BlueOak

Lack of understanding of who/what you are. Fight - Flight - Freeze States or Triggers. Trapped traumas and Anxiety. Lack of willingness to endure pain/contrast between the change you want and where you are. Lack of willingness to go through the trials needed to remake you into that person. Emotional States. Focus. Your current patterns, including behavior and the above two. Peer-Group. Environment. Social Norms. Culture. Media reinforcement over your reflected local community. Relative prices and expenses. Ideology and Idealising. Overdone Sentimentality. Narcissism. Lack of structure. Eating and sleeping habits, general health etc.

That would be a requirement of the stage correct? The integration of your self-concept with the whole in the harmony of all the stages before it? *edit (You see how this is still framed as an individual let me flip it) The integration of the community with the self. That's better.

@Lila9 Its fun to know that science was once one of the mystery schools opening that one up led to a lot of development, it would be interesting to have more of them taught generally, which is what is in part being argued (against and for) here I feel underneath it all. That argument is as old as time and probably older. To embody turquoise more fully, I would need to follow the communal nature of this conversation. 1) An overbalance of faith and mysticism is suggested in a definition of turquoise. 2) A rebuttal of that, and speaking to look outward more to individuals already there for communal grounding. (A necessity of the stage) 3) A look at morality and development (of what I'll refer to as communal ethics) and a reminder that stages can embody elements of the other (touching coral there) 4) Implication that any present definition of Coral as an illusion (all reality is so that tracks). 5) Similar suggestions made about turquoise, and a rebuttal to not conflate the model with non-duality. 6) An assessment that values don't dictate a level of consciousness, and a description of spiral dynamics as being systemic (I'll say Yellow) in nature. I do feel SD does not adequately represent turquoise as not enough of humanity is there to model it on—certainly not Coral. This means not enough of me is there yet to understand it fully, or any of you unless your reality is reflecting much more information. I also have the nagging understanding that all these stages are already present within each other, and unfolded almost into the next, which this conversation touches on. It's not so much a stack of stages but a shape that keeps expanding. Turquoise would have to contain mysticism as much as it would environmental concerns, financial concerns, individuality, faith, survival, communal harmony, and systemic modeling etc. Keeping this communally focused: If any of these are rejected within the community, that's an unintegrated part of the community.

What reflection is more useful to you? Man or Machine? I just spent two hours calculating path commands with it for freecad. It would be less useful in finding equilibrium on social issues. It can be useful in better-defining positions, but not establishing them communally, or gauging the genuine reactions present from a community. Its a fantastic stage yellow creation and it makes me excited for what great minds will create when they next level up.

My gut also says leave now. Don't stay in a war zone unless you plan on fighting, if there is any other option. I know its a big disruption but its better than the alternative.

Fair. I think my reform score is lower than it should be, I've no problem with gradual reform, any more than I do sudden reform. Also i'd bump conservatism up 10-15% toward the 30's but not bad overall.

Let's simplify it. Outside your mind's reality: There is no truth, value or concepts that persist. No hierarchy to it. Only what can be communally agreed can be maintained in any form here. Infinity has no end or beginning, it has no size or shape. All you see is all there is to see.

Can you expand this? Thanks. Wu-Wei: Yes, effortless merging with reality can only happen meaningfully with a communal focus; it makes sense. Yellow has emotions, but they are individual in nature and can be overridden by the logical half of the mind. By post-systems thinking, I assume you mean less reliance on structured modeling of reality and more just going with it.

Obstacles and Gates. Pain and Contrast. Hope it helps. I think she's refining this concept more now which is something I made the case for and maybe someone agreed, or it just all lined up. If people have a basic level of success or financial stability they can afford to purchase additional programs, thus benefiting the community and her team.

Both stages have a recognition that all stages are in you and the community, but turquoise seems more communally focused. I just dropped one of these links off but I'll give three to have a look at. The one we are in now. If you see a thread and think that's not turquoise! Then that's a part of yourself you are rejecting, or unable to integrate (Yellow) in a communal form (Turquoise). One of the quickest and most painful ways to become more conscious is to go read something you dislike here and then reflect on the part of yourself, beating away in your own chest/mind you dislike. https://access.tealswan.com/home https://secretenergy.com/ https://integrallife.com/ If I were to surmise: Coral is the understanding everything is already coral, that's a ham-fisted way of putting it but I am not coral unless I enter an infinite love state again perhaps, and then I'll only partially be there at any one time. Which is exactly correct because the great majority of the planet is not there yet (and yet they are at the same time). All I've got down of Coral is: I am all. Everything is love. Everything is reflected in me (inside/outside same thing)

https://secretenergy.com/ *Please note I am not affiliated with the group, I was part of their community it in a previous form, so I cannot speak to how effective they are now, only that Sevan's videos are worth watching from time to time. But advice - practice acceptance of self before jailbreaking yourself

Yeah, I've been getting exactly that for not much longer than that, often while resting with my arms over while sleeping. Sometimes, it's intermittent, and sometimes, it's while sad. It's interesting to think that I may be carrying the sadness there specifically. I sleep in the recovery position that people put others in when they are injured, as it allows the best airflow, and weirdly as it rests the arms across the body it can irritate the muscle/heart in that area.

