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I've been trying to find it for few years now haha. Now that you say that you reminded me of this quote what you seek is seeking you — Rumi one of my favorites perhaps I just helped you with your search ???

Well why don’t you contribute with something profound and mind blowing yourself then to shake things up

You just haven’t found one profound enough ?

For me it was weed edibles. It’s a pretty ridiculous story I still laugh at it today . I don’t understand how I fell for it so hard?I lost around 850€ too through f*cking bitcoin now don’t ask me how it got to that amount ???? NEVER again Life lesson for sure

That is interesting. Recently in particular my body awareness has deepened and I’ve had some energetic shifts which seem to me connected to the chakras and also the nervous system so it does ring a bell for me what you’re saying. This human vessel seems quite holistic so everything is connected. And it is mysterious indeed so idk either what all of this is about. But I agree there a major component is how this visualizations affects your state in amazing ways.

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I can imagine. I tried labeling a short while and it was the least grounding technique ???didn’t get me deep into relaxation at all. just mind moving around

That’s great I noticed. I also have some of that so I can understand wish u best regarding working w it

Mm I agree there that’s definitely something that’s great about it. It doesn’t even have to be a specific set time, I see meditation as always accessible in a way you can just take some deep breaths here and there and just feel into your body wherever you are Now I don’t follow any specific practices like a set routine it’s very intuitive and spontaneous, like you said yourself how you started to meditate spontaneously, but for example for some reason I have this impulse to visualize so that I’ve done a lot especially recently which has affected my default state positively. And I tend to contemplate quite a bit but that too is usually very spontaneous . now that I read your post again it reminded me of myself if I’m not wrong here. I also had this period of maybe 2 year daily meditation and I also didn’t really experience much progress and it seemed like the force of my thoughts were just too strong for me to stay in that wakefulness for long. It was more a temporary effect it seemed. The way I see it is that this loud mind isn’t just neurotic nonsense it reflects things like problems you have and desires , the state of health of your system etc. Essentially the mind isn’t purely this detached thing it reflects something deeper. So for me during the time I had a bit of this social anxiety that felt like my biggest problem. So that was contributing to this strong noisy mind, and yes meditation can help with that. But for me it was like it didn’t feel like the most ~direct~ method. So I stopped the practices and focused more directly on what I felt was my problems in life, and took action there and contemplated that etc and kept doing that. Always sensing in myself , what is my main problem/desire now, and giving it my all. Some people call it “burning through karma” or maybe “exhausting lower desires “ etc but for me I don’t really see it like that. Because it sounds like it is detached from the spiritual process like first you do the ~lower~ stuff then you get to the deeper but for me that is all part of the spiritual process and my mind has just gotten more and more clear and meditative since then, and my life more spiritual, consciousness “higher” even more than when I used to meditate. This last thing is a bit of speculation but I also see it as if you have a loud mind, depending on the content, it can be a sign that your mind is still connected to the world and need things from the world to maybe fulfill desires or resolve problems . So this meditation is trying to shut this mind in isolation but it can be almost like suppression. Instead I worked very intimately with my mind. Like a person screaming at you to do something, and they won’t shut up until you do. Kind of, so seeing your mind as your friend as it reflects something in you, so the end result is the same, higher consciousness more stillness of mind but it’s different approaches. Ok this got kinda long I got a bit carried away but I hope you gain something from it somehow

Ok I see My journey unfolded very differently and meditation stopped being a part of it several years ago that’s why I said it just in case to open other possibilities but if it seems right for u then that’s great??

Yea I see your point I mean more if it doesn’t work for you then maybe you don’t have to continue at all with it instead of trying to improve it because I feel some people get stuck in beliefs that they neeeeed to do certain spiritual practices to get somewhere because it’s preached everywhere

Sounds like a limiting belief to me Idk but I stopped meditation several years ago and I lost nothing . Maybe try something else?

This doesn’t make sense to me. It sounds like there would still be a sense of self left that feels real and important and is reacting to something negatively thus not having realized it (not saying I have) but just kind of reacting to some idea in their mind or something idk but my experience of my myself and others is deeper than just something that can be shaken by making such a consideration. I could sit and contemplate what you said and it wouldn’t change the fact that when I’m around my family I have some sense of presence about myself and them.

