BlueOak

The more your survival is threatened the less time, need or want you have for seeing a bigger picture, because the here and now become what is critically important. You have to understand people at a minimum go back to what they are comfortable with when they are stressed, but when there is an actual potential to lose your life or at least for me to see war spreading over the continent, its considerably harder to then step back and do systematic thinking.

I'll only add that the kind of treaty i suggested was a possibility for mutual defense until about 24 hours ago. It would have been a potential compromise over Ukraine as well. Now its very much an us verse them moment for the years ahead.

You are probably right.

There is a better option. Defensive treaties that everyone, even Russia signs, which protect Finland and Sweden from attack by anyone, even those in the treaty. That would be an idealistic middle ground. Failing that yes. I realise this risks a greater war that even I may end up in, but without it territorial ambitions may extended to Finland at some point. We may be headed to a larger war anyway. I didn't see this day coming, I resisted seeing it, so now yes I am open to the possibility Finland, Poland, Romania and the Baltic states may see convential war. This is why you see such worried response from the baltic leaders, they obviously see it too.

I don't advocate for any of these, I don't see a solution I would personally want yet. However the alternatives I can see are: Ukraine being given Nato membership or defensive treaties but being disarmed. Ukraine being given free elections but being disarmed. Ukraine being split up into smaller states. Some democratic, some not. A Cold War with Russia A Berlin Wall type of situation. A Hot Convential War with Russia This conflict being done and that's finally it. Unlikely now. A long strategy: Europe Being less reliant on Russian Gas and isolating them to accelerate the countries decline until eventually their weapons no longer pose the same threat years from now. Nuclear War Assassinating Putin at some point quietly 10 years from now. A move within russia to topple Putin. Which people say is impossible but it depends how much the rich in that country are hurting because of his actions here. Watching while other smaller states are gobbled up by his territorial ambitions. That's all I have to mind, as I say I don't advocate for any of these. I don't see a possibility of Russia and Europe coming together after this. Not while Putin is the leader of that country. What he has done is, eliminate many options he had and fix himself on a somewhat predictable course toward war or isolation. You will be trying to tell people who have just seen their friends and family die, that we now need to be friends with the man who did it. Maybe you can do that when they rebuild after this is done, 5 or ten years after the war but anything you say will be insensitive at best and drowned out by understandable hatred and grief at worst. This hasn't sunk in yet for most people, and when it does a lot of hatred will come Russia's way. I talked to someone who dislikes america over here for example and he had completely flipped his position. There will be many years after this has been finished, a rightful hated and anger towards Putin and Russia.

Yes. There is a point where people have to accept their own actions. I too am also beyond fed up of people using other countries to justify their own behavior or policy. I used to see it in people all the time, I used to do it all the time when I was younger.

I hid my original post as I hadn't seen Leo had already commented on this. What you are asking is extremely difficult. They are currently in a warzone. The person in a fight/flight reflex fearing for their life. Mabybe try to put yourself in that mindset when you were fearing for your life, your families life etc. @Vynce My original post said people drop down into other spiral dynamic stages when they are threatened, strength, security, heartfelt emotion etc, so making a video on it would be extremely difficult for people to take right now. Maybe 5 years from now when we can look at it with some distance it'd be beneficial but right now with people dying its going to extremely hard for him to have any kind of rational multi perspective approach that's received as it could be later.

If I could have a suggestion it would be to get a few local people on board with this, it would probably help them focus on something positive right now when they need it most, to feel like they are contributing spreading the message. If you have any friends and family who need it, anything might help. Also if for some reason the power goes out, get a friend overseas to assist so it continues, someone you trust.

I actually envy you for keeping your head and doing what you can. You are probably handling this better than I would. My heart is with you and your people. Please be safe and please come back to us when you get throught this and tell us you are.

I am going to quote a post I saw on this video a second ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3CNZwHW3OA Please note these are not my words, but they raise a few points I had not thought of. 1 and 2 specifically, which will lead to a level of escalation, or negotiation to end the build up. I would add importantly 4, That russia might be trying to push the territory owned as the poster suggests, or instead the threat of it as a new negotiating position.

Wars beget wars. They push people into a fear mindset collectively, and into thinking about survival. It has some potential to spill into other former soviet states and you can see some of the baltic leaders expressing this fear. Blame gets let out, and people justify actions based on trauma. In that mindset yes its possible. Its still far more likely to be limited in scope. Unless Nato itself is attacked. Some potential flashpoints now are, the desire for other nations now to join Nato to protect them from this fate, the increased weapons that will now be sent to Eastern Europe, and some of the surrounding regions seeing border wars, as can happen in wartime. And of course Taiwan, which is coming very soon, and I want you to think in terms of the regional powers there, as that's where flashpoints are possible.