Everyone here is also stage beige. If they accept that part of themselves. My question is: What is fear?

For me: Reality = Patterns + Emotion + Thought and Action (Focus) + Reflection (Environment/Peer Group) I know people hate hearing it: You are the future. I repeat this so people don't fracture themselves as if it's a separate thing. It never is. Only in keeping exploring that concept do we reconnect with anything like what people are talking about here. The duality of free will vs fate doesn't exist in me anymore. There is just this. I could fold emotions into patterns or focus above, but neither would be fully true. Emotions can be focused or appear all by themselves, or be part of a pattern. Reflections can be due to focus, patterns, or emotions.

Putting large mammals aside that we can easily relate to, with trauma trapped in their nervous systems and memory. Even if we take an insect and pull off a leg, that will be a long moment of suffering. Further, you and I know I think that there is only this moment.

Let's flip it on its head then and make this very focused. Wanting to go back and change something is rejecting who you are. Wanting growth and exploration of you (existence) is the opposite.

Again saving 'me' would require the exact opposite. You don't save a self or a me by doing any of this. Existence is entirely dedicated to slowly doing the opposite. You have just chosen to come to a place to speed it up, and are experiencing contrast or resistance to it as the ego kicks back. My ego wants to kick back in a reflection, its been that kind of day for me. In whole and in part. If I was smart i'd wait till tomorrow to reply to you as it'll be a different one generated.

He's giving you the keys off the ride around again. Updated your last line: Maybe the real way to stop reincarnating is to all come together, stare at each other, and tell each other we don't exist until we stop existing.

The number one reason people reincarnate.

As another example, I did some meditation on healing the heart area for the second time, and I felt like it was vibrating very softly, where the nerves were being assisted. Much like a sound bath. I have mild pain in my heart area from time to time.

I find the parts of me holding onto patterns or emotions and integrate them using my own adapted version of teal swans completion process. (More direct and adaptive, less of a visualised routine). This can only occur when I am aware of them. This quite often has a physical symptom attached. Either it already exists and has come to my awareness or is a result of healing, the emotion, pattern or trapped trauma Tiredness. Soreness in a muscle, the ribs are common, but sometimes other areas like the chest. Headaches. Difficulty sleeping full nights. Mild Colds when you detox something out of the body. As an example 13 years ago when I turned on more of my emotional centers again, it felt like someone had ripped open the nerves in my chest for a brief moment. I did a visualization/emotional inquiry on the area of the ribs a few weeks ago, and that felt like they were expanding or trapped nerves were unclenching around them. That was a fear pattern, an anxious freeze response trapped in that area of my body. I distinguish less between physical ailments and emotional states less and less the more I do this work. The two for me are inseparable.

Yes. I've got energy to burn. Exercise + Yoga + Vegan Diet (light foods) + Don't eat before bed + Detox + Don't Drink/Don't Smoke + Retain sexual energy etc. Means I have a lot of energy. Yet still come 5 p.m., it's getting darker and it's a push to keep going after work and housework is done. I was going to post something similar actually as I feel jaded more than tired, things are always slower than I want, perhaps the topic I need to talk about in another forum. But know at least you are not alone, we all have these struggles at some point. It helps to have a non-creative job if your side business is creative though, I've found that out before and again now.

Oh and if you want the paradox to close (a duality). Bliss/Suffering. Ignoring yourself or the bits in pain probably won't integrate them into a healthy life, but other times changing focus is enough to put you on the right track.

Going Meta. You are the universe observing a physical human walking around that you call your'self', or in this case the dude. If you feel you have no control and focus on that, you'll have no control. If you feel its a struggle for control, it'll be a struggle for control. If you feel like you have no influence and focus on that, you'll have no influence. Whatever feeling state you are in is directly manifesting around you, influencing the patterns running through your life, changed by our own perception and filters, and then renewed by our actions. Often we are unconscious of this but you've put this text here to tell yourself that you are now becoming more conscious of how you shape reality. You are seeing a series of patterns repeating in a cycle, that's how infinity is observed in physicality. You focus on the parts of the pattern you wish to observe more of, acting on them to recreate it. Never start to say well if I am the universe, why can't I win the lottery or some other odd language. Because its 13 million to one in the UK, that's why. You are those odds too. What you'll feel is the contrast between one pattern and another, and that's often called pain or discomfort when you want to make a change.

Having faith in you is extremely important. You'll see it showing up more in your reality. An all-powerful intelligence wasn't just watching your self-concept: It is you watching yourself. You still have separation between you and you, where none exists. The self concept you have is inside your observable reality, but not you watching the reality. We find these separations throughout this kind of introspection, often they can be quite subtle at times. The harder bit you'll soon realise is, nobody was responsible for any suffering you've been through but you. That's the bit that's tough to take or understand at first, because we live long enough we experience suffering. It can be enough to repel people from this realisation at all. We can want to point at the illness, or the abuser, or the tyrant and say no that was responsible, but they are all you too. Try not to slip into identifying with the self again when realising this, so you don't start blaming a self that doesn't exist, because talking about 'yourself' and 'you' (or the self and the I AM) are two distinctions its helpful to keep in conversation while going through this, even if they too must eventually collapse together as one whole in practice and understanding.