, family, their land and the DNA in their body. If you are happy or at least content with who you are, and what you focus on, then family lines explored spiritually are beautiful. If not, then wait to do that, as it can lead to some pain. It did for me in a direct spiritual way. It can certainly lead to identities that exploit others for harmful gain, as everyone has seen, so these topics take a lot of care, as there are many terrible things clouding it like a shadow. (This war for example). Like most inner or spiritual work based on reality it turns everything up to 10 and if I had to put another stage to Leo's spiral dynamics it'd be total integration of the body/mind and everything we are, which ultimately at its most beautiful is love. A lot of spiritual work lacks roots in the real world because its all based on concepts that don't exist, or we are trying to perceive something we can never see, but family lines, DNA, what made you who you are, that's very potent and where the magic happens. *I mention all this because people's lack of connection to the land, their history, race, culture etc, is what nationalist sentiment based on a constructed identity replaces to fill that void. Which leads to war over constructed identities that don't even exist.

Individualists do work together, but they don't rely on each other as a rule. They don't interconnect in the same way as a collectivist would.

Russia thinks its fighting a wider war, because their country is individualist, they look at the world as individual countries standing strong alone. Their population is collectivist however. NATO thinks its helping another country but not in a war, because their countries are collectivist, dependent on each other with intricate alliances and treaties. Their population is individualist however. For example, Russians prefer state TV to give them a message because their populations are collectivist as a society. NATO prefers many channels of information as their populations are individualist as a society. This is where the misunderstanding comes from. NATO believes that further cooperation and treaties with everyone is beneficial. Russia believes it should stand alone apart from this cooperative influence. Both approaches to life causes distrust in each other throughout their societies. The only way(s) to solve this puzzle is to look again at what Ukraine wants and needs. Alternatively a way to encourage peace, is to condense what I just said into a message that we can give to others in the form of a solution. Please yellow thinkers have a shot, give me a message I can drop in the right places that is easily understood or do so yourself when it comes to you. Thanks @Leo Gura Tagging you for a big brain answer.

Underneath everything you are already awake. You can play infinite games with consciousness or mask it repeatedly even intending to stay less consciousness, just by random chance events its going to happen slowly. Stress is a great way to be less conscious, being relaxed will give you the opposite. I will say as a master escapist its perfectly possible to ignore reality, to put yourself in well developed fantasy, but its also miserable. Those immersed in reality have a much harder time ignoring source, god, themselves, and not growing more conscious through experience. Lies eventually are usually realised inside ourselves. You also get much more headaches and ill feelings when you know something and you go and do something else anyway. Like me indulging in arguing with myself about current events, I get a headache, because I know I am not allowing acceptance, or love to be there. I am taking sides, even when I try not to, sometimes I manage to get insight which is welcome but its not without pain. I know all is love, everything experienced is from me, and then second you know that, I mean experience being it completely for even a second. Well like anything else its difficult to ignore. You begin to manifest elements of uncertainty within your own body/mind or life when going against it. Which is visible in people right now. Its a difficult balance living this life, being universal, expressing love or at least joy/gratitude and approaching reality where it is. Its much easier to sit in a room away from it all and pretend it doesn't exist, but it does, its going on right now. Its why all previous spiritual masters used to sit in caves away from everyone else, that's easy mode

What you don't understand taking the Russian perspective is. People and the state are separate in democracies. There is no way to do what you say without the popular will to do it. On the extreme, suppression of protest, and the government shooting protestors works the opposite in western countries than it does in the east. It causes instability not stability. When the government started doing that in Ukraine they already lost. In this war they've already lost because they are doing the same thing. Only if the entire liberal and Ukrainian nationalist will is crushed or removed will there be any hope of Russia controlling that country long term. Which they are attempting but it won't be done quickly, war breeds nationalism. As for them joining NATO not being a realistic goal, it almost happened. Chest beating no, western ignorance. NATO doesn't and didn't understand Russia and its obvious from reading Russian posts they don't understand NATO either.

