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I wonder what would happen if a either partner (or both) used 5meo in the middle of having sex?

@Zane It's more a wanting to return to what is at at the core of being. Life can be like a big wheel that goes round and round endlessly. For me meditation is a way to connect to that stillness that resides at the center of it all. The still axle that the wheel moves around.

@bobbyward I've heard the same a couple places too. I guess it opens a door in perception that becomes more easily accessible after an experience with 5meo? Here is what I wonder though, if so what does that special space feel like that you now return to? In a sentence how would you describe it? JA finger pointing in that direction would be greatly appreciated. I would love to access that space too and possibly without using 5meo. Or at least a good direction to head in and maybe even a glimpse of it. I think people like you and others that have experienced that door opening could be like a beacon to show others the way. Many thanks.

@Azrael wow, very cool! I can feel the space your talking about. Unmasking our original face.

@John Flores Or the Temples at Khajuraho..

@outlandish Thanks. That was one of the first things I read on spirituality and it always stuck with me. It opened that first door to something much bigger than my mind could ever imagine. I read it again every so often just to recharge my spiritual batteries.

@Azrael Would you say it was like God that was seeing through your eyes and not "you" per se? And also to ask, you were visually aware of the room/reality during all this? It sounds to me like you had a super deep realization into the true nature of reality. Seeing through the magicians trick, so to speak. Does that sum it up? If so maybe you could expand on that a little.

@BeginnerActualizer No it doesn't need to be formal at all. What is most important is the subject of your contemplation. Here is a great example of Allen Watts's thoughts after much contemplation.https://justpaste.it/TheArtOfContemplation

I guess that picture I had presented conjured up dark thoughts of a bottomless pit. I really don't know where that idea came from. But it was identical to what you describe. Minus the light but what does that matter. As the Tao Te Ching says "pregnant with all possibilities".

@Leo Gura Does 5meo come in a patch yet?

From the perspective of using 5meo, what if any difference is there between "infinity/God" and what is "nothingness/the void"?

Reality has infinite possibilities so if you change physical reality through cause and effect, so what? It has no bearing over anything because all possibilities already exist. All you would be doing is acting them out in physical form one after another into infinity through various choices. But if that's your thing, go for it. The worlds your oyster.

@Darrick There is another way to look at this too. What you are experiencing now is only one version of the infinite you as a creator. Every choice you make creates a different version of this universe as you move through time and space. Think about it. At an extreme, you could do a complete 180 on the reality you live in now and change everything in the blink of an eye. And in doing so create a completely new version of this universe because you have changed it's "story". Or you could choose to stay within the safe confines of the familiar framework of the universe you created now and maybe change it slightly moment to moment, as most do. Totally your choice. Here is where it gets heavy. haha It really doesn't matter much because in the big picture all versions of reality are just a dream. So you can dream/create any version you choose from infinite possibilities. You are the creator existing as mind and body within the dreamscape of time and space.

@Visionary It sounds like David Icke had quite a long conversation with the universe/consciousness. "Anything that vibrates is illusion" He also says he was "taken away to another place" ( as a word description only). That too relates to the experience I had b-c it felt as if I had entered another dimension or something. Yea, the shiny black. Exactly! Everybody must experience the same basic thing but in different ways and no one way is any more (or less) valid than another. Some could experience infinity as colorful streaming lights. and someone else experience infinity as a shiny blackness that has no color to it. Thanks for posting that! It really helped me a lot! And I can't say for sure, but I'm thinking now that was the void that appeared in consciousness the other day during meditation and not just my mind playing tricks on me.

I know to the mind's eye this picture looks bleak, But it wasn't that way at all. Like I said it felt as if it was the source of everything. It felt like home. I remember when I experienced this void or nothingness that all questions fell away. It was if it knew everything and everything was taken care of. It was the most blissful thing I ever experienced. It was communicating with me without saying a word. What was it saying to me? "Don't worry, I got this" "I always have and always will"

@Visionary Yea, that's what I was thinking too, but I'm not sure. And I have experienced something that could be considered "the void" before on two occasions. It was empty, timeless and infinite. But it had a quality to it that is indescribable in words and it seemed to be the source of all things.. But since this 5meo experience of infinity and God came along that leo talks about, where does the void fit in? I posted a picture once of what I thought infinity looked like (from my direct experience) and Leo shot that right down saying that no way is infinity like that and it was full of colors, and infinite and anything but empty and it was god. So what's the truth? I'll post that picture of what I experienced as "the infinite void". It's called the "shiny black nothingness" and that describes it perfectly.

@Visionary Looks like that's about all you can really do. Yesterday while meditating I was in the usual emptiness of mind and everything was cool. Than suddenly it was like a black hole appeared in front of me within that emptiness. It was so dark and empty I can't even say it had a color to it. Even black doesn't describe it. Really weird! But that's what snapped me out of a nice deep mellow meditation. Now I don't know if that's just my mind playing games with me or something else? Whatever it was it startled the shit out of me. Hopefully I'll be ready next time and it won't catch me off guard. If it happens again I'm just going to let go and fall through it.

@Visionary It sounds like you know exactly what I'm talking about. I was about to experience this again yesterday and I backed off. It was right in front of me and I guess my subconscious refused to let me go after the other experience. Or should I say the non-experience of not existing. I didn't see it as negative thing at the time. I didn't even know I was completely gone until I returned. But something in me now breaks that before it happens, if it knows it's coming.

@Visionary Yes, it is an experience of the observer, observing an empty mind. Which in itself is a beautiful thing. But it can go deeper than that. When it does, even the observer is gone. There is no experience to be had at that point. No-one remains to experience anything.

@username I was listening to an Om video w/headphones/ eyes closed and placed awareness on the emptiness between thoughts. I think the direct focus on emptiness between the thoughts did it. That was something added to the practice just today so it's to early to really tell yet. And I could do the same practice 100 times and it may not happen again. It really is a hit or miss thing like the universe suddenly opens up to you. These precious opportunities only present themselves every so often so don't go thinking you can control it. Your chance to move beyond yourself will come. No doubt about it. Be ready to let go when it does!

@John Flores You are 100% correct. I was just reminded of this in meditation in a huge way. A porthole of sorts to the infinite opened up within awareness and I totally choked. It was absolute nothingness. It looked like darkness within darkness from my ego's perspective. Man was that empty! The mind totally refuses to accept that level of emptiness. And I just got a glimpse from the outside and that shocked me instantly back into myself and it was gone in the blink of an eye. I see one thing clearly now. Anybody who can willingly let go of the ego and voluntarily step over that threshold to face that level of emptiness that awaits deserves to be called enlightened. People could read and study enlightenment and learn all there is to know about it and talk about it all they want, but when it really comes down to getting there it's all about faith in something way bigger than you. Only total surrender of self and nothing else will help you than. In the face of that your totally on your own. Either you surrender everything that is you or the journey ends right there and you remain as you are. So bottom line, when infinity presented itself, I totally choked by holding on to myself in the face of becoming nothing, and therefore everything. I guess I wasn't ready for that!

@username Maybe this is actually your brightest moments.

@Leo Gura You may have just described Absolute Truth to a T. There is none. No right, no wrong, no this, no that. The perfection of absolute emptiness makes the search for any truth seem like being lost in a self imposed wilderness. @username You see, this so called search for truth is named that for a very good reason. It gives the ego something to do until enlightenment happens. Can you find bliss in maybe never knowing what is Absolute Truth? That there may be none outside of mind? Not so easy is it.