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Teal Swans a strange one, not sure if shes beyond turquoise, but anyway theres been enough threads about her. Id say Lisa Cairns, Pema Chodren, theres more but not coming to mind

Ultimately, without being too simplistic, if you have a society where anyone can carry guns there will be problems. I can't see how a society, especially one with wealth inequality amongst other issues, can both have guns and not have issues around guns.

This is a big part of it, if the guns were reduced i think police would be less on edge, there would be less police shootings etc. But its such a big business in the US i just cant see it happening. I mean kids literally get shot at schools and they still dont consider it, in fact a solution ive heard is more guns and training for teachers. Ive been stopped a few times and at no point did i fear for my life, it was an annoying situation but thats it. I would argue with them and question why theyre doing it but i dont fear any violence from them. Obviously i know if i was to insult them or swear at them or resist they would arrest me. I cant imagine what i would be like to genuinely fear for your life from the police, that Castillo shooting was horrible and speaks to how unnecessarily tense guns make routine situations

I know what youre getting at, but i just think in any other context of a man shooting another man in the back, take away the uniform, its a heartless act. Now is being in the police and being able to kill without consequence a big factor of course, but that shouldnt be the case. Like you said if it was your dad it would be the worst day of your life and you would see all the ways it couldve been avoided. Fair enough there are situations where its unavoidable but this for me couldve been avoided. I think we should have compassion that this man couldve been someones father or husband or brother or whatever. I think if you would have compassion for your dad in this situation and are able to look at how this could be avoided, you should have compassion across the board.

Im surprised its even 6.6 guns per 100, of course i get that police have to have guns in the US (gun control is an issue by itself) but my point was that if they let him go while he was running away, so what? They had his car he wouldnt have got very far, there was cctv, they had his details, he wasnt really violent so just let him go and pick him up later, thats what they probably wouldve done in the uk. Im also thinking that part of it is pride like the cop didnt want to 'lose' the situation, of course its speculation but i think it could be true

Here in the UK officers dont have guns generally but have tasers, many suspects run away and are apprehended later through cctv or whatever else, nothing is lost by not shooting them.

Say your dad for example was involved in this situation, try and imagine your dad being gunned down by the cops whilst running away with a taser, would you have the same perspective?

Either way, i wouldnt want a police force that assumed i or anyone, was a violent sociopath who was likely to rape people using a taser, just off the bat. It has to be guilty until proven innocent and ultimately the job of the police is to protect and serve, that can mean protecting the person from themselves if that situation occurs. Of course if the person is attacking or reaching for a gun then yeah i understand lethal force but aside from that, if someone is literally running away, i cant see a justification for it. Would you shoot a dog that was running away? I mean look at this one, its so over the top -

I agree with you completely, ultimately this is the route humans will have to talk to evolve and it has to be done on an individual level. I dont know Brazil to well, most of my knowledge is from football and the film 'City of God', but i assume its red/blue with some orange and green. So it would be a big jump to get up to what youre talking about, although i would love to see that, i never understand why some of the things you mentioned arent taught in schools. But from a more blue perspective, do you think some kind of policies could be implemented or anything could be done about the current violence, or its just a case of letting it play out because things are improving as you say

Exactly, do you remember the uproar when Harambe the Gorilla was killed? The police or the public will not bat an eyelid at this human being killed, so obviously the compassion is there but as you say its reserved for beings who seemingly have no control over their actions and are just following their nature or reacting out of trauma. But how many humans have had trauma or how many humans are just acting out in the moment without thinking, it also assumes we have free will, which is not exactly true. There can be literal trauma to your brain that affects your decision making or even you were born with a certain kind of brain that reacts unpredictably or you received psychological trauma in your life that affects your reactions. There are so many variables out of your control that to shoot to kill just seems crazy, especially considering the compassion and uproar that probably wouldve happened if it was a lion or a dog or a gorilla. I dont think its good enough anymore just to say it was police policy.

Nah if the persons running away, with a tazer or not i dont think it should shoot to kill. I get that hes playing with fire and shouldnt have done it but to me its not a death sentence. He wasnt being arrested for a violent crime, just let him go or taze him if you can, or even shoot him in the leg. But i dont think the cops were in that much danger that they had to shoot him. If a dog attacks you without drawing blood and then runs away its a bit extreme to then chase it and kill it, let alone a human. I think it just speaks to the police culture that this is considered normal or by the book.