Its even more farcical than that. Russia has a significantly worse far right problem. Maybe they will be invading themselves next. This entire war is fueled by far right nationalism. Its going to recreate what they say they are against further in the countries surrounding Russia as a move to protect their identity and themselves. If we are playing the labelling game: Chechen General Magomed Tushayev who was recently killed was famous for his purges of people based on sexuality, or Vladimir Zhoga the Russian backed commander in the DPR was a torturer with links to Neo Nazi groups. They recently gave him state funeral I believe and heralded him a hero. But there is no need for this as you say because the whole premise is a lie to try and support an invasion. There is no country without a far right, especially those in a war. What the poster is giving you though is an insight into the propoganda machine in Russia and has been recently been pointed out to me, people in Russia and collectivist societies on some level prefer to be told what the truth is. So I have come to accept that due to this collectivist mindset its not just Putin that is at war with Ukraine, its Russia as a whole. In the west we separate out people from politicians, individual from state, in Russia they don't. So appealing to the population like we are doing is a western way of looking at society, not an eastern one.

@Radu97 Depressions a b*tch my friend. Been through long periods of it. You are not alone. Sounds like you need a change and it really sounds like you need to stop beating yourself up about it all. Plenty of people that will do that for you. Anger is a way out of depression, its like a bridge to something better. Everyone goes through these snapping periods where they can't take something anymore and have to make a change. Its not losing its life. It sucks sometimes. Somethings we are powerless to change and somethings we can, especially what we do ourselves. Make a change and try for better. Make a plan, make another plan, make another plan and try all three. Fail until you win. Sorry its hurting right now, just know it happens to everyone that they end up on their backside at times. The only way out is doing something else, making that move somewhere else, or talking to your boss. You'll probably have a lot of career changes in your life. Just something that happens to us all. Maybe build on some of the things you learned here or use it show you how you never want your life to be again. Get some long periods of sleep, life will seem a bit better if you can have some time off to rest and relax. Sounds like you are long overdue a holiday. All the best.

Its more like acting on a fantasy rather than reality. You can be a smart person and put yourself in your own bubble of reality oblivious to the outside world. Covid isolation didn't help and nor did his desire to be surrounded by yes men. Even going as far to shape his country around his identity in this way, and making himself almost indistinguishable from his own countries history and it from him. I used to date someone with an IQ of 180 and believe me she still made mistakes but looking through it you can see why. I've seen great film directors ignore all advice around them and make terrible movies or decisions in the same way. I can also call it both sides not wanting to see the other for what it is. The west has been covered well in ignoring Russia's concerns, Russia has demonstrated it didn't want to look at or understand Ukraine or its own status in the world right now. The military plans seem so rigid they can't adapt to the changing conditions. And almost nobody looked (looks) at or understands Eastern Europe, myself included but I am trying. The west also hasn't and doesn't want to recognize the slow expansionist tendencies of Putin. Putin doesn't recognize in the same way we do, where his countries borders end and others start. The west has to be aware of that. Nobody really wants to admit how brutal Russia still is but they are getting a reminder. Russia doesn't want to admit its smaller than NATO and eventually will lose if it carries on. The longer this goes on the more things come to light that everyone was ignoring or couldn't see. Like Russia still thinking its on an even standing to China, or once again reminding us that the west form of democracy isn't best for everyone. The horrors already carried out by western countries in war, came to the surface again. These misunderstandings go through life like a crack. Its also because Putin is older, and the older you are the more you can get set in a certain mindset reinforced by experience. I think everyone buried their head in the same way after Syria, again at Crimea, but things get to a point where they can't. Maybe Putin gambled everyone would just sit on their hands again because they'd done so over and over.