I've seen many stage yellow teachers expanding perception when they do speak or act. Especially with how people relate to the different organizations, individual and structures that exist in life. Spiral Dynamics is an example. I've also found the most personal development when I do this within myself, and the most glaring personal shadows when I resist and don't. I completely agree though I don't know better than you how to live your life, and that's why changing people is an uphill battle that I am not qualified to fight, and every time I think I can or do I rightly get burned. Its only how people relate or percieve the world that we can have any hope of influencing in others, like you are doing right here. All the best. @aurum

If you have people that can present information in a way others can accept, get the resources together to do it and the political will or other supporting organizations on board. If you are basing this off Leo's model, then use the model as a map to reach the groups on it. Treat them all as important but more importantly how they relate to each other. It is the relationships between these stages that can most easily be altered or tweaked, rather than the nature or the weight of many individual organizations and people in them. Finally it's not enough to have the solutions, even the resources for the solutions, you have to be able to take those ideas and disseminate them across the population in ways that meet them where they live, while reaching a large audience and building up enough trust that what you say isn't dismissed out of hand or ignored. For instance using speakers, personalities and charisma. Alternatively rather than tweaking broad solutions for the relationships between systems or organizations depicted on the spiral dynamics model, you can focus assisting the part of society suffering the most, because even helping those people a bit raises the quality of life present in the country or the planet. Which is where much of charity work is focused for example, making small hard won gains. This would lean into more green thinking but its still very valuable. I'd suggest you run it as a charity or foundation for tax breaks or donations and start there. *Or you can contribute toward things like the environment and addressing over population exclusively, the two biggest threats to our extinction, it depends on your goal.

@Barna I wanted to come back to this to say I read it at the time, and appreciated the time you put into it. So gratitude for it. I wasn't ready to give a response until now. I have distance, space between emotions and reality most of the time. I still feel emotional knots, pains and pressures that are the onset of emotion. Yesterday for example I hit a peak, started external and later in the night went internal to resassure my limpic body, and find parts of myself I am pushing away still. I have experienced space and become it in spiritual experience. But I struggle to fully be the separation you speak about, as I am both, this talking to you now and consciousness. Yesterday I realised living is enough, as long I live I observe and grow. I am a serious person that's part of this ego's personality, intense at times and overbearing at its worst. Its not a weakness its just a trait, sometimes intensity leads to focused understanding, effort, or strength for example when you need it. Othertimes it leads to self stubborness, self destruction and being overbearing on others. Accepting truth yes, I've done that more and more as the years go on. It leads to both being accepted by others but it can lead to apathy within powerlessness to change what cannot be changed.. While I am okay with powerlessness now, I don't resist what I cannot change near as much, it still leads to stagnation when its taken too far. I feel I am there, in stagnation and stubborness.

Thank you @puporing I had an emotional peak yesterday where I had to go through a few things. Usually I do this quietly to myself, not sure why I felt like sharing perhaps its as you say to be seen, vocalize. Its a balance of not doing this for its own sake or overindulging in it but still being with yourself or those difficult emotions when you are having a night of it. I never have been able to afford a healer or professional so its been a long process. Posts like yours are what helped and do help, videos where someone else said what I was feeling or thinking. I used to crave and manipulate for acceptance, argue for it, fight for it in an unhealthy way. Then I realised just by being honest and accepting yourself its often enough. Seeing it reflect in others because you are not pushing it away anymore and its accepted in you. Thanks again Take care of yourself.

Welcome. I remember one job a couple of decades ago where the boss was always telling me what I was doing wrong, always very full on. I was sure I was going to get the sack but then he turned around and offered me the business. Turns out he was the opposite of fragile, at the time I was fragile, I had no sense of boundaries or much self worth. That's the kind of person I would want, only I would want to stand my own more and argue with him. When I was a young kid 13-18 I was a waiter in a large busy resturant, same deal, everyone was arguing with each other all the time. The place went through 52 staff in a year and 5 bosses in 3 years. Looking back that was the beginning of me learning to get a thicker skin, to stand my own ground, as it was a shark pit until after work where everyone drunk together and blew off steam. Finally maybe watch films like Snatch. I am watching a reaction video to snatch right now in the background, opened before I saw this thread yesterday :D. Good synchronicity. This is a film about angry people, pushing each others boundaries in an over dramatic and sometimes funny way. Movies can however trigger emotions, which let us go through them from the comfort of a couch. It is very red humour. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snatch_(film) Here is the reaction if you don't want the full thing: Or find your flavor of red, I like humor too as you can put aside your ego naturally. Same with comedians, its just a bit of fun, so we put our egos and defenses at the door. *If you want the best Red and Blue series ever made, its The Wire. If I could advise people to watch one thing in their life it'd always be that.