Do you think theres anything structurally within the whole system that could change the level of crime? Im just asking because although the police maybe stemming the tide at the moment, it cant go on like that forever

Theres no question there needs to be police reform in the states, the whole way its setup as you say, with the unions and merits does not make sense for an organisation thats serving the public. If you look at this video below the defensiveness of the union chief really shows the pervading attitude of the police. I do have sympathy because it has been set up in this way for so long, so i wouldnt even necessarily put it on the individual officers but whoevers in charge of keeping the system going really needs to look at it. Has been very positive in terms of people power recently, ive always been down on politics as i dont think the people have much power, but recent events have shown me that there is power there, through the fear of those in charge. One thing we have to be careful of is trial by media or public scenarios, that maybe an issue going forward but im still hopeful they can get the right, for the people, leaders in place. Thought this was funny and thought provoking as well -

Policing is hard work, theres no doubt, an officer that goes by the book and does a great job with compassion, day to day never really gets the public recognition they should get. However there are glaring problems that make it hard to be a 'good' cop. The police dont really have any culpability, so officers can shoot and kill someone and more than likely will get off, there are 1000 police killings per year and and from 2005 to 2017 only 80 were arrested and only 28 were convicted. Theres 50 -100 unarmed killings per year and only 4 were convicted, so essentially they have a license to kill. On top of that the police culture is very much like a gang in that they will defend each other, even lie or at least not 'rat' on a fellow officer, if they were to do so they would get a hard time from their colleagues and most likely have to leave. So this creates a situation where your allegiance is to your fellow officers over the public you are supposed to serve. This will be an issue with humans in general especially with a job like policing, im not sure exactly how you would get around this. Add to that limited training, both in general police duties but also in things like compassion, addiction, mental health, which are situations that police usually find themselves in. I think it calls for some rethink of how the police work. Theres also issues with police having to police communities they dont really understand, for example a white cop from the suburbs having to police and inner city predominantly black area, that would be very difficult. Of course the gun culture is underlying issue as well which makes everything a lot more dangerous and i think would put officers further on edge, knowing anyone they stop could potentially have a gun, this isnt the case in Europe for example. So all this is really a recipe for trouble and it no wonder problems are happening. You teach people how to be killers and give them a license to kill then bad things are going to happen, imagine that % that are racist or prejudice as well and how that plays out with all these factors

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i think that all cultures looking to build need a common goal to fight towards. Americas concept of freedom is very romantic and probably exciting at the time it was conceived but in reality its just another way to get people working for the rich people above them. Its more insidious because it gives people hope that if they just work hard enough theyll be like the rich people that are lauded in American society, this works really well for the government because if they do become rich, great, if they dont they still work themselves to the bone trying to get there, its no coincidence that America is one of the only countries in the world without a statutory paid work leave. Aside from that things like the pledge of allegiance and American exceptionalism, work as a way to indoctrinate people that America is undoubtedly the best country in the world and that patriotism is important. If a country were truly free i dont think theyd need to drum it into their citizens so much. As was said before youre free to agree with them and free to be ostracised if you disagree. But i do find the concept of freedom in America quite fascinating, in our current world i think the only true freedom you can have is mental freedom and i would say America is trailing behind in that.

Guardians of the galaxy 2

Yeah nice analogy, so in theory you'd want to create a space that if people enter they could learn and improve from. The only issue being that space would have to be majority let's yellow people on this case. If any others hold the majority yellow will be labelled within that context and any nuance yellow points have will be missed. In practice what happens is that if a thread is mainly green and yellow and even orange, when someone who is blue or even red comes in they can't grasp that its not a binary situation of people that agree with me and people that don't. They think because everyone doesn't agree with them that those people don't get it and are just liberals for example or have been brainwashed by some opposing movement. What makes it worse is that they believe themselves to be yellow so they think their opinion is completely independent. It's this unawareness which makes it hard to talk, if everyone comes in willing to learn there's no problem no matter what stage they're at

