BlueOak

One day every single observer here will realise they are cutting off their toe and wonder why we are still not walking right. Every ism is needed in balance. Including the dreaded demon of them all socialism. The one everyone has made out to be the villain so they can maintain a separation of their ideology, and structure their own version of what is right or wrong.

Dividing yourself? Human and Not Human.

Why can't god be a humble person in a chair, tending his plants, paying his bills and wishing everyone a happy day? Why does he/she have to be an all knowing spiritual guru that peaks behind the curtain to see reality before it happens? If you really want to you can put yourself back to your old states easy enough Though perhaps retain some looser distinctions or divisions, and for all us a want to keep the plant/tree parts of you from turning into a dry wasteland. That'd be great to sustain our dream. Cheers.

What I usually say to myself is, all there is, is observation. All I am is observation and I am everything I see, taste, touch, hear. I am also everything I don't. Everything that could be, that is, that was and will be. The realization of being nothing would be as powerful as being everything at once. Because we are both and both are the same. We split reality into pieces to observe it, not knowing the process of doing so is us, that understanding things are both the same and different. So we argue over the process, the separation, the distinctions. Seeing the differences is us. Experiencing the difference is us. Seeing the whole is us. Experiencing the difference is us. Seeing/experiencing the reflection of others doing this process is us. Reality shapes itself to us/them, for us/them, by us/them, through us/them. Us/them being everyone, the collective, all pieces of you in your mind.

No better or worse. No hierarchy. No Greater or Lesser. No Higher or Lower. Higher and Lower. Hierarchy. Better and Worse. Greater and Lesser. Nothing to penetrate. Everything to Penetrate. Form and Formless. All and None. Have a go*d. Day. All the best.

If there is nothing to observe. (Then I realise nothing would still be a state) If you are having an experience where you enlarge big enough there is no time and space for example, that distance is meaningless. Then you are still observing something. *If you have the experience where you become an emotion, so reality reflects that completely. Let's pick what I call divine love, and a cloudy white reality experience. Then you are still observing something. I should add I was considering this answer this morning, and this was what came up. That all my experiences have still been an observation.

Yes and things in reality, have definitions and meanings we assign to them to represent them to ourselves. So everything is conceptualized when its given form.

Yes. That's the point! Its stage two of a two-part process. We create ignorance. So we can then reveal what was hidden or not seen.

We are all ignorant and not ignorant. You, me, this poster, every single person you've ever met or will meet. All parts of yourself you reference or speak to. You can't see your own ignorance, that's the point, it's a blind spot yet to be revealed. So we are all ignorant. Most questions are answered before they are asked, I understand I see and interpret reality after it happens. I know this, I've experienced it. So I understand the greater I is not ignorant to everything that is knowable, because its creating it for me, through me, and as the greater mind I am also not ignorant. I understand both of these things are true.

@ChrisZoZo Knowing how you relate to anything you come across in life is a key. It is also a way to preempt or reshape consciousness directly.

Truth can be painful along with every other potential observation you can make about it. If you are fine with that, then your range of experience will be wide. No point avoiding or staying away from anyone.

@Yimpa How can anyone resolve things from any other place? You can wait for insight, see a message given in your consciousness (which is there for most questions before they are asked), work something out yourself, ask another for an answer. That's about it.

True. Words are a conceptualization.

We are in a time of consolidation. On a practical level of cost-cutting. Of removing the unnecessary. Standardization, structure, and repetition. You get the idea, this isn't a decade people on mass have lots of excess money in their pockets, excess time, energy, or a want to explore new things. This is a conservative time. Conservatives will be happier. I don't know how much longer it will last. We'll see. Probably till AI has at least been partially standardized into the modern world, the recessions are over, people are tired of repeating media, have less national fervor etc. These will be triggers to push the opposite direction. On a more general level, people who identify as liberals and conservatives have different things which make them happy. Their measure for happiness would be different. So unless you are using two different scales to measure these two ideologies on you won't get accurate results. Then there are things that all humans, regardless of how affiliated they are with an ideology, find happiness in of course.