First making changes isn't losing, its adapting so you can win. Stress is cumulative and causes fatigue as the body shuts itself down to preserve itself. It causes loss of sleep, anxiety, loss of sexual drive, loss of appetite, loss of personal drive, eventually depression etc. You will continue to shut down areas of your body/mind and life until you relieve stress. So my first advice is relax in whatever manner works for you, seek out ways to relax and try a few. If you work in high stress environments and have little time to relax, then use that little time to relax preciously. You can do a five minute yoga routine or five minute meditation. You might find a relaxing form of martial arts, or walks in nature, swimming, calming music etc as you travel to work. Whatever it is. Life shapes itself around you too. This is hard to understand at first, but how you react/reflect and act will inevitably shape your life, even if it seems like everything's happening to you, it works both ways. Also why make it binary. London is its own country almost, like many capitals. There are a wealth of places in UK that are nothing like London, many of which are based on tourism. I'd be tempted to go to the coast and the ocean alone is going to make you feel less stressed, along with those around you. Do a bit of research on locations within the UK in your preferred field, especially those related to hospitality. If you want a gold mine in the UK go to Jersey on the holiday season or christmas and earn a fortune in hospitality tips, if you can get in ;). Its not called millionaire island for nothing. *I've only heard this info second hand If you prefer the city life to quieter towns, here are the cities I would look at, but a town might well suit you so have a look along the coast. https://www.tripsavvy.com/popular-uk-cities-for-international-visitors-1661845 Here is a personality quiz based around location: Info: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-31816926 - Test: https://www.bbc.co.uk/teach/where-in-britain-would-you-be-happiest/zkmrpg8 Finally If you want the mechanics of stress I dropped this video earlier. *Also have you spoke to your boss about this, he/she is human (some of the time :D) and might well adapt things to suit you rather than lose you, if you are valued to them.

Why. You have to break this down. Why does shooting jets down equal using nukes. *You edited your post and I agree with the bottom part, I was hoping that was the outcome from the start.

Noam Chomsky isn't a very rational man when it comes to crisis, his take on covid to force unvaccinated people to starve in their homes was ill thought out and terrible. I mean how was that going to be enforced? He overexaggerates the fear. I have fear of nuclear war, but the west is letting Putin dictate to them how to act as well. Here he's again missed the region's perspective entirely, and thus the reasons for the war. Some people just want the NATO vs Russia to blind them from the reality of the region or what's going on. Asking for demilitarization when the entire region is more militarized than ever is never going to happen practically. Asking for surrender when the country is on fire, is unlikely. Asking for no Reaction initially when that would split NATO east to west, or country to country is also unwise. A reaction to neighbors being invaded is inevitable whether its done by NATO or others, at least this way NATO somewhat dictate the reaction. Especially given the history of Russia in Eastern Europe and recently. I heard a great speaker the other night say, there should be no red lines on the NATO side because we shouldn't let Putin know how we are going to react. Nothing should be denied, nothing should be told to Putin that we will or won't do. NATO is making mistake after mistake telling Putin how we will react and giving him confidence to proceed. Airstrikes on the convoys would of course help but are not as necessary as people talk about, Russians are freezing in those vehicles at 0 to -10 at night for weeks with inadequate food. Also russians have started to bring in civilian vehicles to bring food to the front, so taking out these logistic runs is having an effect slowly to erode the frontline. Interception of Russian jets dropping bombs on cities, especially if they are chemical I am favor of. I feel it was stupid politically not to ship those polish jets. If NATO did that, NATO could say we've met their request and we've got no planes of our own in the air. Practically long range missiles are more what's needed to stop chemical attacks before they happen, more drones searching for them and searching for the artillery hitting cities. Perhaps no fly zones over refugee corridors would be an acceptable risk, this is Ukraine's airspace not Russia's.

@Preety_India Thank you. Take care.

