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  2. Posted · Edited by The White Rabbit

    9 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

    Feelings, feelings, really feelings? Nuh uh. You are mistaking thoughts for feelings. Those are thoughts. Thoughts that aren't true. That feeling is saying nope to them. Duped. You been duped. Feeling is now. Now. Now. Now. Now. Now.

     

    Now.

     

     

    Now.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Still now.

     

     

     

     

     

    Only now.

    It happens that in the now, while the present moment in actuality is peaceful, an emotional reaction in my body isn't.

    I am subject to negative emotions overtaking my body due to some triggers. In this circumstances, there is nothing to do but to witness and accept it. But I don't always manage to do so, because sometimes, I trigger emotions which seem too strong to cope with and generate a thought emotion loop.

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    46 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

    Spiritual bypassing is just putting thinking over feeling. The only way I can bypass, resist or seperate is by thinking.  It's the same old thing, believing a thought that feels off over listening to the feeling. Spiritual bypassing itself could become a thought that isn't resonating, rather than a helpful term. I don't abide by rules. I don't live in time. I don't have a painbody or a self concept outside of practical thought and language but this isn't because I did anything to get rid of them, you already don't either. This is already the case, prior to thought, except for maybe there are thoughts believed that it is otherwise.

    But I am quite sure emotions can be off as well, and these find their root cause in a thought. Often the real thought is hidden, clouded by self deceiving ones.

    My problems seems to be more on an emotional level that at a thought level, which is why I am interested in the painbody. How would you deal with recurring feelings of low self-worth, shame, fear of being unloveable and flawed?

    In anyway, thanks for your help and commentaries. It's helpful.

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    4 hours ago, Nahm said:

    Change = experience. 

    Fair enough.

    But that relative truth was trying to express another aspect through that, I think.

    4 hours ago, Nahm said:

    Shift from the focus on thoughts about a self, to receiving the guidance of the emotion. 

    What if the emotions comes off as panic, about let's say getting insane from the experience?

    “The psychotic drowns in the same waters in which the mystic swims with delight.”

    It doesn't feel good because it isn't true, but the emotion feels like sheer horror. What should I do?

    Perhaps I am going to book a session with you to help me with all that stuff.

    4 hours ago, Nahm said:

    You will, and it will rock reality. 

    :)

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    18 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

    To be honest the painbody concept helped me, not to understand myself so much but to let go of some of my expectations for others behavior towards me. It was also very helpful for a close friend with her marriage. The concept helps you realize that they aren't volatile assholes, that they are believing a lot of thoughts about themselves that aren't true. It's a lot better label to put on someone than calling them a narcissist or giving them some other label. Sometimes a label or diagnosis helps us to let go of judgement about ourselves or others. Sometimes it is the judgment itself and holds the unwanted condition in place. For example the identity of being someone who experiences depression can create the resistance to it which IS the depression. The belief is that I am the one who is depressed, rather than "oh, that's a a thought that feels really off, ok, yuck, that's not true. Can I focus on something else, right now?? Ok, I'm going to really look at this tree as if I've never seen it before."

    None of us can condone or condemn terms and labels. Just use words like tools, use them for good, not for smacking yourself with. Just don't get man with a hammer syndrome, and hold it over your own head, waiting for the hammer to fall.

    How do you find a balance between this and spiritual bypassing? Don't you have a painbody and still a self-concept?

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    4 minutes ago, Nahm said:

    @The White Rabbit @Zeroguy :x:x

    There’s no change, sans less thinking / thought activity / confusion / discord / suffering. No self is not an achievement, nor a concern for a a self. 

    But there was a change in experience. An uncharted territory until then on an empiric level. 

    I agree there was no achievement there. The concern has probably been triggered by pragmatic consideration which got me to worried if my environment would still accept me and vice versa.

    8 minutes ago, Nahm said:

    In shifting focus away from believing the thought ‘I got worried’, or ‘I worry’… to the willingness to acknowledge & understand worrying is an emotion, which is felt now or not at all and never in a future… real-time live guidance which is telling you something so to speak, about the thoughts presently focused on in relation to what you want… is received… and inevitably… a great lion roars. 

    A trigger inducing worrying as an emotion was too strong (too low on the emotional scale maybe?) and perhaps I still have too much stored emotions on this frequency in the body.

    You also recommend to alchemize them out through expression...

    What is that great lion? I didn't get it ?.

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    “It is an accumulation of painful life experience that was not fully faced and accepted in the moment it arose. It leaves behind an energy form of emotional pain. It comes together with other energy forms from other instances, and so after some years you have a ‘pain body,’ an energy entity consisting of old emotion."

    I just found an interesting definition of what the Painbody is through Google. I am unsure if it was given by Tolle or someone else.

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    “The pain-body wants to survive, just like every other entity in existence, and it can only survive if it gets you to unconsciously identify with it. It can then rise up, take you over, ‘become you’ and live through you. It needs to get its ‘food’ through you. It will feed on any experience that resonates with its own kind of energy, anything that creates further pain in whatever form: anger, destructiveness, hatred, grief, emotional drama, violence and even illness. So the pain-body, when it has taken you over, will create a situation in your life that reflects back its own energy frequency for it to feed on. Pain can only feed on pain. Pain cannot feed on joy. It finds it quite indigestible.”