The flip side being we need to have that kind of pull toward the parts of ourselves we push away.

Yes. The way we develop behaviors to cope or survive are many. The methods I have observed over my life that I have used where: Escape - Avoidance - Fantasy or Fiction - Being the helper to feel 'good'. Food. etc. Anger - Fight Manipulation - Control Breakdown - Freezing in Place Over Analysing - Control Anxiety - Worry - Outcome Worse we weren't even aware we were separate from the abusers as our consciousness and memory were not developed to that stage yet, so its all internalized emotionally and not known until we see it or have it pointed out to us. We go through cycles of behavior or live in reaction over and over. Its hard to explain to a mother or father why getting their kid away from an abuser is so important, as so many different behaviors can result and that kid will be living with them for the next 30-40 years, or perhaps all their life. With people who never understand why or even perhaps understand the behavior itself, and can't see it as a trauma or a wound they are interacting with.

No. I am more pessimistic now than I have ever been. If you can find anyway to create and earn off well grounded optimism do it. Now is the time.

Argue a lot with people who push your boundaries. Try to create boundaries in areas of your life until real ones exist. Try to work out what a natural boundary is by example of the collective (Blue), and draw on that experience in how you react to others. Red is about you. YOU. What you want. What you need. Leveraging collective experience (Blue) to put you first. Be selfish for awhile. Treat yourself. Gradually Learn how to treat yourself and be selfish without harming others. (Bit of Green but cant hurt :D). I had a lot of boundary issues from abuse, and still time to time find unconscious parts of myself that i am acting on for a reason not relevant to the conversation I am having. Identifying those triggers, traumas or wounds that stop you being you, why they exist, how they came about is crucial. How can you be yourself if you are not in control of yourself. Example: When you feel those knots inside or your chest getting tight, work out what just happened, if a boundary was actually violated or if its you responding to something from your past. 1) Strength, Exercise. Breathe. 2) What are you working on right now for you? How can you make it yours more. 3) Get around people who are not fragile. Who you can disagree with and stay with you. Support yourself (Blue) within others systems. In this model Red is great but its only healthy when its attached to blue. 4) Finally realise selfishness is selflessness too at times, and when you get to that point of realisation its okay to be Red, its a necessary important part of what you are. You may think it right now but until you get there in life its only a thought. I still have red shadow, nowhere near as much. Boundaries and the integration of selfishness are mostly done. Standing up for myself is done, and the severity required when I do is mostly done. This is red me talking :D. Me Me Me. Now You You You. Good luck! I would say work on procastination but I am terrible at it, so I will leave that for someone else to advise you on. *Oh and daily ritual you can rely on to build trust within yourself and begin to depend on yourself, for me that's the best part of purple in this model. As simple as exercise, to planning, to morning meditation etc.

Don't hate this. Its a mentorship effect and very useful for personal development. People put trust in and let their ego down with their mentor, which helps them take on what the mentor says. Even if I said it or you said, it would cause an egoic response. Someone who has helped them or reached a certain level of emotional trust or reliability etc. It does cause people to defend them perhaps more than they need, but that's completely understandable if you understand what I mean above. Its close to love, trust, letting people in, or making emotional connections, I realise its to someone you've not met. But heck people have been doing that toward products, companies and personalities for as long as i've been alive.

People who need help the most often have no money or are not willing to risk what little they have. Its a similiar more pronounced problem with psychiatrists, though people are acknowledging and look for ways around that. It still persists that the people who need or would benefit from help the most can't afford to get it in the first place, catch 22. *And yes @Egzoset You put that much better than I could. When we chop off what we don't like or hide it, it solves nothing, we never see the true or full picture of the problem.

I miss the style of spirituality that Nahm embodies. Its why I didn't connect with spirituality communities in the same way anymore. Sort of like a missing aspect of it, chopping off the non duality aspect. I felt it levelled me out somewhat. Of course its all your preferences, your house, your style, your rules. But if @Nahm reads this and tells us where he heads next, please drop me a mention as to where that is. I feel I benefit from both styles and could use less of a heavy handed, serious and/or material approach at times - within myself I should say.

You are projecting.

An egoic reaction to an egoic reaction is normality. Such as this one. Much easier to mock a reaction or belitte the person for having it, than to ask why such a disparity exists between deleting one video and the emotional reaction attached to it. This post is another example of the trait.