The way to skip steps or traps is to resolve any conflicts you have in your life before they hit you in the face :D, or if you are less dramatic a person than me. Before they gently start prodding you to look at them. To clarify look at how you relate to anything you are hiding from or having difficulty with, and consider that relationship.

@SOUL Conversation requires a conceptualization of reality, to then pass that on to another person. Some of us are meant to open up that conceptualization, others to reinforce or close it. The interplay you are seeing is part of the dynamic that shapes an evolving reality.

People put themselves through suffering every day. Even knowing the result will be suffering. I envy your experience of the opposite. I grew up in a house of addiction and abuse. My brother takes opiates still (at middle age), well aware of the decades of suffering he has inflicted on himself as an example. We choose certain things that we know lead to suffering. Suffering itself can be addictive. Forming a heavy sense of self-identity. Also the pain of the trauma can be used to define a life, career, purpose, or at best raise consciousness. I am an abuse victim. This is an identity I sometimes step into to help relate to others suffering abuse, indulge an emotional state, or protect the abused part of myself. I can drop this into a conversation to remind myself of it and experience a small part of that trauma relived in conversation. Music. Film. Relationships or when advising others. I can go watch a particularly moving film that echos the suffering I experienced, feel it in the pit of my stomach. A very easy example is Good Will Hunting if you've ever seen it, its light and easy to watch. It contains a therapist and an abuse victim. Double the addiction or catharsis is watching a person reacting to the trauma, as is common currently on youtube, and feeling a small part of my own conscious experience brought to light in their own emotional reflection. Which is quite beautiful I've let much of this go over time, but I intentionally keep some of it. I intentionally hold on to the part of me that suffers as I feel incredibly protective over it. I formed the protective masculine identity that wasn't there in my childhood, inside myself. We can design our own suffering, even if the initial trauma was completely out of our control. *I'll drop this here. If any abuse victim wants to know what method I used for healing. Well life and getting honest with myself number one. As well as the completion process teal swans book. It was very good.

Thank you all for the thoughts @Ulax | @Michael569 | @Ninja_pig People's own experiences and opinions are probably the best thing to ask, when looking at careers like this. I appreciate it, and will keep an eye on the thread if anyone has any other experiences they want to share. Gratitude. Have a great day.

What careers in your experience help the most people? In any capacity that you've experienced. Thanks.

Do you have any data on this?

@Moksha By your definition yes. We are not separate they are you! We are not in a special box on this forum. That doesn't exist. They observe like you do. What you call the absolute is them/you/it/whatever. Then there is noise in the way, which clouds it. Okay they might not have looked behind the curtain and had an experience that explicitly defines a concept of larger ME in their mind but they see larger ME every day they exist. Maybe they don't need the experience, maybe they don't want the experience. What I have experienced they probably won't, they'll have their own realisations about life. As they do, I will too, because everything ripples out, and influences everything else. You having your experiences, us having this conversation is the stream I spoke about and nobody is out of that stream. There really is no separation, no end point either, no final absolute realization. Because tomorrow you are going to have another if you are open to it. Which, to me, was the point of the message in the thread. The second someone says ah I have it, they tend to say that's it. Maybe they write a book telling everyone that's it, and it becomes a religion. Meanwhile the stream they were in has become something else entirely.

@Moksha Thank you for this conversation The environment and collective support identity, they reward and encourage it. Using a role allows you to be the identity for anyone looking to engage with or in it. People look and say oh he's a X. Nobodies experiencing every possible detail/connection/aspect whatever of their consciousness at all times. You have a Plateau that you (and almost everyone here) keep referencing, it doesn’t exist. There is just a stream that keeps going, and it keeps changing direction, you see other things when it does. I experience what you say daily. Everyone does. There is a certain level of noise in the way for all of us. We do get in the way of ourselves. I let go of everything often. It gets me nowhere :D, but then there is nowhere to be. Unless I put on a role and go do something. I understand that what we focus on we magnify (because that’s all that exists). What is immediately around us always has some of that focus, it can’t not else we’d walk into a wall for example. I might want something to be another way but it isn’t. I can’t change the base of the tree, even if I look up and see how beautiful the leaves are Can I turn a boring job interesting by allowing it to be? Sometimes. Sometimes the room will be more vivid in color, the energy will be warmer or more comforting, the connections or interactions bring joy and synchronicity or I feel like I helped someone. But I cannot also escape that I am also stacking shelves, running a till, sitting in an office counting numbers, sitting in a chair waiting for work, looking for patient files in a cluttered filing cabinet, cleaning up a disgusting fridge, working with itchy fiber glass, looking at a factory floor that is itself a horrific energy/state. I can draw hundreds of meanings and connections from each of these events, some only come years later in another form. Depending on what I focus on, i could list everything above as having helped and hurt me in different ways. I could say they built a foundation, or wasted time or whatever observation I want to give it. It's just a stream of life coming at you.