I'd like to think I'd attempt to stop it but I don't think I'd get too far with the 4 cops. I have argued with police before but here in the UK so americas a different ball game. But if I was to let it happen it wouldn't be because of some higher thing of letting nature play itself out, it would be because of fear, hopefully in the situation I could overcome it but who knows ??‍♂️

In recent weeks im sure youve been aware of all the George Floyd and black lives matter news thats been going on. This has sparked a need in me, being mixed race and going through racism in the UK, to look into the issues around black people in the UK and what can be done to help. I was very aware of it previously and had a period where i looked into how a white dominated society came about and what the effects of such a thing would be, at a time i was very passionate abut it, maybe my green side or stage. Last few years ive been more interested in non-duality and had many amazing insights and my perception has changed about life in general. However I have felt i needed some higher cause to help, at the moment i make money with things like amazon fba, so although fine and pay the bills theres nothing really past that. But even this ive come to terms with an said to myself ill go with the flow, if something else comes up that makes sense ill flow with that. So with all the racial stuff going on its taken me back to the type of mindset i was in before and i would like to help out where i can. I think the underlying issue and what can really make a change is as always awareness, in 2 parts 1. helping white people be aware of the system that they live within and how that effects people who dont look like them negatively. So they can understand these people on the same level as them and will not so easily ignore the advantages they enjoy at others detriment. 2. For black people to know their own self worth and understand that they are worthy of equal footing with white people and dont need to do things like bleach their skin or straighten their hair. To do this some kind of education would be needed, could be work seminars, community talks, talks at school etc. I feel this could help. The reasons why i dont want to do it is because although at the moment ive revived my passion for it, its not actually my main interest as i said im more interested in non-duality and self-actualization and i also think there are many speakers out there doing this that are better at it than me and have an audience. I have little experience public speaking so im not even sure if ill be good, but still i would like to try. Although ive looked into it quite deeply, i have no formal qualifications in it and there are many that have studied this and are experts. My thinking was that i consider myself to think in a more systems way so im not sure if others would approach it the same way as me, so maybe that could provide something new into the mix. Another way to do this would be a podcast or something. So i guess what im asking for is just some advice, its like i want to do it but it feels a bit daunting and im also thinking i might be limited by it, as in i cant talk about things i most want to talk about, i dont know, what do you guys think?

@Average InvestorThanks for your feedback. You might have a point when you say that this will die out with the older generations, I think in general it's younger people that have been protesting here, so in theory they're already on board for change. However I feel there could be something there in terms of empowerment for young black people. System wise there are glaring issues but these would have to be addressed in the political sphere, which I could look into these further and see if there's anything possible there. The other thing is that there's a lot of money that's been raised for blm, and in general people to back things that provide positive movement for black people, so there is money available, I'm not interested in the money personally but in terms of being able to fund something good. I don't know how long this goodwill will last though

This is true but would depend on the context of the situation as well as the person conveying that message and the person receiving it, for example if someone is saying naturally we are selfish and therefore we should be right leaning, then it would be important to point out that the idea of right or left is illusory and created therefore it cant inform our human nature and you should research into human nature which itself is constantly evolving. I do take your point that it could be used as a weapon but that would depend on where you are on the spiral, all positions cant be held onto tightly as then it will lead to a fruitless debate so politics should be seen as illusory but worked on within the awareness of that.

If you give options it becomes a conceptual thing in that you are choosing what you think is the highest love. So what you would do is try and have awareness in that situation and whatever you feel to do you do it. There will be blocks in terms of fear of what the police will say or that you might be arrested or shamed on camera, but this are mental blocks and if you can feel your way past these you will get to ultimate love at which point youll probably do something. Think of it like this, when you were at school you maybe saw a kid getting bullied, maybe you didnt help, what stopped you was not you not wanting to help but the repercussions if you did help. If you give into ultimate love you will almost have no choice but to help. You might make the argument of what if you saw a snake attacking a rabbit in the wild, should you save the rabbit? Well in that case it is natures balance because if you save the rabbit that might kill the snake as he wont have anything to eat. But in human cruelty that is very different and i think we are they only species thats intentionally cruel to ourselves and animals for some kind of pleasure or power, in which case it doesnt need to happen and if it can be prevented it should be

Keeping going, don't even worry too much about the spiral, just be aware of it and make the most of wherever you are at your life. I can see great self awareness and that's really important, so good stuff