Jannes

Integrated some shadow manliness: Last friday I was in a bar with like 5 female friends from theatre. It was just about hanging out. Two overweight guys in their late 40s who were kinda drunk sat next to us and started talking. We were kind of annoyed by them but we didn’t confront them. Then this one guy started to touch one of the girls at the shoulder who I sat parallel to and shortly after that proceeded to pull her to him first with her opposite shoulder and then with her neck. It was quite obvious that she wasn’t happy about it but also she didn’t make an effort to really show it. I don’t know when the last time was when I defended someone. Mostly because I couldn’t because I was a victim myself. So there were no paths and no reflexes that I could access to manage the situation with experience. I starred in the girls eyes for a good 5 seconds. I kind of wanted a signal like "Should I help you? Please show me with your eyes if I should help you.“ I couldn’t really make out anything. If anything she looked kind of intrigued by my intense stare. But from earlier experiences I knew that you can’t rely on eye contact or at least I wasn’t good enough at detecting the message so I made a rational decision. I said calmly with decent strength in my voice, eye contact and decent loudness „There is no problem with you sitting here and talking to us but it’s not okay to become physical.“ Luckily his friend was pretty understanding defending the situation in our favor. The guy confronted me and basically wanted to provoke me so he asked something like: „What is the problem with me being here“. I answered calmy „Your friend explained that pretty well to you.“ All the girls had the courage now to start to speak up. The guy confronted me again basically saying that he wants to fight me but the girls deascelated the situation pretty well. The girl that was sitting next to me at the outside said that she was to scared to go to the bartender and asked me if I can go and I jumped off immediately, got him there and he pulled the two guys away from our desk. All the girls said they were shaking in fear and thanked me for jumping in. At no point did I feel any fear which I found interesting. It was more that I calculated constantly how I could manage the situation if it actually got to a fight. The next day I had a few shakes. I am almost grateful that this situation happened because it helped me build a first building block for my "defender“ aspect of my personality which I can’t really build in my everyday safe life.

Yes and I would add "instant, panic“ to it. It doesn’t really have a buildup, at least for me. But it doesn’t have to be extremely high. I can have moderate phobia for spiders which is obsessive, instant, panic.

There is phobia and there is fear. Phobia is a special kind of fear. I fear a lion for obvious reasons but I don’t have phobia. Having a strong phobia can just be annoying. If you also do psychedelics phobia can potentially be a danger. I got confronted with inner images of spiders and crabs quite frequently on psychedelics because it seems like that phobia wants to be transcended.

If you could legally buy the spores around the globe that would give the possibility for many people to try a strong substance.

There are degrees of acceptance. ??

The instant humbleness ?? Cool that you take it with a sense of humor though ??

The closest thing to yellow is green. So if you go there you might find people who have already evolved out of it a bit and have some yellow values. I recently started doing theatre and this place is super stage green dominant but I see a bit of stage yellow also, especially this one leadership guy here comes to mind. Also I don’t mind that this place is stage green dominant because there is a lot of stage green for me to integrate and it’s definetly healthier for my mind then stage orange.

Chad, Gigachad, Alpha Male, Sigma Male, … all the same. It’s the pictured masculine men who gets bitches. I think with old gender roles dissolving people renew old identities. Might be a way to preserve values that were loosing importance, might be an ego backlash, might be a mix out of these two. I feel like most people cringe nowadays when they hear alpha male because people took it to seriously. And gigachad is already a meme. Sure there are insecure guy NPCs who will take literally everything serious.

Not to ass crawl but yes!

Would you force them to do 5meo dmt with you to see if they are worthy to be your daughters lover ? ?

@Nilsi I actually turned from veganism to vegetarianism because I figured that the amount of social and personal stress I put on myself with the vegan diet would drain me from energy that could flow into developing myself which would reduce the amount of value I could give to the world and therefore in the bigger picture it’s better to be vegetarian then vegan for me. So I broke out of that ideology with a holistic approach.

If you are truly an exception then I would agree with you that it is ethical for you to eat meat. But there are so many different ways to eat plant based.. Are you sure you checked all the boxes (vitamins, macros, ..) ? Lol I actually agree with you. My point is that yes there are tons of ways to improve the environement. But some ways have larger effect then others.. Eating plant based has one of the largest effects. I am not discrediting other ways that improve the environement nor am I saying that just because you are vegan that you are automatically have a green thumb. Although it probably does help a good amount.

That’s true the point that many vegans make though is that veganism has compared to other things an incredible good effort to reward ratio. So in that sense if you care about the environement and suffering and you aren’t vegan or vegetarian then you don’t even do the basics and can’t be taken seriously. But your critique that many vegans get stuck there and become ignorant to any problems beyond that is definitely valid.

Your body needs vitamins and minerals, proteins, fats, fiber and carbs. So when you supplement, eat pretty good with plenty of vegetable and fruits and you get all your nutrition you are healthy (from a diet standpoint) But you don’t need to go 100% to check the boxes. When you have a bit of junk here and there but eat mostly clean you still get enough nutrients. Junk food doesn’t help you be healthier because it’s mostly empty calories but it also doesn’t hurt you (or at least very little) What does hurt you is when you stress yourself out to be 100% healthy. When all your friends get ice cream and you are the only one who doesn’t eat ice cream because it has sugar in it. That’s unhealthy. You feel bad because you don’t belong to the group. You feel bad because you can’t enjoy what all the other people enjoy. And you are stressed because you have to figure out a plan to get healthy food for yourself. Stress is unhealthy and all that stress combined is more unhealthy then the ice cream itself. Trying to be 100% ”clean“ is stage green being super emotional and a bit delusional. The stage yellow diet is 80% clean/20% junk! ?