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Now we getting into cringey territory but hey since you asked ? Well the center of the visualizations being my ideal self, in relation to others Now don’t ask me why since I don’t fully understand the mechanisms of it myself although I have some theories There’s a term “maladaptive daydreaming” which is what some call it when this tendency to daydream interferes with functioning it was a bit dysfunctional like that in the past but I can say before my awakening experience I would resist this impulse to daydream/visualize (it’s an impulse not really a conscious decision like “let’s visualize”) because I saw it as a waste of time . But then after the shift I noticed how it did something special to my state so I embraced it fully and have experienced profound healing and change in default state since . So it does something I can say for sure but I would say it works best when it’s an ~impulse~ one has, not some conscious decision regarding the music . It can be all kinds of music. Everything from afrobeat to slow ballads

Was just thinking something along those lines

@framu Oh ok. Yea it’s usually very vivid just like you said. But I have always had strong visual thinking skills I believe so maybe that contributes probably. Didn’t know it was connected to those things you mean the chakra also? I totally agree with it switching off the fear and resistance! I don’t do scripting but I tend to visualize to music I’ve naturally just done it all my life and it does just that like pure magic. Once again don’t understand fully the mechanisms. And I agree it’s not that it guarantees the exact outcome but more about it creating a better foundation for you to build from and go after what you want. Like those methods in your analogy being a foundation for better outcomes in general

It is possible to dissolve that dense fearful “barrier” that is social anxiety without psychedelics but it requires intense ~attention~ to it and all that it is associated with. So I’m guessing maybe usually you’re strongly identified with it but then with psychedelics you become more conscious of this fear aka you’re more separate from it and see it for what it is so that allows it to dissolve and flow through undisturbed . So this is kind of the goal so if you occasionally go into social situation without psychedelics pay full attention to this fearful barrier and all of its associations. So how does it make you behave (maybe looking away from people, changing your body language to more tense), what thoughts and images are associated with it, what limiting/false beliefs are associated with it. Just tracing it constantly live in real time and noticing how it expresses itself and you might naturally find sort of counters to it like if you notice you compulsively look away you might push yourself too keep eye contact or if you tense up you might relax your posture or if you notice beliefs you have that put pressure on yourself you might loosen that etc etc basically slowly but surely breaking this barrier apart by breaking apart all the things keeping it alive. Because social anxiety can sometimes be more of a breaking down rather than building something up because idk bout you but for me it was underneath this fear “tension barrier” I call it I could sense my own social effortless flow aka authenticity but couldn’t access it like there was a “block” the self love part hm j guess love is opposite of fear so without fear you’d just be natural and authentic so likable usually yea

I have no clue about the pineal gland I haven’t read about it. Anything about it connected to this? Some of it has. Yet with anything that comes true I just keep visualizing all that hasn’t. It’s an impulse not a conscious decision, which is actually when it works the best in my experience. What I have found is that it’s not so much about the contents of the visualization but it’s what it does immediately to your state and your energy (a very strong “uplift” ) that is the primary benefit of it. And by engaging in it more and more, this positive change in your state goes from being just a temporary effect to permanently changing your default state. And here I mean on an energy level, physical health level, emotional level mental clarity, etc. At least for me. A couple of days ago I accidentally stumbled across this video talking about how visualization has effects down on the genetic level. Very interesting and supports my direct experience of it. Essentially what I’m getting from all of this is that it puts you in a state that is more conducive to getting what you want, so that’s one aspect of the law of attraction part of it I’m guessing https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvNn2loNwAz/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Yes! You hit the nail with this one! Totally how I would reason myself ❤️

All I know from direct experience is that visualization especially to fitting music for some reason is extremely powerful it’s like a cleanse of the whole system

Cheetah for me too

Mm it can be hard to tell the difference sometimes because as the mind is less “dense” (which psychedelics seem to do idk tho haven’t tried) it seems more subtle things can be experienced more strongly but it’s actually just that there is less overall noise and more openness if its able to connect to your sober experience then I guess it’s helpful otherwise it’s just temporary effect. But ultimately for me I kinda saw how this social anxiety was so independent that even the attachment to something as “common sense” as the idea that you need to push yourself into social situation to overcome it, is actually just creating friction within you and contributing to maintaining this “barrier” .

I see!

Why do you believe that is? Because I feel the same