@Moksha I'll give the otherside of the coin to. With distance you learn a lot. Without identity, you are much more open to things outside of that identity. You see the connections more easily, there is no resistance when the identity is perceived to be damaged in some way. A war would be much less likely to be fought or continue past its origin, the same with an argument, or perceived damage to that identity. Its an easier way to live. Things flow easier, life is more comfortable and peaceful. You are not constantly shattering parts of yourself or your consciousness into individual pieces. Right now I don't have the identities listed above, Except for the last one :D, but I can take them on if I need them and want to achieve a goal. I do use the identity of being from my country and also European, also one of family, but these are loose.

Generally speaking without identity there isn't the same investment in something. You can't for example take on the identity of a harder worker, or someone who is flexible, supports others, and thus looks good to an employer. This identity gets you a promotion, more money, more respect from the staff or at least the management. Stacking shelves. No. This made me laugh a bit when I first read the post. If you don't comply to strict rules and regulations working in a grocery store, you are out. The companies all actively want you to promote them as part of your identity. Different bosses have different tolerances but the rules of the company are still paramount. There is a constant want to leave inside of myself in these types of routine jobs, this usually starts within the first three months. Creating a series of books. I can get deeper into them using the identity of a writer, but yes you probably could without. There is more freedom and creativity there. Using identity I can immerse myself more fully in the role. I can put myself in the space using writing music, listening to lectures from writers, old connections for publishing, make new connections more easily. I'd introduce myself as a writer, market myself as a writer to an audience, go on podcasts as a writer etc. This would build the brand as an identity. - You can copy-paste this last part for all self-employed identities. As a student, it does depend on the teacher or program. There is more freedom there for creativity, but the rules for a student still exist. It helps to take on a certain amount of identity to socialise with the other students, become part of the programs at university, get your homework on time, take it seriously, work hard, and make that hard work part of the identity. For a Bus Driver I was meaning as a passenger. So i'll use that example. As a passenger I have to pay, respect where others sit, respect the rules of the company, and comply with the Bus Drivers' directives. It's a very temporary role and identity I take on for the journey, but its there. When communicating from a position as an employer, it would help to tell people what I am. Then build those things into the identity I have when working with them, and try and uphold those qualities as best I am able. These are conscious identities that benefit the role. For more frivolous identities. I have for example an identity of being contrary to authority, and I keep it because it makes me feel good. It gives me something to do in the daytime. I can at any time, engage in a video/discussion/film/activity about challenging labels, the government, a fantasy authority, a political identity in power, a boss, laws/rules, or a religious authority etc and feel good. Because this is about such a broad concept, and authority can come from almost anything, it is pervasive and it lingers in many things I do. If I remove it, I'll lose a lot of what makes me feel good Without these chosen identities life is hollow. It lacks the intensity of being without any ego whatsoever. I constantly see people on here saying well what now? Well you can choose to take on a role for a while, like a hat or a new pair of pants until you tire of it again.

Your Boss. Your Customer. Your Bus driver. Your Pet. Your Client. Your Patient. Your Friend. Your Social Convention. You. Me. Whatever it is. We take on a role and do it, depending on the rules that have been set to follow. Then we take off the role. Further than this. If i had taken on the role of boyfriend better in certain relationships i'd be with a partner. Same with employee. Same with writer, i'd have a series of books out now. Identity is an incredibly useful tool, that's why we created it. I can't stay in them for very long, but without them, pfft I'm next to useless in modern society. Is modern society an ideal construct no it isn't, but its not for me to tell everyone else that.