    This one is from Tolle, in A New Earth.

    It all comes from an article I have found which was bridging the two notions together, vaguely. It also has this element:

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    An American Cherokee is said to have taught his grandson about life thus: “A fight is going on inside me. It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves. One is evil—he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority and ego. The other is good—he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. The same fight is going on inside of you—and inside every other person, too.”

    The grandson is said to have thought about the matter for a minute and then asked his grandfather: “Which wolf will win?”

    And the old Cherokee simply replied: “The one you feed.”

     

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    On 04/12/2021 at 5:40 AM, Mosess said:

    Noticing and becoming aware of your shadow will produce pain in the body, which needs to be released through sitting, feeling, accepting, and letting go

    Thank you for your answer, even though it wasn't exactly what I was expecting.

    I agree that getting stuff out of the shadow is rarely coming without uncomfortable sensations-

    21 hours ago, okulele said:

    yeah, they are the same. If you are not conscious of the pain of your pain body right now, it means that it is uncosncious.

    Right, I think so too. The Shadow gives signs especially on trigger points, and the pain from the painbody get also activated in the same way. The Shadow seems to me more related to the mind based reason while the painbody is merely the emotional flavor/residue left.

    One never knows why the painbody is there (what triggered it on the psychological level) but feel it.

    18 hours ago, mandyjw said:

    If you are feeling bad your thoughts are not clear or true. They are not to be taken seriously. There is no entity behind thoughts, there is no possessor of thought. 

    This is true.

    But the reality I am currently experiencing is not egoless, and I live with a false self with whom I am identified most of the time. The Shadow and Painbody, in these circumstances come as a valuable framework to work with for those who aren't operating at an enlightened level.

    15 hours ago, Nahm said:

    Belief… vs direct experience. Past & identity, as compared to this. 

    This is true.

    Same comment as above apply.

    Though, reading your comment has caused me a momentary conceptual self concept annihilation earlier today. I totally freaked out at the end of the experience. ?Living without a self your usual daily life is a radical change and I got worried I couldn't sustain it without everything around me crumbling.

    3 hours ago, Zeroguy said:

    @Nahm Much Love and deepest respect possible for full embodiment and your full service.

    ❤️?(Honestly I hate this emojis) Truth. 

    I second this.

     

  13. Posted · Edited by The White Rabbit

    What a day...

    On the inside level, I went through a crazy journey despite not having left my living room. :)

    I recognized earlier (in all actuality- not merely as knowledge) that all self-reference based thoughts were lies. And that self-reference based believes are a though gatekeeper.

    So it resulted in the disappearing of "me". There was no more "me" in my experience. I, as a concept of self, was gone. Nothing was ever about "me". Me didn't exist. Beliefs, thoughts and emotions had no ability to stick around because no one was there to get tied to them. It was just, actuality, and occasional mind activity bubbling up.

    It lasted for a while. Until something triggered my fear of being perceived as insane. Painbody out, sub-entity pops out, I get scared. Back to selfhood.

    While the state I had experienced was blissful it was rather uncharted territory and it got enough to trigger at me some fear. And I am afraid in general at the proximity between the psychotic and the mystic. I think I am ultimately very afraid at losing my sanity or at being sort of delusional. 

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    “The psychotic drowns in the same waters in which the mystic swims with delight.”


    ― Joseph Campbell, Psychology of the Future

    I think that it is safe to assume that I am psychologically very average. As it is said often, insane people do not realize they are insane. I merely have fear of becoming insane, which is probably very common for people experiencing mystical states. Someone like Teresa of Avila had the same concern.

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    I am : the vehicle through what experience unfolds itself.

    I is the thing through what life unfolds. 

    Therefore, all what happened in my life happened through I.

    I is my biggest treasure.

    All the rest is an epiphenomenon, even though because it is still inside myself, I love it as much. But in a relative way.

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    According to Tolle, the painbody is made of negative energy stored in the body as a result of past traumas and become entities in their own rights.

    Until either ego transcendence or integration, these fragmented part of our personalities take possession of someone's thoughts and emotions through a trigger.

    Here is quote by Eckhart Tolle which just caught my attention:

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    “The pain-body, which is the dark shadow cast by the ego, is actually afraid of the light of your consciousness. It is afraid of being found out. Its survival depends on your unconscious identification with it, as well as on your unconscious fear of facing the pain that lives in you. But if you don’t face it, if you don’t bring the light of your consciousness into the pain, you will be forced to relive it again and again.”

    To me, it comes extremely close from this quote here by Carl Jung, who's known for popularizing shadow work:

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    “Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate.”


    ― C.G. Jung

    Does anyone have an idea how shadow work and the concept of painbody are connected together?

    Shadow work seems to me basically focused on a technic on how to get the stored energy out through removing the veil between the conscious and the unconscious, while the painbody theory describes the possession of an individual through that energy. Any other thoughts?

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