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So what is it? It's a recognition. “Enlightenment is but a recognition, not a change at all” (W-188.1:4). Yeh so my understanding that the message of ACIM, Jim, and Advaita Vedanta is the same just keeps strengthening.

I didn't know you know this much haha, nice!

Uu well said! The “ I am” isn’t reaaally a seperate self, but non-duality appearing as a seeming duality.

@Princess Arabia hi Princess! How are you?

Yeh those states can still happen, it’s just not something the seperate self can seek for and attain. The seeking would be the covering up of them if anything.

Personally (haha), the biggest misconception that I had was that enlightenment would be ultra magical and glorious, like those states on psychedelics. Wah wah, that's just a fantasy of the separate self. And it did cause a lot of misery, a lot of seeking to somehow "lock in" those states. I remember thinking pleeease, I would do anything to be in those glorious states; I need it! So much seeking energy, haha. The non-seeking state is actually pretty pleasant, not glorious or anything, just free and pleasant.

Oh yeah, there's definitely a change in behavior after non-dual realization. I haven't even seen people say otherwise; Jim, Lisa, and Suzzane say that things do change.

Yeah, I see it the same. When the seeking energy stops or becomes minimized, you're just no longer an annoying guy to be around haha. I think that's when someone becomes genuinely attractive. Seeking energy is like a human repellant haha I see Lisa, Suzzane and Jim demonstrating such pleasant, non-seeking energy.

It just seems like a habitual pattern, the remnants of the seeker coming up and dissolving

Lisa said that one time she was invited to speak at an event, and she just felt like cursing the whole time, so for like half an hour or so, she was sitting on the stage and just saying: shit, cu**, asshole, motherfucker, and so on. Hahaha love that

At least in me right now, it feels like both. There's a realization that this is just it; there's nothing more to attain - enlightenment is here and now, but there are still old seeking patterns in the psyche that have to fizzle out. Not enlightenment-related seeking patterns, but more worldly ones. Seeking for a partner or seeking enlightenment is the same, just seeking energy appearing and contracting into an individual, separate entity. I heard Lisa Cairns talk about seeking patterns coming up for many years after the shift into non-duality. It feels like that's how it will go down here as well. There's just no one obstructing those from coming up - the seeking energy came up, and that's just what's happening; that's still non-duality appearing as seeking energy.

I'm not even sure if anything has to change—it's already a nondual experience of everything; there was just a belief that something else was happening, and that caused seeking energy to appear. When it's seen that nothing has to change and this is already it, then that's already a nondual experience of everything, as it always was, even the seeker was nonduality appearing as separation, because it can, since it's completely free to be anything.

Hm, so with this realisation the seeking should naturally relax, perhaps gradually. Not because it’s done by you, just because it’s seen that there is no one doing and nothing to do, this is it, nothing to get or attain or understand in the future

NON DUALISM turns the way one normally thinks of enlightenment and spirituality on its head. Non Duality is a revolution. The simplicity of the message is absolutely undeniable. It reveals, that the search for enlightenment is in itself the continuation and confirmation of the separation. - Jim Newman boom haha