I don't think you are dumb, you form your thoughts and relationships or connections just fine. There isn't resistance there to new ideas or concepts. There is genuine self reflection (this thread) and want to improve yourself, which puts you ahead of much of population in terms of wisdom. Heck even being on this forum and struggling with these things says a lot about your character which you can be proud of or grateful for. I think you could do with putting your foot down a bit more. I do see your opinion go one way or the other quite quickly. I too can or did suffer from this which is why I recognize it. We were both abused. This is part of it. Beaten or shouted into accepting an opinion so we do so with less resistance. Part of boundaries is questioning what is in front of us if it make sense for our life, something that is robbed from people who are abused. Do you see where you have taken everything in summary here: Question absolutely everything on that list from your own perspective, Set your own boundary for if it make sense for you. Part of me wants to say there is bravery in doing what you are doing here but there is also trauma in asking others what you need to be. I used to find saying you are enough to victims of abuse, including myself, helped. Repeat that over and over, see if it lets some tears go. You don't need to be anything more or less than you are now. You get to choose, you get to discard or keep, which is why I understand you wanted to make sure the thread stayed open for example. Hope some of that helps. *If the words, I know this Blue Oak, come up or something like that, good that's the boundary showing **Also it occurred to me to mention the reason we don't want to put our foot down or show that side of ourselves can be because that's what our abuser's did.

A calm Eastern European perspective. So far lacking in almost every analysis i've ever seen. Russian, Slovakian and Polish speakers discussing the region in Germany. Their fears, military concerns, refugee concerns and historical preferences. Talking somewhat about the difference between western NATO and eastern NATO concerns.

Should have given you this, better late than never:

Re AI and Mechanics The more stress you are under the more mechanical your response. I dropped a video on the science behind that here: Its given me an understanding as to why being in a very relaxed loving state gives you access to the highest levels of perception.

There are just as many Nazi's in Russia if not more. Almost 2% of the last Ukrainian election according to wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Ukrainian_presidential_election If you really got honest answers from many countries you'd see this sort of ultra right presence in all of them, and these two countries share of a lot of culture and heritage. As for being dark, he's not going to be in any kind of relaxed or peaceful state of mind. His life is being threatened, several hundred assassins have been hired to kill him and people every day are coming to him and telling him children, families that are no longer alive. The world is closing in around the man and there is huge fear as people are starving or dying. The AI you are seeing is more a move into a survival response. That's why when people try to give higher reasoning to a war or a wider perspective it falls far short of making a bridge to end it. Its like you are looking into a black hole and time is different for those at the center. The reality they are in is vastly different from what you or I are experiencing. By the way you can employ that relationship to all stress, anger, fear and any other pure instinctive or egoic state of mind. The trick is trying to bridge to it while reaching it and not stopping short. *Also not losing the original intent too much.

Of course its all about world power or influence to many, not every leader thinks like that, for some its much more about quality of life. I think the smaller the state, the more this becomes its focus, and so they elect a leader that represents this. A federal europe just sounded much more appealing. How often have you done something even after you knew you shouldn't. How many leaders have to get voted out or removed by force before they step down? Sometimes people are overly selfish. People who want to lead, find it difficult not to lead, they shaped their lives around it. Leaders cling to power long after they should have stepped down. I think that's often the case. Even when in themselves though know its time to leave. >>>And he will naturally believe that even if the Russia people are influenced by the Wes to want to be more Western, that will weaken Russia because the West does not care about Russian sovereignty or strength. This was insightful into his mindset. Thank you.

@zurew You are correct I can feel I am lying to myself and inventing the fantasy I want to see rather than what is there. In part this is because of the deception given to the 'opposition' in a war, to make the case something is going to happen when it isn't. Interesting thing is I was feeling this a moment ago too on my own. Thank you for taking the time to break this down and persist with the truth. I am hopeful still that maybe people will seize on this to make a renewables case more loudly, that might be one positive. I do believe the UK has made good moves towards renewables, and will soon be selling more excess clean energy. I do believe when they say the remaining 11% of reliance on Russian gas will be slowly removed over the next year, no doubt stalling and toning that down as the time draws closer. *I think they planned a year but I don't remember the exact date.