I was humming constantly when I was a child. I was very happy and could often humm myself to a good place. I am pretty sad that I lost that ability. But I was also a big dreamer and because I often couldn’t face "real“ problems head on because I was unaware of my surroundings I also had a lot to compensate.

Okay agreed. I have very little knowledge about this topic. I think I saw something like an advertisement once about Pedophilia. It basically said "It’s okay to love children, it’s not okay to act it out. Go get help if you need to.“ I think that is the right message. Not "If you love children you are basically the lowest creature in society.“ The pedophiles hearing this will never get help because they will be to ashamed of themself. Demonization makes everything worse.

I agree but also in that sense even child molestor act out of love. And I think there can be a thin line between pedophile and child molestor. That’s I think the right way of thinking about it. If its bad for the children in any way that has to have priority.

People on the forum said he isn’t. Why "“? What would be wrong with Leo being gay ?

Of course of course. I am just saying that it’s hard for my mind to not jump to conclusion based on the relative or absolute perspective. @Leo Gura Do you think we could evolve to a society where healthy Pedophilia is accepted or is the risk for rape to high? Right now I feel like it’s better that Pedophilia is demonized.

It is pretty hard for my mind to really hold the absolute perspective that pedophiles just act out of love and the relative perspective that pedophiles should be restricted and if they go to far be thrown into prison simultaneously.

@lxlichael You have clearly analyzed JP a lot more then me and I find it hard to follow your thoughts which are very fast and go into much abstraction I think. Maybe I am just not a worthy contestor in a debate about him but here are my thoughts anyway. First of all I am not Pro JP. In the recent months especially the intellectual arrogance and his video about his twitter ban took most of my liking from him away. But that doesn’t discredit many of his psychological insights that he manages to make understandable to almost anyone. Yes much of what he is saying is minted with such heaviness because he sees life through the lense of unavoidable suffering but I still think despite that many of his psychological insights are very valuable nonetheless. Also many of his debates about feminism for example deepens the whole topic and helps it evolve. So when I can defend PARTS of him I will because I think they are of great value to society. His explanations make complete sense to me. But I am pretty agreeable and unagressive by nature so I see how other people might interpret it differently. I see it like that. We are monsters by default. We can either surpress the monster which doesn’t really work because we will unconsciously act out or monster, or we will immensely suffer when we don’t get what we want from lack of monster integration which will lead to other peoples suffering, or we might explode at the worst possible time and cause total destruction. My mom is like that lol. She doesn’t allow herself to express anger and so she builds up all of this anger inside of her which then will explode in a super wrong moment. So this alone doesn’t make civilized (monster suppressing) people good/harmless. But also being weak and not having disciplined your monster can be dangerous. Just think of nazi Germany for example. Tons of civilized people who wouldn’t dare to stand up because they were weak. I thought a lot about to which extend we should actively surpress our monster in society and haven’t come up with a good answer yet.

Can you forgive them? Your own hurt will hit innocent people otherwise. Of course that seems unfair from a male perspective. But they have many other problems that you don’t have as a male. First they aren’t even really "allowed“ to indulge in their sexual desire freely because they will loose value that way. The time span in which they have the attention from all the guys is a lot shorter then the time a guy has to date beautiful women. And women generally have it harder to keep a relationship.

Leo you have very little videos that are made for beginners when it comes to spirituality. The first video I ever watched from you was the „no bullshit guide to meditation“ and then I got hooked by the clearness in which you explained things and I watched another video a year later or so. But I think I am more of an exception, because either people already know about spirituality and deepen their understanding through your videos or they click away from a 2 hour video that explains just one facet in great detail. Also because you have such a deep and holistic understanding of spirituality I think you could make a really concise video about spirituality so newbies can get a general idea of spirituality in a decent amount of time. Also a lot of your followers (me included) might want to share your spiritual content to non spiritual friends but the problem is that there isn’t something non heavy or starter friendly to share really. Questions that should be covered: 1) Why spirituality is real and not just wishful thinking 2) What actual spirituality looks like 3) What you can gain from spirituality but also what the dangers are 4) How to get started (A simple guide on how to reach the first awakenings to verify for yourself that spirituality is real and to get you hooked) 5) „If you want to go deeper into this work I have hundreds of videos that cover spiritual topics in depth“

You need to get out of your introvert mindset and socialize more. Preferably in groups with lots of women. You also might want to look into microdosing. It definetly helps me and others with social anxiety.

I would be careful when you try to enter his psyche. In the end you cant. Only Jordan Peterson has access to his own thoughts. All of this fame, expectations, hate, chronic sickness.. it all eats up your psyche. Really hard to stay grounded in his position I think. I definitely also see intellectual arrogance and a preacher ego in him. Also JP likes to use symbolic figures to explain things. That could also be an explanation for the word monster.